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anonymous said:
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They were referring to the exige. I remember hearing about this bug that prevented you from left foot breaking but thought they had solved it. Shame to hear all your issues. I thought the latter ones had most of those issues sorted out. I had an Elise S2 Sport 190 and indeed was a fragile little thing but you could get round most of the issues with a good lotus specialist at reasonable cost. But yes clearly not a daily. At best a weekend car if that given the non existing luggage space!!
rosino said:
They were referring to the exige. I remember hearing about this bug that prevented you from left foot breaking but thought they had solved it. Shame to hear all your issues. I thought the latter ones had most of those issues sorted out. I had an Elise S2 Sport 190 and indeed was a fragile little thing but you could get round most of the issues with a good lotus specialist at reasonable cost.
But yes clearly not a daily. At best a weekend car if that given the non existing luggage space!!
I thought it was just an issue if brake and throttle were applied in the wrong order, ie throttle then brake. I'd have thought the usual heel/toe of brake then blip was still fine. The current gearshift I believe has been much improved as well. In any case the exige 380 or better yet v6 cup is well over 200kg lighter than the gt4 nevermind gt3. In actual driving dynamics that's a huge amount of difference imo. I'd live with a more spartan interior for a gt car to lose a hundred kg tbh....But yes clearly not a daily. At best a weekend car if that given the non existing luggage space!!
My OPC just suggested that if I offer to trade in my 981 Spyder, for the new GT3, I will have a better chance of getting one !!
(N.B. I can't afford to keep both for more than a few months in any event. But the Spyder is 'so' much fun to drive, I'd hate to make the wrong decision !)
- Just a first world problem of course - but I thought that was a bit of a cheek to suggest...
(N.B. I can't afford to keep both for more than a few months in any event. But the Spyder is 'so' much fun to drive, I'd hate to make the wrong decision !)
- Just a first world problem of course - but I thought that was a bit of a cheek to suggest...
notsomadmick said:
My OPC just suggested that if I offer to trade in my 981 Spyder, for the new GT3, I will have a better chance of getting one !!
(N.B. I can't afford to keep both for more than a few months in any event. But the Spyder is 'so' much fun to drive, I'd hate to make the wrong decision !)
- Just a first world problem of course - but I thought that was a bit of a cheek to suggest...
Careful with this......a 'better chance' of a GT3 ain't good enough!...I would want a cast iron guarantee of a GT3 with specified transmission if 'manuel' is your box of choice before letting them have the Spyder. Only a couple left on the OPC network reckon they will sell this week with the beautiful weather. Sounds like they have a customer lined up so I would suggest £2k fee max.(N.B. I can't afford to keep both for more than a few months in any event. But the Spyder is 'so' much fun to drive, I'd hate to make the wrong decision !)
- Just a first world problem of course - but I thought that was a bit of a cheek to suggest...
Great cars btw.
Sell your Spyder at what price? Which OPC?
notsomadmick said:
My OPC just suggested that if I offer to trade in my 981 Spyder, for the new GT3, I will have a better chance of getting one !!
(N.B. I can't afford to keep both for more than a few months in any event. But the Spyder is 'so' much fun to drive, I'd hate to make the wrong decision !)
- Just a first world problem of course - but I thought that was a bit of a cheek to suggest...
(N.B. I can't afford to keep both for more than a few months in any event. But the Spyder is 'so' much fun to drive, I'd hate to make the wrong decision !)
- Just a first world problem of course - but I thought that was a bit of a cheek to suggest...
I'm going to try and further discuss 'some workable arrangement' on Monday.
(Basically I never expected the Spyder to be as good as it is. I had originally expected to simply exchange it for the GT3 - but now, it's not as clear cut as I thought - and my order is far from a sure thing anyway... Tis what it is - but a Spyder is hardly a poor option. Ultimately am lucky to even have the problem !)
At what point would you have to trade in the Spyder? Perhaps you can agree to this arrangement and if you don't have to dump the Spyder immediately, perhaps you'll get a chance to drive the GT3 before you have to offload the Spyder? If the GT3 doesn't do it for you, tell dealer to naff the naff off. It's not like he'll struggle to place the car.
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(Basically I never expected the Spyder to be as good as it is. I had originally expected to simply exchange it for the GT3 - but now, it's not as clear cut as I thought - and my order is far from a sure thing anyway... Tis what it is - but a Spyder is hardly a poor option. Ultimately am lucky to even have the problem !)
At what point would you have to trade in the Spyder? Perhaps you can agree to this arrangement and if you don't have to dump the Spyder immediately, perhaps you'll get a chance to drive the GT3 before you have to offload the Spyder? If the GT3 doesn't do it for you, tell dealer to naff the naff off. It's not like he'll struggle to place the car.
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notsomadmick said:
I'm going to try and further discuss 'some workable arrangement' on Monday.
(Basically I never expected the Spyder to be as good as it is. I had originally expected to simply exchange it for the GT3 - but now, it's not as clear cut as I thought - and my order is far from a sure thing anyway... Tis what it is - but a Spyder is hardly a poor option. Ultimately am lucky to even have the problem !)
At what point would you have to trade in the Spyder? Perhaps you can agree to this arrangement and if you don't have to dump the Spyder immediately, perhaps you'll get a chance to drive the GT3 before you have to offload the Spyder? If the GT3 doesn't do it for you, tell dealer to naff the naff off. It's not like he'll struggle to place the car.
