2017 GTS (Manual or PDK)

[Cheib]

GT4P said:

Robbo66 said:

PDK. pains me to say, but manual in a 991 ...no.
There will be next to zero with manual spec, residual suicide too. They sold 7 manual 991 GTS in the U.K.
You want stick, go 997.

Fixed for you

Neither is right.

I think it was 50 out of 500 UK 991.1 GTS Coupe's were manual and IIRC 6 of the 991.1 GTS Targa's were manual....one of the latter is owned by a (quite rightly) very proud PH member!

If you look on the Porsche Approved website it's normally about 10% of 991 Carrera/S are Manual vs PDK.

You are right about the manual 997 though

[Mark-bt8gu]

Hello ladies and gents, Im new to this stuff, Im no technical fella just like my cars.
I thought I would throw my two penneth into this.
For my sins I bought a 991.1 GTS4 with a manual box from Portsmouth OPC almost a year ago, which I believe is an even rarer car as only approx 25 manual GTS4's were ever made. (Im sure someone will correct me on this).
Its the second manual 911 Ive owned and I think its a superb drive. I treat the car as a 6 speed box and use 7th when on the motorway/cruising along.
My theory in buying the car being that everyone is going for PDK and the manual will be sought after sometime in the future. I have a friend with 2005 plate F430 with a manual box, the last time I looked they were commanding a few thousand pounds over the F1 gearbox due to their rarity.
Same kind of scenario now with 911's, in that the manual 430 was'nt that popular but now it has swung around somewhat.
I may of course be wide of the mark, all said and done I bought the car for some fun, which is what you shoud do, if you prefer manual go for it.
Good luck.

[m88ony]

What I don't understand is there is a manual .1 2GTS at an OPC in silver and has been there for sale for around 2 months. The manual GTS is also cheaper than the PDK.

Why is it not selling if the view is a purist 911 is manual?

[Cheib]

m88ony said:

What I don't understand is there is a manual .1 2GTS at an OPC in silver and has been there for sale for around 2 months. The manual GTS is also cheaper than the PDK.

Why is it not selling if the view is a purist 911 is manual?

It's got a dodgy spec

- No GTS interior (most people want that and all the the higher priced cars have it)
- Rear seat delete (again most people will want this)
- Plastic dash because of the lack of GTS interior
- The ugly multi-function steering wheel (£1k to put the right one in)
- Bog standard seats

Edited by Cheib on Saturday 14th January 18:39

[2010spy]

OK, so based on this, what are the must haves for the 991.2 GTS. I want to keep price under £100k.

[Shiverman]

2010spy said:

OK, so based on this, what are the must haves for the 991.2 GTS. I want to keep price under £100k.

Don't know whether it will keep you below £100k but GTS interior with leather dash IS essential (both for ambience of a £100k car and resale). If PDK then spec sport chrono as it gives you sport and sport plus mode both of which I use.

Personally wouldn't bother with sunroof but others may feel different. Front axle lift shouldn't be required by most. Rear wheel steer I haven't experienced so cant comment.

Bose was an improvement over the standard system on the Gen1 but I read somewhere that the basic sound syste, has been improved so suggest you have a listen.

I think you may then want a few 'comfort' accessories but they are probably not essential over the above.

I'm sure others may feel different and I'm sure you'll get other very valid opinions as well.

[2010spy]

Thanks Shiverman, but have I got this wrong, but is the leather dash etc £4k+!!!

Edited by 2010spy on Saturday 14th January 19:49

[Cheib]

2010spy said:

Thanks Shiverman, but have I got this wrong, but is the leather dash etc £4k+!!!

Edited by 2010spy on Saturday 14th January 19:49

Yup...£4532.00 to be precise.

You want this

Alcantara® Package GTS Carmine Red in conjunction with GTS interior package (or the silver equivalent) £2298.00

which means you automatically have to have this

GTS interior package £2234.00 You also get a Red Rev Counter and some Carbon Trim Strips so a bit of a bargain!

You could go for the standard 911 Boordeuax Red/Black interior which is a mere £2703.00 and does seem to come with the leather dash.

Assuming you want a PDK box I think you'll struggle to spec a 2 GTS to less than £105k as there are a number of small things that most people want...Bose, Heated Seats, Dimming Mirrors etc

That said if it does cost you £105k and an 18 month old car of equivalent spec is going to be say £95k....it's not a bad premium for a brand new car and means you could run the car for say two years and it will probably cost you £20k assuming nothing changes as trade bids for a decent near two year old car today are probably in the £80 to £85k area.

[2010spy]

Thanks, that's very helpful. I'm hoping to keep this until a kind OPC offers me a GT3.

[Shiverman]

2010spy said:

Thanks, that's very helpful. I'm hoping to keep this until a kind OPC offers me a GT3.

It's a keeper then!!!! Good on you! Don't want to be like some of us keep changing cars every 5-6 months and still nowhere on the list for getting a sniff of a GT3.

On a serious note, someone's got to get lucky so no reason to say it won't be you.

[bensimmo]

i'm gonna throw in my experience here - i'm a manual fan - love the connection and 'driving the car' not just steering it. I've had the following manuals: 997.1 C4S coup, 997.2 C2S Coup, 997.2 C4S Cab and finally a 991.1 C2S cabriolet.

The 991 cab has been up for sale with a very reputable indy for nearly 3 months, competitively priced, well spec'd (the only option my car is missing is Bose). However this just hasn't moved - very very few enquiries - so if you are going to go manual and you love manuals, then buy the car you will love BUT be prepared to wait for the right buyer to come along and you will probably need to sell privately or an indy to get a good price unless the market for them picks up through rarity.

For what it's worth I have just done a deal to trade in the manual 991 C2S in against a newer PDK today, for fear of being stuck in the future and unable to change the car. The trade bid on car from the Porsche GB owned OPC, was appalling (£52k on a £63k retail) car and I spent the whole time easing up the price on mine rather than battering down the retail on their vehicle. Still I got an ok deal on a great specced car in the end - but they purely will look at the book price which looks to be pretty low on manuals so buyer beware. Hope this helps.

[Mark-bt8gu]

What I was alluding to and for what its worth I think the manual GTS will have its day but not now as PDK is the most popular, which I can understand.
I just am of the opinion that the manual car will in the furture be a sought after car, its time may not be for 6 months, a year or in 5 years time.
In respect of your car Bensimmo is it one of the early manuals?
I havent driven an early 991.1 manual but I was led to believe the original 7 speed gear box wasnt Porsches best. They improved the manual box in the GTS. (Please do not take it the wrong way I am not in ayway being disrespectful about your car).
As you say though buyer beware its all just a matter of opinion.

[bensimmo]

Hi Mark-bt8gu,

Yes it was a launch vehicle. i have read that too - but I could not really spot it vs a 997 gen2 with short shift - sure it was different, but the car was sooo much better than the 997 in many other ways I love it.

[Cheib]

It's taken until the last year for the 997.2 GTS manual to be the more sort after car....so four or five years after the cars were new. Previously manuals were definitely cheaper and less sort after. Despite production volumes of the manual cars being 50% of those of PDK (100 vs 200)...it's now a case that maybe 10% of cars on sale of PDK's. Presumably the manuals have found the enthusiast homes who tend to own these cars for much longer ? Also those manual buyers want coupes and not cab's.

When a car is the contemporary model there are a lot more people who want the latest and greatest tech which means PDK etc PDK is also a new tech still and will continue to see improvements in the tech....the PDK in 991 is better than in 997 and no doubt the 991's replacement will have a better PDK again.

I'd only consider a manual in a 991.2 GTS is I was ordering a "2" Coupe.

[2010spy]

So, having finalised the order today I decided to for PDK. I borrowed a C4S for 24 hours with PDK and it was great - so no need to 'risk' going down the manual route. Final Spec:

- GT Silver
- PDK
- Glass Sunroof
- Sport Design Pack
- Heated Seats
- Multifunction Steering Wheel
- Parking Sensors
- Leather Interior
- Bose

Think thats it and its coming mid-April 2017.

[P14]

OPC Silverstone have ordered a GTS (2wd) Coupe in Yellow Green PTS, PCCB, GTS Interior with Silver Stitching, Carbon Buckets etc. and a manual gearbox.

Going to be a demonstrator about June onwards. Hoping to have a play with it.

[elucius]

P14 said:

OPC Silverstone have ordered a GTS (2wd) Coupe in Yellow Green PTS, PCCB, GTS Interior with Silver Stitching, Carbon Buckets etc. and a manual gearbox.

Going to be a demonstrator about June onwards. Hoping to have a play with it.

How much longer will you have to wait for PTS? Just wondering as I've a late April build date for one of the colours on offer.

[tuffer]

2010spy said:

So, having finalised the order today I decided to for PDK. I borrowed a C4S for 24 hours with PDK and it was great - so no need to 'risk' going down the manual route. Final Spec:

- GT Silver
- PDK
- Glass Sunroof
- Sport Design Pack
- Heated Seats
- Multifunction Steering Wheel
- Parking Sensors
- Leather Interior
- Bose

Think thats it and its coming mid-April 2017.

I am assuming the <£100K idea went out the window then.

[2010spy]

Yep, and amusingly, my wife found the Order Form this morning which I had 'filed away' yesterday.....

[tuffer]

2010spy said:

Yep, and amusingly, my wife found the Order Form this morning which I had 'filed away' yesterday.....

Did you choose the GTS interior with extended leather or just a leather interior? Interesting that you went for the sports design pack, it is very subtle but it does look nice with GT silver.