Porsche 911 - 997.1
Discussion
harleywilma said:
13m said:
The 997.1 is a good car. It just needs Porsche warranty.
I think hartech like them also, as they have built up a fantastic business replacing the chocolate innards that porsche used to take revenge on the west...I bought a lovely 997C4S 2006 manual and guards red 59000 miles . Looked and was mint I even paid for a warranty through warranty direct for piece of mind.
I had the car 4 weeks and noticed a large oil consumption. Sad to say yes bore scoring. The warranty company washed there hands of it as this was an existing fault. I would pay for a bore scope before buying one. Only my opinion.
I had the car 4 weeks and noticed a large oil consumption. Sad to say yes bore scoring. The warranty company washed there hands of it as this was an existing fault. I would pay for a bore scope before buying one. Only my opinion.
Tuscanny said:
I bought a lovely 997C4S 2006 manual and guards red 59000 miles . Looked and was mint I even paid for a warranty through warranty direct for piece of mind.
I had the car 4 weeks and noticed a large oil consumption. Sad to say yes bore scoring. The warranty company washed there hands of it as this was an existing fault. I would pay for a bore scope before buying one. Only my opinion.
Which is why I suggest that if you have a 7.1 you need Porsche warranty. If they warranty it they repair it.I had the car 4 weeks and noticed a large oil consumption. Sad to say yes bore scoring. The warranty company washed there hands of it as this was an existing fault. I would pay for a bore scope before buying one. Only my opinion.
13m said:
Which is why I suggest that if you have a 7.1 you need Porsche warranty. If they warranty it they repair it.
It will have bore scoring they all do to some extent as are made with inferior materials.Save your money and buy a gen 2.Porsche realised what a terrible engine they made and sorted the gen 2 with better components.Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Guess what?
Many of us can't just click fingers and 'buy a Gen 2' big step up in price I recall when buying mine.
And do ya think if we could, we would have from day One?
Quite. Plus the 7.1 feels like a different car from the 7.2. I have had both and like them for different reasons.Many of us can't just click fingers and 'buy a Gen 2' big step up in price I recall when buying mine.
And do ya think if we could, we would have from day One?
Thanks for the feedback everyone. By the sounds of it unless I can find one with Porsche warranty or Hartech re-build it might be worth avoiding as problems seem inevitable?
I would love a gen 2 997 but prices shoot up about 10k!
Still on the fence with this, I may see whats about after Xmas and reassess at the time.
Thanks again
I would love a gen 2 997 but prices shoot up about 10k!
Still on the fence with this, I may see whats about after Xmas and reassess at the time.
Thanks again
Ive posted this before but here you go for gen 2 price difference proof;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv53RbvgfGc
I'm not saying 997.1 is completely bad, but clearly there is a massive upgrade on gen2 on the engine. It's a much more confident design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv53RbvgfGc
I'm not saying 997.1 is completely bad, but clearly there is a massive upgrade on gen2 on the engine. It's a much more confident design.
Edited by ooid on Wednesday 30th November 10:55
I get the frustration. But what other super car maker offers a warranty out to 15 years and over 125,000 miles in the first place, then at such a comparatively low price, and with such extensive coverage?
Think of it as a subsidised price so that you end up spending more money at Porsche, not 'What the hell has my Bluetooth installation got to do with my engine blowing up'
Moreover, lots of OPC's turn a blind eye to lots of mods when making claims (not that you should rely on that goodwill, but it's a fact)
Think of it as a subsidised price so that you end up spending more money at Porsche, not 'What the hell has my Bluetooth installation got to do with my engine blowing up'
Moreover, lots of OPC's turn a blind eye to lots of mods when making claims (not that you should rely on that goodwill, but it's a fact)
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
down side with the OPC warranty though - and right pisser it is too - if your engine borks and you've put a bluetooth phone kit in the car, or non standard wheels, or not used a Porsche Sponge to wash the car...... they can LOL at you.
Out of Order IMHO.
not sure about the phone kit but they already mentioned some serious warning about the wheels on user's manual.Out of Order IMHO.