(Basically I never expected the Spyder to be as good as it is. I had originally expected to simply exchange it for the GT3 - but now, it's not as clear cut as I thought - and my order is far from a sure thing anyway... Tis what it is - but a Spyder is hardly a poor option. Ultimately am lucky to even have the problem !)
At what point would you have to trade in the Spyder? Perhaps you can agree to this arrangement and if you don't have to dump the Spyder immediately, perhaps you'll get a chance to drive the GT3 before you have to offload the Spyder? If the GT3 doesn't do it for you, tell dealer to naff the naff off. It's not like he'll struggle to place the car.
Has anyone else been told by their OPC about manual being limited to 30% of production ? Someone posted that on here a few pages back I think. I was reading one of the interviews wuth AP last night who said he expects production to be split 60/40 so clearly nobody has told him. According to this month's Evo the new PDK is quicker than the one in the 991.1 RS and AP reckons the engine is better than the RS engine too....
Cheib said:
Has anyone else been told by their OPC about manual being limited to 30% of production ? Someone posted that on here a few pages back I think. I was reading one of the interviews wuth AP last night who said he expects production to be split 60/40 so clearly nobody has told him. According to this month's Evo the new PDK is quicker than the one in the 991.1 RS and AP reckons the engine is better than the RS engine too....
Wasn't the 60/40 relating to total sales 'worldwide'.Regarding the engine it does appear to be one step on from the RS.
Interesting AP refers to much greater torque low down compared to the gen 1 although max torque developed at c 6000rpm v litle higher 6250 for the gen 1. Also looks like a fair amount of improvement due to lower oil pressure and less internal drag on the new engine.
Cheib said:
Has anyone else been told by their OPC about manual being limited to 30% of production ? Someone posted that on here a few pages back I think. I was reading one of the interviews wuth AP last night who said he expects production to be split 60/40 so clearly nobody has told him. According to this month's Evo the new PDK is quicker than the one in the 991.1 RS and AP reckons the engine is better than the RS engine too....
The fact that PDK is being made first with manual is enough to know that if you have an allocation you're getting basically what you're given. They might have their stock of gearboxes already so they know how many of each will be made? I'm firmly in the manual camp but lots of people have said they favour PDK.
Remember, this is Porsche, a low volume car company. When I ordered my GTS they had run out of spoilers. When I ordered my 981 Spyder they had run out of bucket seats. They are not a very big company by auto standards and do seem to make it up as they go along (doing a good job of it).
2010spy said:
Remember, this is Porsche, a low volume car company. When I ordered my GTS they had run out of spoilers. When I ordered my 981 Spyder they had run out of bucket seats. They are not a very big company by auto standards and do seem to make it up as they go along (doing a good job of it).
Porsche sold 200+k cars last year. Low volume they are not.isaldiri said:
2010spy said:
Remember, this is Porsche, a low volume car company. When I ordered my GTS they had run out of spoilers. When I ordered my 981 Spyder they had run out of bucket seats. They are not a very big company by auto standards and do seem to make it up as they go along (doing a good job of it).
Porsche sold 200+k cars last year. Low volume they are not.Cheib said:
Three quarters of that is Macan and Cayenne production. 911 is roughly 30,000 annually...they'd definitely have issues if all the GT3 customers ordered buckets (of either kind)...it's all about "just in time" manufacturing....so they'll have pre-ordered however many of each seat they think they'll sell.
Correct Cheib, if GT3 customers all ordered bucket seats, or any other specific option for that matter, then production delays could entail, just as we saw on GT4 seats in mid 2015. I used to work for Valeo (supplying HVAC systems, lights, cooling packs etc), and we supplied all sorts of OEM customers. All manufacturers try and use a variation of the JIT system, and they try and predict customer demand for actual production volumes needed. The OEM hardly ever pre order product, they just used to give us an estimate before production commences, to allow us to plan, and then we'd get a weekly order of actual product required. I bet the manufacturer for the full bucket seat had actual orders which were way more than the estimate Porsche gave them pre production..!
IREvans said:
Cheib said:
Three quarters of that is Macan and Cayenne production. 911 is roughly 30,000 annually...they'd definitely have issues if all the GT3 customers ordered buckets (of either kind)...it's all about "just in time" manufacturing....so they'll have pre-ordered however many of each seat they think they'll sell.
Correct Cheib, if GT3 customers all ordered bucket seats, or any other specific option for that matter, then production delays could entail, just as we saw on GT4 seats in mid 2015. I used to work for Valeo (supplying HVAC systems, lights, cooling packs etc), and we supplied all sorts of OEM customers. All manufacturers try and use a variation of the JIT system, and they try and predict customer demand for actual production volumes needed. The OEM hardly ever pre order product, they just used to give us an estimate before production commences, to allow us to plan, and then we'd get a weekly order of actual product required. I bet the manufacturer for the full bucket seat had actual orders which were way more than the estimate Porsche gave them pre production..!
Cheib said:
It would be a huge shame if this impacted the availability of the manual 'box....no idea whether it's in house or made externally. Unfortunately it sounds like it will.
It is made externally, and it will be a real problem to get the quantities right for an item like this, as lots of the components will be on long lead times. It's just impossible for the manufacturer to guess accurately enough the production quantity required. Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff