997 GT3 RS realistic price?

997 GT3 RS realistic price?

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LaurasOtherHalf

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195 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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Assuming we are ignoring the Porsche Green examples that sky rocketed in price some years ago (not sure if this is still the case), does anyone have any experience of what a 997 GT3 RS would be available at these days?

I understand that in the classifieds they are circa £130K (asking) but I'm assuming these are mostly sale or return prices in which the dealer may have around 15-20% + spread on the transaction. That's fair enough, I don't expect them to work for nothing however buying via a trader offers little in the case of a cash purchaser with no trade in or requirement of finance-how much are people actually paying/receiving?

Are there any posters who have relatively recent experience of what is a realistic sale price achievable? If the GT crowd don't frequent PH much these days is there a better place to ask?


CarreraLightweightRacing

2,011 posts

208 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Assuming we are ignoring the Porsche Green examples that sky rocketed in price some years ago (not sure if this is still the case), does anyone have any experience of what a 997 GT3 RS would be available at these days?

I understand that in the classifieds they are circa £130K (asking) but I'm assuming these are mostly sale or return prices in which the dealer may have around 15-20% + spread on the transaction. That's fair enough, I don't expect them to work for nothing however buying via a trader offers little in the case of a cash purchaser with no trade in or requirement of finance-how much are people actually paying/receiving?

Are there any posters who have relatively recent experience of what is a realistic sale price achievable? If the GT crowd don't frequent PH much these days is there a better place to ask?
I think you'll find the asking prices start at £130K up to perhaps £200k. I have looked at selling mine so can give you direct feedback of what the market has done in terms of offers I've had in the last year.

-Nov 2015 was offered €170K, turned it down.
-during 2016 have been offered many PX's including, 996GT3RS swap, MP4-12C +€20K, 997.GT3 + cash, 996GT2 + cash and also €150K about 5 months ago; again I didn't accept any of these offers.

I have spoken to a few dealers recently and my feeling is, if I wanted to sell the car this week at £115-120K the car would go. This is around £10-15K below the asking price of the cheapest car currently advertised.


Porsche911R

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264 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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Look at the 2 jzm low miles cars which sold.

The Orange was up at £137k and low miles.the viper £10k more, Who know what it sold for.
But these were low miles cars.

£130k should get you a 15k miles car IMO.

As always miles is key to price.

LaurasOtherHalf

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Sunday 4th December 2016
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Price would be UK£, car would be used for perhaps 3x Nürburgring trips and 2x Spa track days only per year. Maybe a little more but another car would be used for UK track days so a low mileage garage queen isn't necessary.

That's not to say a track slag is un/acceptable should a good car be available.

What would be unacceptable would be spending £130K on a car that wasn't worth that in real terms. Appreciate that there is always a cost in motoring but if a £30k hit on ownership is to be accepted, a new car with warranty would be preferred in this case.

How much less than £130K are UK owners of typical GT3rs' getting?

Mousem40

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216 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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The JZM orange one was the cheapest orange one I've heard of in the last year or more (that is - a non reshelled/story one). Perhaps the same applies to their green one, and they are not known for taking bids in the balls, so I doubt they went for more than £2k off list (and both of those cars had their prices dropped once or twice each)

Orange and green go for premiums. I know of 2 buyers who are waiting to buy at anything in the £120s. Now is the worst time to sell, wait until March/April and the supply will likely dry out, so perhaps now is the best time to buy. There is no way in hell you'll get only £100k or even £110k back if you wanted to sell it. In fact I'll buy one now for that much at that price and I'm sure there will be a long queue behind me.

Having said that if you're talking 3 ring/spa trips at least that's already almost 5,000 miles if you do nothing else and assuming those trips coincide with one another. That's not necessarily low miles for an RS. A fair bit of the premium for these cars is their collectibility, so miles will disproportionate hurt. Why not buy a 997.1 GT3 and get most of the benefits for less RS premium - unless you just want an RS


Edited by Mousem40 on Monday 5th December 01:52

Dr S

4,995 posts

225 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Mousem40 said:
Having said that if you're talking 3 ring/spa trips at least that's already almost 5,000 miles if you do nothing else and assuming those trips coincide with one another. That's not necessarily low miles for an RS. A fair bit of the premium for these cars is their collectibility, so miles will disproportionate hurt. Why not buy a 997.1 GT3 and get most of the benefits for less RS premium - unless you just want an RS


Edited by Mousem40 on Monday 5th December 01:52
...especially as the differences between vanilla 3 and RS were rather minor in the 7.1 iteration

LaurasOtherHalf

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Monday 5th December 2016
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RS rather than a regular GT3, and RHD though thanks for the PM carreralightweight wink

SignalGruen

630 posts

199 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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OP is better off getting a feel for the trade bids on these cars and then trying to find one privately and beating that bid. I wouldn't expect much off a trade car even if its been sat on the forecourt for a while.



Edited by SignalGruen on Monday 5th December 09:55

LaurasOtherHalf

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Monday 5th December 2016
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Yes that's the idea really, we understand there will always be a spread between asking prices and trade bids however I'd imagine private sales of this type are now becoming rarer with the values involved.

