Which 991.2, GTS or Turbo S?
Discussion
Hi all, currently driving an Audi R8 and am contemplating a 911 to replace it with. Which 911 is proving to be a bit of a problem though.
As you can imagine with the R8, things like sound (spectacular), throttle response (razor sharp), sense of occasion, interior quality and if it's your thing (it is mine), aesthetics are all right up there with the best, if not in some cases being the best you can buy at almost any price these days. You'd wonder why I'm replacing it, but it's a long story and thats not the purpose of this post, but lets just say after a year or so it's time to get it replaced.
I've had a 997.2 Turbo a few years ago fan, and more recently, my wife had a Cayenne S and is taking delivery of a new Macan Turbo next month. I therefore know the performance you get from Porsche's are pretty much as good as it gets and most importantly for me, they seem largely bulletproof.
Fortunately, my budget (just about) allows for a new Turbo S. So why no just get a Turbo S?
A few reasons;
- I found my last 997 Turbo a bit of a point and shoot device, and it sounded average at best
- I felt like I couldn't properly 'drive' the Turbo, much the same situation with the R8. Sounds crazy, but it's almost too fast and you can't wring it out without being antisocial and risking prison
- I've driven a couple of different versions of Carrera (997.2, 991.1 and now 991.2) and found them more fun, if less extreme. Simply, they can be properly thrashed and I find I'm not using my limited brain capacity to work out how much to hold back all the time!
- I think I prefer the cleaner look of something like the GTS - wide body, less scoops etc
However, being very much a fan of naturally aspirated power delivery in cars, I didn't think I'd take to the new turbocharged Carrera....until that is, my friendly local Porsche dealer let me loose in their C2S demo for a couple of days last weekend.
I was really surprised - it sounded good and seems to have retained some of that hollow wail you used to get in the N/A's, albeit more muted (also, it's not R8 good but it's different enough for me not warrant the need for comparison), it had decent throttle response and it really liked revs (I could keep it up at 6-7.5k and it felt like it was worth doing so, unlike so many turbo's). My last turbocharged car was an AMG GT, and I think this new Porsche engine is even better (I'd say it's probably the least turbo-like turbo I've driven).
The chassis was sublime. OK, the rear wheel steering took some getting used to and it sure did move around a lot on its' winter tyres but I really rated the beautifully controlled ride with the roll-free (PDCC assisted) handling. Steering was nice and gave a bit of feedback, if not as feelsome as the 997 I had before. The interior quality is on a par with the R8, if not as extravagantly styled (the Porsche cabin architecture is quite ordinary in comparison). It was nowhere near as fast as the R8, but I actually reckon I was able to drive it faster on the road because it was easier to access the lower level of performance. At no point did I feel like it needed more power.
The car I'm really interested in though is the GTS, but I suspect the C2S gives me a good insight into what the GTS will be like. Given the C2S demo had all the optional chassis toys (PDCC, -20mm springs, RWS etc), I assume it'd be pretty much identical to the GTS bar the lack of 30bhp (which I also suspect I'd not feel, but interested in views on that).
However, what I use my car for 90% of the time is eminently boring. It's a daily driver, so lots of commuting and motorway driving, plus we do a couple of decent Euro road tips annually, so I do get the chance to stretch the legs of whatever I have every so often. I therefore need to consider that the way I enjoyed the C2S last weekend wasn't quite reflective of how I will use the car regularly and I value refinement and effortless performance just as much. But still, I reckon the C2S (and therefore the GTS) would still cut it in this respect.
But what about the Turbo S? Well, my friendly dealer sent me to Silverstone this morning for an extended (but accompanied) test drive in a a Turbo S.
Given my last 911 Turbo experience in my 997, I was expecting muted sound, boosty performance, soft throttle and an inability to really drive it.
But I was pleasantly surprised in most aspects. The sound is much improved , especially in sport mode where you now get some deep pops on the overrun and if you have enough revs, you still get a little of that hollow wail. Throttle response was impressive, better even than the 3.0T Carrera so you really can feel the new tech they've introduced to improve response (namely, keeping the throttle open when you come off the pedal so it responds instantly when you get back on the power). It was only when I got back in the R8 that I felt a notable step up in throttle response but in isolation, the Turbo S is perfectly fine in this respect.
