911R for sale - £439,990

[blueg33]

TBh that is a lot of money for a car that just a few months ago when new was £137k

[av185]

Yes a certain dealer in Harrogate and several in the Bradford area are best avoided by anyone with more sense than money....:

[Connectors]

I'll just leave this here http://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/733/Prestige_...

[Jim1556]

£494,990
http://www.redlinespecialistcars.co.uk/used-cars/p...

£494,995
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

OR £459,995 on their own website??? Post above mine...

Utterly bonkers!

[SRT Hellcat]

I just do not get the hype of the 911R. Sure it is a special 991 but £300K over list. CGT any day of the week over this.

[xjay1337]

isaldiri said:

xjay1337 said:

I would struggle anyone to Justify an 911R over a McLaren 675LT AND a 997 GT3 RS. You could probably stretch to a 4.0 RS too.

Oh well. Have at you.

I'm curious why you feel it's alright to insult people's intelligence over a £400+k R but not a £400+k 4.0RS. or whatever it takes to buy a 2.7RS for that matter given last I checked even that car was a 911....

I was looking and gt3rs were selling for approx 180k. (On Ebay).

The 2.7rs is different. Thats 40 yrs old. A classic. And due to it's age. More valuable.

The type who tut at you for saying porsch instead or por shuh buy these new cars as collection pieces not cars TO USE.
Because buying a new gt or special edition porsche is basically growing money.
I reckon for every 2 or 3 gt3 rs in regular use 10 sit in a garage because one day it'll make steven hartley-smith a ton of money, he'll spend it on cleats and stupid hats and 3/4 length trousers that he'll wear on his sailing boat.

[SRT Hellcat]

xjay it is funny and a lot of what you say is true. I don't understand Ferrari's. Never been my thing. Lamborghini's I get and I do really adore the classics. But as my other half said many years ago. If they cut you in half it would say Porsche on your insides. (at my age it would also say Porsche classic parts) But even knowing Porsche as I do quite well I just cannot get my head around the prices. I just don't see a 2.7RS being worth 4,5 or 6 times more than a mint 2.2 or 2.4S. In truth value wise at the moment a really good 3.2 Carrera is probably the pick of the bunch. 993GT2 again bonkers but one of the best looking Porsche 911's ever produced. CGT. The care taken to produce a fully carbon fibre tub with carbon fibre bodywork. The Formula 1 derived V10 engine. The pedal box design that you can wear fat shoes in. Try that in a Lamborghini. I've just spent a couple of days reading the Porsche Carrera GT book. A wonderful insight. 911R. Very strange times indeed.

[xjay1337]

The cgt is a lovely car.

A dream of mine would be to ride passenger around the ring in one.

I follow a chap on IG, he has a cgt that he abuses and uses. Really warms my heart to see him drive it properly.

[Cheib]

SRT Hellcat said:

I just do not get the hype of the 911R. Sure it is a special 991 but £300K over list. CGT any day of the week over this.

I'd imagine a decent percentage of 911 R owners already own a CGT, 918. 4.0 RS etc...or if they don't currently probably have owned all those cars!

Totally take your point though....R vs CGT if you had to choose there's only one winner....which is maybe what the market is saying. I imagine these cars are SoR....the DK car has been there for a couple of months I think.

[v8ksn]

I can't get my head round the 'special' 911 market at all.

I have a 997.1 GT3 and to ME this is a truly special 911 with an engaging characterful engine and a divine chassis and yet, its left on the sidelines while people fight over the new GT3, RS and 911R models and the 997 Sport Classic!

Is a 991 GT3 really worth £50,000 more than a 997.1 GT3?

Is a 911R really worth 5 997.1 GT3's? (you could track one, store one, daily one and rally one and still have one for spares!)

Is a 997 Sport Classic really worth 2 996 GT3 RS? (you could track and thrash one and store the other)

Its all bloody bonkers!

[Cheburator mk2]

v8ksn said:

I can't get my head round the 'special' 911 market at all.

I have a 997.1 GT3 and to ME this is a truly special 911 with an engaging characterful engine and a divine chassis and yet, its left on the sidelines while people fight over the new GT3, RS and 911R models and the 997 Sport Classic!

Is a 991 GT3 really worth £50,000 more than a 997.1 GT3?

