Porsche 911 - 997.1
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ooid said:
MrJuice said:
What constitutes a warm engine? I use engine oil needle safely above 60 as a marker for 'okay to drive hard now'
Is that reasonable or should I wait longer?
Oil temperature, 80-90 degree is the optimum value I think?Is that reasonable or should I wait longer?
90deg is optimal as this means the entire oil system is warmed through properly
I think m96/m97 engines can easily go up to 100k without any engine issue, if they had a proper break-in period and driven most of the time. Any sports/performance car over 10 years old or at least 100k would need some serious work anyway?
I think the issue was here, 997.1 brand new owners back in time, if they had engine rebuilt needed prematurely and somehow did not extend their warranties, that was a huge slap in the face considering the money they have paid for the car already. For the current prices, I do not think it's a high risk.
There are also currently a few bore scoring issues with 997 gen2 as well, been posted on 911ukforum;
https://www.facebook.com/sid.malik.374/media_set?s...
I think the issue was here, 997.1 brand new owners back in time, if they had engine rebuilt needed prematurely and somehow did not extend their warranties, that was a huge slap in the face considering the money they have paid for the car already. For the current prices, I do not think it's a high risk.
There are also currently a few bore scoring issues with 997 gen2 as well, been posted on 911ukforum;
https://www.facebook.com/sid.malik.374/media_set?s...
I bought my 2008 (last of the gen 1's) 2 years ago with 56k miles. I've never bothered with warranty.
When doing research I found the following;
- Earlier cars (2005-2006) are much more likely to have problems
- Cars that have done over 50k miles are much less likely to have problems (because issues would usually develop before the 50k mark).
Obviously that is just my opinion but it's shared by others too. There are exceptions to every rule but more than likely if you follow the above then you would be ok.
PS - This car for under £25k is a bargain. Several of my mates have fast hot hatches such as the M135i which cost more than my 911 (in finance and/or depreciation). The 911 compared to most other cars for £25-30k wins hands down.
When doing research I found the following;
- Earlier cars (2005-2006) are much more likely to have problems
- Cars that have done over 50k miles are much less likely to have problems (because issues would usually develop before the 50k mark).
Obviously that is just my opinion but it's shared by others too. There are exceptions to every rule but more than likely if you follow the above then you would be ok.
PS - This car for under £25k is a bargain. Several of my mates have fast hot hatches such as the M135i which cost more than my 911 (in finance and/or depreciation). The 911 compared to most other cars for £25-30k wins hands down.
Edited by JapanRed on Thursday 8th December 19:08
Sorry for bringing this back up!
Still toying with the idea of a porsche, I nearly had my name down on an S5 lease deal this week but it has expired now unfortunately.
I have been looking at the 997's for a while now and although there is horror stories I have seen a couple with a premium warranty included, I would of course make sure the common problems were covered. Hartech models seem to fetch a bit more for obvious reasons.
Anyway putting a bit of money down and getting some finance would mean its quite a bit cheaper then the S5 per month and at least with the 997 I probably wont loose a lot of money on it (I hope not anyway!)
I have also come across this which has caught my eye: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-PORSCHE-911-CARRERA...
What are people thoughts on the 996 apposed to a 997. Personally I prefer the 997 in general but love the 996 C4S models where it has the reflector across the boot does it for me.
How are these in terms of reliability? I have seen pricing rise on these over the last few years so getting one now is tempting before they carry on creeping up.
Still toying with the idea of a porsche, I nearly had my name down on an S5 lease deal this week but it has expired now unfortunately.
I have been looking at the 997's for a while now and although there is horror stories I have seen a couple with a premium warranty included, I would of course make sure the common problems were covered. Hartech models seem to fetch a bit more for obvious reasons.
Anyway putting a bit of money down and getting some finance would mean its quite a bit cheaper then the S5 per month and at least with the 997 I probably wont loose a lot of money on it (I hope not anyway!)
I have also come across this which has caught my eye: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-PORSCHE-911-CARRERA...
What are people thoughts on the 996 apposed to a 997. Personally I prefer the 997 in general but love the 996 C4S models where it has the reflector across the boot does it for me.
How are these in terms of reliability? I have seen pricing rise on these over the last few years so getting one now is tempting before they carry on creeping up.
Thanks for the replies everyone, this is getting more tempting!!
Having spent another evening browsing the classifieds I came across this: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Lovely looking motor and with the work done to it seems a reasonable buy, if it was a couple of months down the line I would be making the trip to go and see that (450 mile round journey).