It's still has quite a boosty power delivery, much more so than the C2S, but it's easy to drive through and all part of the character. It's just different when I'm used to needing 4k+ on the dial to get real shove in the R8, this Turbo S just goes. I wouldn't say it was any faster than the R8 though, just a different power delivery....which I concede itself might make it faster on the road because it's easier to extract the power which is always there, almost regardless of revs).
However, I still felt I wasn't able to properly drive it like I could the C2S. Much like the R8, it's just so fast that it can't really be consistently rung out. Maybe it wasn't helped because I had an instructor next to me but I had to keep holding back (in contrast I had the C2S for two days on my own last weekend).
Also because I had an instructor sat next to me, I couldn't push it as hard as I'd have liked in order to 'feel' how the 4wd system works. The latest R8's new Quattro system is spectacularly good, a very rear biased system that gently shifts the power around and feels great when doing so (it's not quite the same as hanging the rear end out of a RWD car, but it's a different kind of satisfaction). No real under or oversteer, just a nice balance. Hoping the Porsche system is similar, but just couldn't test it.
The flip side is the effortless performance and refinement were superior in the Turbo S, there appeared no dynamic downsides compared to the C2S other than the fact it's 4wd (if I was ordering a GTS, it would likely be the 4wd version) and the RWS definitely seemed more subtle in the Turbo S, although this may be down to tyres as much as anything (Turbo S on summers, C2S was on winters).
And finally, the Turbo S is so much better spec'd than the GTS that it's almost better value (with a dose of man maths
). Specifying it the way I want, the GTS 4 comes in at £130k, so £30k's worth of options 
Given one often loses most residual value on options, this does concern me slightly whereas the Turbo S needs only £5k's worth to be similarly spec'd, so the deprecation potential is seemingly reduced. Again, keen to get opinions on this.
So, that's it really. I know it smacks of a very first world problem but I am really struggling to work out which 991 to buy!
As you can imagine with the R8, things like sound (spectacular), throttle response (razor sharp), sense of occasion, interior quality and if it's your thing (it is mine), aesthetics are all right up there with the best, if not in some cases being the best you can buy at almost any price these days. You'd wonder why I'm replacing it, but it's a long story and thats not the purpose of this post, but lets just say after a year or so it's time to get it replaced.
I've had a 997.2 Turbo a few years ago fan, and more recently, my wife had a Cayenne S and is taking delivery of a new Macan Turbo next month. I therefore know the performance you get from Porsche's are pretty much as good as it gets and most importantly for me, they seem largely bulletproof.
Fortunately, my budget (just about) allows for a new Turbo S. So why no just get a Turbo S?
A few reasons;
- I found my last 997 Turbo a bit of a point and shoot device, and it sounded average at best
- I felt like I couldn't properly 'drive' the Turbo, much the same situation with the R8. Sounds crazy, but it's almost too fast and you can't wring it out without being antisocial and risking prison
- I've driven a couple of different versions of Carrera (997.2, 991.1 and now 991.2) and found them more fun, if less extreme. Simply, they can be properly thrashed and I find I'm not using my limited brain capacity to work out how much to hold back all the time!
- I think I prefer the cleaner look of something like the GTS - wide body, less scoops etc
However, being very much a fan of naturally aspirated power delivery in cars, I didn't think I'd take to the new turbocharged Carrera....until that is, my friendly local Porsche dealer let me loose in their C2S demo for a couple of days last weekend.
I was really surprised - it sounded good and seems to have retained some of that hollow wail you used to get in the N/A's, albeit more muted (also, it's not R8 good but it's different enough for me not warrant the need for comparison), it had decent throttle response and it really liked revs (I could keep it up at 6-7.5k and it felt like it was worth doing so, unlike so many turbo's). My last turbocharged car was an AMG GT, and I think this new Porsche engine is even better (I'd say it's probably the least turbo-like turbo I've driven).