Is a 911R really worth 5 997.1 GT3's? (you could track one, store one, daily one and rally one and still have one for spares!)

Is a 997 Sport Classic really worth 2 996 GT3 RS? (you could track and thrash one and store the other)

Its all bloody bonkers!

But that's what happens when the mkt is taken over by um... errr... dunno what to call them really...

I own a 996.1 CS - is the 996GT3RS really three times better than my car?

Now a lot is about rarity value and to a large degree about having the latest and greatest, and showing that you are able to afford it despite the stupid overs. Before all the enthusiasts jump on me - I remember track days all over the UK in 2003, which were dominated by GT3s and CSLs, 964RSs were two-a-penny at the Ring and were seen as the affordable 911 to crash. These days it is all about values and keeping the 996/7s original for the benefit of the next owner. WTF?!

Have to say, I love our cousins across the pond. They are not scared of modifying their Porsches and driving the door handles off them. But even there, I am beginning to see the "value culture" creep, which is crying shame...

[hunter 66]

Rather get the new T , the successor to the R than pay that level of overs .......... simple new classics not a notion as will be next best all time is out soon

[OldBob]

Of course as a car goes it's not worth 4x something or other.
Only "worth it" as a punt for an investment - if it comes off.
No magic, no enthusiast lust, no best car ever ever - just business.

[Davey S2]

xjay1337 said:

The cgt is a lovely car.

A dream of mine would be to ride passenger around the ring in one.

I follow a chap on IG, he has a cgt that he abuses and uses. Really warms my heart to see him drive it properly.

Maxige?

He also has just taken delivery of an R but obviously paid list.

[footsoldier]

v8ksn said:

I can't get my head round the 'special' 911 market at all.

I have a 997.1 GT3 and to ME this is a truly special 911 with an engaging characterful engine and a divine chassis and yet, its left on the sidelines while people fight over the new GT3, RS and 911R models and the 997 Sport Classic!

Is a 991 GT3 really worth £50,000 more than a 997.1 GT3?

Is a 911R really worth 5 997.1 GT3's? (you could track one, store one, daily one and rally one and still have one for spares!)

Is a 997 Sport Classic really worth 2 996 GT3 RS? (you could track and thrash one and store the other)

Its all bloody bonkers!

That's not how buyers of these things will look at it. They don't want 5 997s.

The question for most of them is what else will I do with all the spare cash I have.? If they have excess, and would rather have the car than another £500k on their bank balance, does it make a difference what the list price was?

I saw people laughing at how daft the prices paid for 993 Porsches at the last Sothebyts Lomdon auction. The competing bidders were both US billionaires, and the buyer is in the top 10 richest people in US. Does he care that he paid a few £00k over "market value", or does he care that he now owns the car that he had on his wall as a motivation to start his business?

I'll bet there are very few Rs have sold, or will sell, at £500k, but I'll bet even more, than none of the buyers at that price have to make a choice between owning a CGT (for example) or an R. They just have to make a choice on what is the latest trinket or experience they want to spend some cash on.

FWIW, I agree that the 997.1GT3 is the best value out there, and gives little away to the others, if you're keeping it, think yourself lucky - you don't have to pay exorbitant insurance premiums or labour or parts charges, which all seem to be linked to the price on the latest 'for sale' ad!

[xjay1337]

Davey S2 said:

xjay1337 said:

The cgt is a lovely car.

A dream of mine would be to ride passenger around the ring in one.

I follow a chap on IG, he has a cgt that he abuses and uses. Really warms my heart to see him drive it properly.

Maxige?

He also has just taken delivery of an R but obviously paid list.

That's it! What a guy.

[Mogul]

RM Sotheby's have an R in their upcoming 9th Feb 2017 auction in Paris.

http://www.rmsothebys.com/pa17/paris/lots/2016-por...

[jakesmith]

It is pig ugly too, silver with green stripes, variety of vents etc stuck on the back... same for the 991 RS too, looks a total mess IMO, a million miles away from the simple clean lines of the earlier cars

[Cheib]

Mogul said:

RM Sotheby's have an R in their upcoming 9th Feb 2017 auction in Paris.

http://www.rmsothebys.com/pa17/paris/lots/2016-por...

Clearly be extremely difficult for Porsche to identify the owner of that car and make sure he never gets another limited production run product......

[blueg33]

The Sotheby's car looks lovely