To be honest I am swaying towards a C4S after looking in to it, I can just about get a good condition C4S with reasonable miles where as the 997 I would be pushing it budget wise to get a good one.
as mentioned the C4S seem to be rising in price so my logic is get one now whilst I can. If I can pick up a good one I wont be using it as a daily and will try to keep the mileage reasonable each year & properly maintain it.
Interior wise the 997 appears better as you would expect with it being a newer car but thats not a massive concern for me, I will be spending majority of my time in the company Transit custom so anything is a upgrade lol.
Having spent another evening browsing the classifieds I came across this: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Lovely looking motor and with the work done to it seems a reasonable buy, if it was a couple of months down the line I would be making the trip to go and see that (450 mile round journey).
To be honest I am swaying towards a C4S after looking in to it, I can just about get a good condition C4S with reasonable miles where as the 997 I would be pushing it budget wise to get a good one.
as mentioned the C4S seem to be rising in price so my logic is get one now whilst I can. If I can pick up a good one I wont be using it as a daily and will try to keep the mileage reasonable each year & properly maintain it.
Interior wise the 997 appears better as you would expect with it being a newer car but thats not a massive concern for me, I will be spending majority of my time in the company Transit custom so anything is a upgrade lol.
JCKST1 said:
Interior wise the 997 appears better as you would expect with it being a newer car but thats not a massive concern for me, I will be spending majority of my time in the company Transit custom so anything is a upgrade lol.
Personally, I find the 996 interior old enough to be pleasantly 'classic'. They are well screwed together too.That car looks very handsome. No idea on prices or what that trader is like, but in any event the one bit of perennial advice is to get a PPI by an expert.
That would be the plan, call Hartech and confirm what has been done then get a full inspection on the car.
Hoping it is still available in a few weeks however it seems reasonably priced so it probably will be sold by then!
Quick question a lot of the C4S I look at have the electric sliding sun roof, did this come standard on them or was it just a popular upgrade?
Hoping it is still available in a few weeks however it seems reasonably priced so it probably will be sold by then!
Quick question a lot of the C4S I look at have the electric sliding sun roof, did this come standard on them or was it just a popular upgrade?
Adam B said:
JCKST1 said:
Quick question a lot of the C4S I look at have the electric sliding sun roof, did this come standard on them or was it just a popular upgrade?
cost option - about £700-800Shaoxter said:
They are also prone to rattling and add weight so unless you really want one I'd avoid it! I had one on mine, only used it a handful of times.
Mine odes rattle a bit TBF, but on certain days I quite like having it ajar, but seldom fully open. I'm guessing they reduce headroom slightly too? A bit of an issue getting into my car wearing a crash helmet - I can do it, but have the seat reclined a tad more than is absolutely optimum IMHO.JCKST1 said:
Based on the car above which has had a 9k Hartech rebuild is there anything else on the 996 which is a common fault?
That is the only concern I would have had on a n/a 996/997, looks a good buy given Hartech work and new clutch / tyres (check all paperwork for this stuff of course)the other weak point is the 3 front rads, the are vulnerable to stone chips and expensive to replace
Digga said:
Mine odes rattle a bit TBF, but on certain days I quite like having it ajar, but seldom fully open. I'm guessing they reduce headroom slightly too? A bit of an issue getting into my car wearing a crash helmet - I can do it, but have the seat reclined a tad more than is absolutely optimum IMHO.
You also have to remember that if you have the sunroof open, you also have to wind a window down a bit otherwise you get bad buffetting 
Not a direct comparison but my non-sunroof 997 has way more headroom than my sunroof 996 (partly because I think the seats go lower), although at 5'11 I had no problems in the 996 with a crash helmet.
Anyway I certainly wouldn't let a sunroof put you off a car, much more important stuff to be looking at!
p.s. I also really like the 996 interior too and think they will date well, prefer it in some ways to the 997 actually.
Shaoxter said:
I also really like the 996 interior too and think they will date well, prefer it in some ways to the 997 actually.
I've had a nice, plain looking (to fit in with dash) double-din DAB/NAV Kenwood head unit installed and it is brilliant and, for me, brings as much 'modernity' as I need.
That double din looks quite nice in there actually and as you say modernises it a bit, coming from a 2015 E250 coupe it will have a lot less luxuries.
This also caught my eye: http://www.essexprestigeautos.co.uk/used-cars/pors...
Lower mileage which is a bonus but it appears the other one has had a lot more work done which should/could save me money in the long run.
This also caught my eye: http://www.essexprestigeautos.co.uk/used-cars/pors...
Lower mileage which is a bonus but it appears the other one has had a lot more work done which should/could save me money in the long run.
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