The chassis was sublime. OK, the rear wheel steering took some getting used to and it sure did move around a lot on its' winter tyres but I really rated the beautifully controlled ride with the roll-free (PDCC assisted) handling. Steering was nice and gave a bit of feedback, if not as feelsome as the 997 I had before. The interior quality is on a par with the R8, if not as extravagantly styled (the Porsche cabin architecture is quite ordinary in comparison). It was nowhere near as fast as the R8, but I actually reckon I was able to drive it faster on the road because it was easier to access the lower level of performance. At no point did I feel like it needed more power.
The car I'm really interested in though is the GTS, but I suspect the C2S gives me a good insight into what the GTS will be like. Given the C2S demo had all the optional chassis toys (PDCC, -20mm springs, RWS etc), I assume it'd be pretty much identical to the GTS bar the lack of 30bhp (which I also suspect I'd not feel, but interested in views on that).
However, what I use my car for 90% of the time is eminently boring. It's a daily driver, so lots of commuting and motorway driving, plus we do a couple of decent Euro road tips annually, so I do get the chance to stretch the legs of whatever I have every so often. I therefore need to consider that the way I enjoyed the C2S last weekend wasn't quite reflective of how I will use the car regularly and I value refinement and effortless performance just as much. But still, I reckon the C2S (and therefore the GTS) would still cut it in this respect.
But what about the Turbo S? Well, my friendly dealer sent me to Silverstone this morning for an extended (but accompanied) test drive in a a Turbo S.
Given my last 911 Turbo experience in my 997, I was expecting muted sound, boosty performance, soft throttle and an inability to really drive it.
But I was pleasantly surprised in most aspects. The sound is much improved , especially in sport mode where you now get some deep pops on the overrun and if you have enough revs, you still get a little of that hollow wail. Throttle response was impressive, better even than the 3.0T Carrera so you really can feel the new tech they've introduced to improve response (namely, keeping the throttle open when you come off the pedal so it responds instantly when you get back on the power). It was only when I got back in the R8 that I felt a notable step up in throttle response but in isolation, the Turbo S is perfectly fine in this respect.
It's still has quite a boosty power delivery, much more so than the C2S, but it's easy to drive through and all part of the character. It's just different when I'm used to needing 4k+ on the dial to get real shove in the R8, this Turbo S just goes. I wouldn't say it was any faster than the R8 though, just a different power delivery....which I concede itself might make it faster on the road because it's easier to extract the power which is always there, almost regardless of revs).
However, I still felt I wasn't able to properly drive it like I could the C2S. Much like the R8, it's just so fast that it can't really be consistently rung out. Maybe it wasn't helped because I had an instructor next to me but I had to keep holding back (in contrast I had the C2S for two days on my own last weekend).
Also because I had an instructor sat next to me, I couldn't push it as hard as I'd have liked in order to 'feel' how the 4wd system works. The latest R8's new Quattro system is spectacularly good, a very rear biased system that gently shifts the power around and feels great when doing so (it's not quite the same as hanging the rear end out of a RWD car, but it's a different kind of satisfaction). No real under or oversteer, just a nice balance. Hoping the Porsche system is similar, but just couldn't test it.
The flip side is the effortless performance and refinement were superior in the Turbo S, there appeared no dynamic downsides compared to the C2S other than the fact it's 4wd (if I was ordering a GTS, it would likely be the 4wd version) and the RWS definitely seemed more subtle in the Turbo S, although this may be down to tyres as much as anything (Turbo S on summers, C2S was on winters).
And finally, the Turbo S is so much better spec'd than the GTS that it's almost better value (with a dose of man maths
). Specifying it the way I want, the GTS 4 comes in at £130k, so £30k's worth of options Given one often loses most residual value on options, this does concern me slightly whereas the Turbo S needs only £5k's worth to be similarly spec'd, so the deprecation potential is seemingly reduced. Again, keen to get opinions on this.So, that's it really. I know it smacks of a very first world problem but I am really struggling to work out which 991 to buy!
Firstly, congratulations on a very good write up on your thoughts and how you have arrived at the 'dilemma'.