LaSource

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207 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Yes that's the idea really, we understand there will always be a spread between asking prices and trade bids however I'd imagine private sales of this type are now becoming rarer with the values involved.
In a flooded market you may be able to play the buyers game you are thinking. However in a low volume market if you are looking for say an orange car with no stories and lowish mileage, then you may find only one car available and one seller to 'bargain' with. Even if you are looking for a lower price higher mileage car, there will only be so many around to entice with a lower offer.

I expect most private sellers will accept an offer of SOR asking price mines £5k...as that is roughly the spread. There is no 15-20% spread

Edited by LaSource on Monday 5th December 14:41


Edited by LaSource on Monday 5th December 14:41

Mousem40

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216 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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A lot of trade won't want cars this expensive in stock (JZM being one of them) they'll just bid you in the balls or tell you to SOR and take 5%. So ask them what price you would expect on an SOR net to yourself and that would be a good figure between retail and private to base your figures off.

Worst case you pay retail @130k and I put you in touch with my friends with their bids in the 20s. So there's your bottom line already - less than a £10k loss.

Edited by Mousem40 on Monday 5th December 14:41

LaSource

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207 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Nowadays it is a very lazy seller who hands their keys into a dealer for trade bid. Unless they are bargaining/building relationship for a brand new 991R (or equivalent) from same dealer. And these guys will not be attracted to the idea of making a few £k more by a private sale.

CarreraLightweightRacing

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208 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
RS rather than a regular GT3, and RHD though thanks for the PM carreralightweight wink
LHD could actually make a little more sense for your intended use LOH. If it remained German registered, you only need a TUV (MOT in Germany) once every 2 years (Next due Nov 2018), you can apply for 5 day registration plates which cost about €100 including insurance for 5 days, so say 6 trips to Spa/NBR/Hockenheim in the warmer months per year(75/40/90mins from me). You fly in on a cheap Ryanair flight from Stansted to Frankfurt Hahn (STN-HHN) around £20 each way then you will put very limited mileage on the car, less than 1500 per year and it will only cost about €600 per year for all your tax/insurance/registration (TUV is an additional €101 every 2 years). Would certainly work out better than putting 5000miles on a RHD car per year and the associated depreciation costs.

P.Griffin

377 posts

113 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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The cost involved for SOR range anywhere from a fixed price of £1000 +vat to a fixed percentage around 5%, plus any preparation needed....so nowhere near 15%-20% OP suggested. As for what they are realistically worth right now, one friend sold his Gen 2 a year ago for roughly £160k, and another a few months ago for a similar price. A private sale might be a bit cheaper to take into account the sales savings but I'm sure an owner of such a specific car knows exactly what they can realistically achieve. I would guess private sales might be going through at around £150, but you have no recourse to anyone should something go wrong. I think values are pretty static right now and may even soften slightly on the back of the uncertain economic outlook. I don't think you need to rush into this market, there always seems to be quite a few around.

Edited by P.Griffin on Monday 5th December 15:59

LaurasOtherHalf

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Monday 5th December 2016
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Excellent advice all round, thanks for the info especially around the percentages involved with SOR. It would appear the margins are less than I was expecting at 5%.

CLR, many thanks for the info and we understand about the advantages of a German registered car however I think a RHD car would be preferred-perhaps one slightly less modified also although I have forwarded on your details to the purchaser-if he is interested he'll be in touch.

Are orange ones really worth any more or is this something that's come on the back of the green gold rush? One has been offered although no firm price has been given.

nigelonich

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219 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
3x Nürburgring trips
Not many of these on the ring this year buddy. Even the rich people cant afford to track them!

Im pretty sure white is the rarest RHD 997.1 GT3 RS colour?



LaurasOtherHalf

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Monday 5th December 2016
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nigelonich said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
3x Nürburgring trips
Not many of these on the ring this year buddy. Even the rich people cant afford to track them!

Im pretty sure white is the rarest RHD 997.1 GT3 RS colour?
There still seems a lot on the DN events that I did this year or am I imagining that? You might be right, though there was one I did in the summer where everyone seemed to be in a 991RS, there was loads of the things!

I like the black/orange ones but then I'm not buying it. I seem to recall a silver/orange one in the classifieds for a long time, there can't have been many of them. CH from Circuit Days had a white one many years ago.

Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

142 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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nigelonich said:
Im pretty sure white is the rarest RHD 997.1 GT3 RS colour?
Yep only 6 RHD UK cars I'm lead to believe...

nigelonich

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219 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Slickhillsy said:
Yep only 6 RHD UK cars I'm lead to believe...
A friend of mine has one of them. Neither of us knew the colour was so rare for the 7.1 RS until recently. I think it was extra to have it in white, only Porsche bless them....

Number31

351 posts

222 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Wonder who has the 6th car? The last time this came up we got it to 5!

In 2007

Option B4 : Carrara White --------------------- £2,180.00

It cost the same then as PTS but you could only choose white!