I do have a feeling, the engineers over in Stuttgart were perhaps well aware of the potential issues and they were just covering their back? who knows
Mousem40 said:
Moreover, lots of OPC's turn a blind eye to lots of mods when making claims (not that you should rely on that goodwill, but it's a fact)
That's my experience.I had a faulty third-party tracker on my car unbeknownst to me, it was causing an electrical fault that took ages to find. Not only did Porsche not bounce my warranty they paid all but £200 of my bill for the electrical work.
The 997.1 issue is actually quite simple.
If you are buying one ideally make sure that you are in a position to either:
1. Self-insure - Ideal if you are going to hang on to the car for more than a couple of years. Not ideal if you can't afford it.
2. Get a warranty - expensive as you will pay for the cost of the rebuild in a relatively short period of time and will most likely not need it.
3. Or buy one that has already had the Nikasil liners and general work done (post 2006 IMS etc). There are these cars around and they don't command much of a premium, yet. So you would be paying a little more for a car that has been looked after instead of a whole lot more for a Gen2 car.
I personally love certain characteristics about the Gen1 car. The sound is great, it feels really raw. I was in a position to trade mine in for a Gen2 a couple of years ago. I tried one and really didn't feel it was worth the price difference. Not to say that the Gen2 car is bad. They are both great but for the cost of a bullet proof gen1 car vs a standard gen2, for me the choice is obvious.
If you are buying one ideally make sure that you are in a position to either:
1. Self-insure - Ideal if you are going to hang on to the car for more than a couple of years. Not ideal if you can't afford it.
2. Get a warranty - expensive as you will pay for the cost of the rebuild in a relatively short period of time and will most likely not need it.
3. Or buy one that has already had the Nikasil liners and general work done (post 2006 IMS etc). There are these cars around and they don't command much of a premium, yet. So you would be paying a little more for a car that has been looked after instead of a whole lot more for a Gen2 car.
I personally love certain characteristics about the Gen1 car. The sound is great, it feels really raw. I was in a position to trade mine in for a Gen2 a couple of years ago. I tried one and really didn't feel it was worth the price difference. Not to say that the Gen2 car is bad. They are both great but for the cost of a bullet proof gen1 car vs a standard gen2, for me the choice is obvious.
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
OP - just back from a fast drive back from a local town / friends, to home. Only a short 20 mins drive, but a mix of Dual carriageway, Country roads and a like.
If a 997.1 is the only way you are going to get to sample the mixed breadth of ability of a 911.
Do it.
They are f
king great, capable, placeable, speedy enough and even on scabby northern roads, the 4wd with winters just makes it so solid and sure footed. So much I feel the need to express this to you !
^ThisIf a 997.1 is the only way you are going to get to sample the mixed breadth of ability of a 911.
Do it.
They are f
king great, capable, placeable, speedy enough and even on scabby northern roads, the 4wd with winters just makes it so solid and sure footed. So much I feel the need to express this to you !While I'm not an expert, I'd stake a fair bit on 997s having engine issues because of how they're driven - or not driven.
Make sure the oil warms up properly before extending beyond 4k rpm, don't lug it (using higher gears in town or flooring it at 1500rpm in 5th is death) don't use for short journeys, and make sure it gets a proper spanking when conditions permit.
Even in the height of summer the engine oil takes nearly 10 minutes to come up to temperature and at this time of year it's closer to 20, so a trip of 5 - 10 miles or less then shutting off is just going to bugger the oil up which helps provoke issues (And gunk up the filler cap - watch for that)
People forget that oil doesn't just lubricate, it's the primary cooling system for any engine and has to handle a tremendous amount of abuse from the internals.
Don't get me wrong, a 997 can be used everyday as long as it's treated right. It's a Sports Car after all, not a shopping trolley.
To this end I'd say anyone not getting their oil changed every year regardless of mileage needs a slap. It's the lifeblood of the engine which is why mine gets a fresh transfusion with every yearly MOT. When you consider the cost of oil vs the cost of engine repair, it's a no-brainer.
ooid said:
not sure about the phone kit but they already mentioned some serious warning about the wheels on user's manual.
I do have a feeling, the engineers over in Stuttgart were perhaps well aware of the potential issues and they were just covering their back? who knows
TBF, oil surge on a non-baffled or non-dry-sump car is neither unheard of nor unique to Porsche. It's fair and sensible advice WRT not fitting slicks.I do have a feeling, the engineers over in Stuttgart were perhaps well aware of the potential issues and they were just covering their back? who knows
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