You have covered pretty much everything so it's really down to which way you feel is best - as I suspect most on here will say Turbo S simply because it's the fastest. It's also the best value for money compared to a £130k GTS, but you will lose money on either if buying new, and a 'sensible spec' GTS at £115-120k might offer better value.
I've never driven a Turbo S, but I know how quick they are and in my opinion for road use they allow very short bursts of power for 99% of the time. To me they are too fast for UK roads, which you refer to in your experience of the R8, so I know I would prefer the GTS or even the CS as I could push it a little more and get more pleasure from the experience. Remember, the faster car won't handle corners any better, and you will arrive at them plenty quick enough in the GTS.
You have covered pretty much everything so it's really down to which way you feel is best - as I suspect most on here will say Turbo S simply because it's the fastest. It's also the best value for money compared to a £130k GTS, but you will lose money on either if buying new, and a 'sensible spec' GTS at £115-120k might offer better value.
I've never driven a Turbo S, but I know how quick they are and in my opinion for road use they allow very short bursts of power for 99% of the time. To me they are too fast for UK roads, which you refer to in your experience of the R8, so I know I would prefer the GTS or even the CS as I could push it a little more and get more pleasure from the experience. Remember, the faster car won't handle corners any better, and you will arrive at them plenty quick enough in the GTS.
Nice write up and plenty of options to choose from. What's nice to know is that any flavour of 911 is a great car so rest assured you will be happy whatever you choose even if that means sticking with the R8 for a bit longer as it's also a superb car.
I was in a similar dilemma last year. 991.1 GTS or 991.1 Turbo S. I have huge amount of respect for the abilities of the turbo but just couldn't access the full capability of the car without doing jail time.
For me it was the .1 GTS that I went for. Glorious N/A engine and more than enough power to feel you are engaged with the car.
Try the gen 1 GTS. You seem to prefer N/A power delivery so you may be surprised?
I was in a similar dilemma last year. 991.1 GTS or 991.1 Turbo S. I have huge amount of respect for the abilities of the turbo but just couldn't access the full capability of the car without doing jail time.
For me it was the .1 GTS that I went for. Glorious N/A engine and more than enough power to feel you are engaged with the car.
Try the gen 1 GTS. You seem to prefer N/A power delivery so you may be surprised?
Thanks guys
@ gosh, yes a £115k GTS would be the sweet spot financially, but missing so many bit's I want / am used to. It's lotta dollar to spend and not get everything I want so I'm afraid it's a no compromise approach from me.
@ m88ony & portgts, you know I came so close to buying a 991.1 GTS about 18 months ago, but being (more than) a bit of an AMG fan I swapped my SLS at the time for an AMG GT. The wrong decision on so many levels, I tell you! Shouldn't have sold the SLS, should have bought the 991 back then. But hey ho. Anyway, it's the tech....and if theres one thing that I've been spoilt by the R8 other than the engine, it's the tech. Yep, simple things like the telematics and the new kit in the .2 is very good, probably up to Audi/BMW/Mercs best now. And it's stuff I use everyday so worth the compromise on going turbo.
R8 has done about 4.5k miles, still like new as it's half covered in paint protection film!
@ gosh, yes a £115k GTS would be the sweet spot financially, but missing so many bit's I want / am used to. It's lotta dollar to spend and not get everything I want so I'm afraid it's a no compromise approach from me.
@ m88ony & portgts, you know I came so close to buying a 991.1 GTS about 18 months ago, but being (more than) a bit of an AMG fan I swapped my SLS at the time for an AMG GT. The wrong decision on so many levels, I tell you! Shouldn't have sold the SLS, should have bought the 991 back then. But hey ho. Anyway, it's the tech....and if theres one thing that I've been spoilt by the R8 other than the engine, it's the tech. Yep, simple things like the telematics and the new kit in the .2 is very good, probably up to Audi/BMW/Mercs best now. And it's stuff I use everyday so worth the compromise on going turbo.
R8 has done about 4.5k miles, still like new as it's half covered in paint protection film!
Interesting stuff and as you say, a "First world" dilemma! - I assume you want PDK though rather than manual? For me, back in 2011 admittedly, it had to be manual, which meant there wasn't a choice. 997 manual C2 GTS it was. NA engine, non electric steering, and 5 years of free motoring. Can't recommend highly enough, just a bit like Hen's teeth though in the market.....drove the 991.1 manual GTS at PEC and didn't think the box was as good as the 997, and that was meant to be after the initial 991 box issues had been resolved. 991.2 manual may be better?
If it's got to be PDK, and new I think the depreciation question may not be as straightforward as some have suggested, Turbo S will drop a lot - I suspect 991.2 GTS a lot less so based on the experience of the 991.1 GTS. An enviable but tough call......
If it's got to be PDK, and new I think the depreciation question may not be as straightforward as some have suggested, Turbo S will drop a lot - I suspect 991.2 GTS a lot less so based on the experience of the 991.1 GTS. An enviable but tough call......
If you're going to spec a 991.2 GTS with PDK and 4wd and the spec you want is £ 130k and as it seems you like to change your cars your surely better going Turbo S or "just plain" Turbo ? A "well specced" ( for most people) 991.2 GTS is £115k so the absolute max that car is worth will be £115k retail in a year's time I reckon which puts trade value at the very best at £105k IMHO.
Having said that High spec 18 to 24 month old 991.1 GTS's are £100k though...
Having said that High spec 18 to 24 month old 991.1 GTS's are £100k though...
Cheib said:
If you're going to spec a 991.2 GTS with PDK and 4wd and the spec you want is £ 130k and as it seems you like to change your cars your surely better going Turbo S or "just plain" Turbo ? A "well specced" ( for most people) 991.2 GTS is £115k so the absolute max that car is worth will be £115k retail in a year's time I reckon which puts trade value at the very best at £105k IMHO.
Having said that High spec 18 to 24 month old 991.1 GTS's are £100k though...
Have heard the production numbers on the .2 turbo S in the UK are going to be low so should be good for residuals.Having said that High spec 18 to 24 month old 991.1 GTS's are £100k though...
Palmball said:
The price of high spec .1 GTS's is very encouraging, however that has one big N/A advantage over every future model. the .2 will never have that, so suspect it will always just be another 911 (like every other model, Turbo included bar the GT cars)
Yes 991.1 GTS holding money very well! Loving mine 6 months in and prices seem to be 5-8k more than I paid then for the right high spec car and prices generally have been very firm for last 12 months. As you say last of the big engine NA 911sEdited by porkgts on Saturday 28th January 21:11
porkgts said:
Palmball said:
The price of high spec .1 GTS's is very encouraging, however that has one big N/A advantage over every future model. the .2 will never have that, so suspect it will always just be another 911 (like every other model, Turbo included bar the GT cars)
Yes 991.1 GTS holding money very well! Loving mine 6 months in and prices seem to be 5-8k more than I paid then for the right high spec car and prices generally have been very firm for last 12 months. As you say last of the big engine NA 911sEdited by porkgts on Saturday 28th January 21:11
Great write up - makes me want a Yellow R8 
To confuse matters more..... the answer could be a 'two car solution'
A Boxter / Cayman/ GT3 etc to absolutely wring the neck on...and a fast, high tech daily driver ??
I've done the one size fits all, but found a comfy daily for daily duties works best (no compromises on comfort or issues parking). Combined with a proper super car to scare me in high days.
Saying that GTS or Turbo S
To confuse matters more..... the answer could be a 'two car solution'
A Boxter / Cayman/ GT3 etc to absolutely wring the neck on...and a fast, high tech daily driver ??
I've done the one size fits all, but found a comfy daily for daily duties works best (no compromises on comfort or issues parking). Combined with a proper super car to scare me in high days.
Saying that GTS or Turbo S
Funny thing.. am going through a similar dilemma. I would like something to tidy me up until the next GT3 and debating whether the GTS is really a good idea when for barely more i Gould get a Turbo (not necessarily S).
The 991.1 GTS for me is out of the equation. I've had a 991.1 S and it would be the same car marginally better so can't bring myself to go that way although financially it's probably the best trade depreciation-wise.
I am not at your stage yet. My friendly dealer only promised me a drive of the GTS at silverstone when they get there. I have never driven a 991-2. Am a but worried about the throttle response as I have a 458 Speciale which reads your mind in that respect but that I just don't use enough in this country.
My dealer agrees that the GTS would be the more delicate beast, 2wd and less in pursuit of absolute speed and power. Sound wise I suspect it's also much better. I was never a fan of PDCC and would not spec it. That's why I might prefer the non-S Turbo. My 991.1 had it and it definitely has the magic carpet ride but didn't feel right. I was so happy with the GT3 that followed that had RWS and no PDCC.
I found RWS fantastic and almost transformed the rear-engined 911 into a mid engine car. I would get that one again in a heartbeat.
I had steels on my GT3 and never ever missed ceramics not even on track. So probably wouldn't bother on a mainstream model. The debate has been done to death but yes my Speciale brakes are incredible but so were my GT3's. And with the latter I never ever had to think about replacement costs.
The 991.1 GTS for me is out of the equation. I've had a 991.1 S and it would be the same car marginally better so can't bring myself to go that way although financially it's probably the best trade depreciation-wise.
I am not at your stage yet. My friendly dealer only promised me a drive of the GTS at silverstone when they get there. I have never driven a 991-2. Am a but worried about the throttle response as I have a 458 Speciale which reads your mind in that respect but that I just don't use enough in this country.
My dealer agrees that the GTS would be the more delicate beast, 2wd and less in pursuit of absolute speed and power. Sound wise I suspect it's also much better. I was never a fan of PDCC and would not spec it. That's why I might prefer the non-S Turbo. My 991.1 had it and it definitely has the magic carpet ride but didn't feel right. I was so happy with the GT3 that followed that had RWS and no PDCC.
I found RWS fantastic and almost transformed the rear-engined 911 into a mid engine car. I would get that one again in a heartbeat.
I had steels on my GT3 and never ever missed ceramics not even on track. So probably wouldn't bother on a mainstream model. The debate has been done to death but yes my Speciale brakes are incredible but so were my GT3's. And with the latter I never ever had to think about replacement costs.
I just sold my gen 2 R8 V10 Plus and bought a 991.2 Turbo S.
A personal thing but I respected the R8 but love the Turbo S. For me it is an everyday car and the R8 was too conspicuous. And too big. And storage too limited. But what an engine.
The Porsche blends in but feels special. I have alcantara seats and yellow contrast stitching to lift the black cabin and the panoramic roof too. The Burmeister and the apple car play are better than the Audi system IMO too.
To drive I don't have any issues threading the turbo around the winding country roads where I live. The R8 felt bigger. The rear wheel steer helps.
But neither is a bad choice and most people would say the R8 is the more special car.
A personal thing but I respected the R8 but love the Turbo S. For me it is an everyday car and the R8 was too conspicuous. And too big. And storage too limited. But what an engine.
The Porsche blends in but feels special. I have alcantara seats and yellow contrast stitching to lift the black cabin and the panoramic roof too. The Burmeister and the apple car play are better than the Audi system IMO too.
To drive I don't have any issues threading the turbo around the winding country roads where I live. The R8 felt bigger. The rear wheel steer helps.
But neither is a bad choice and most people would say the R8 is the more special car.
for a mainly daily car. 991-4 GTS is all you need imo.
get the buckets/PCCB/PDCC/RWS/PDK for the full handling package and you get all the luggage space + actual +2 seating for the complete ultimate sports car. It also helps that it doesn't scream supercar all the time.
I still managed to spec a GTS-4 to 119k easily.
get the buckets/PCCB/PDCC/RWS/PDK for the full handling package and you get all the luggage space + actual +2 seating for the complete ultimate sports car. It also helps that it doesn't scream supercar all the time.
I still managed to spec a GTS-4 to 119k easily.
AndrewD said:
I just sold my gen 2 R8 V10 Plus and bought a 991.2 Turbo S.
A personal thing but I respected the R8 but love the Turbo S. For me it is an everyday car and the R8 was too conspicuous. And too big. And storage too limited. But what an engine.
The Porsche blends in but feels special. I have alcantara seats and yellow contrast stitching to lift the black cabin and the panoramic roof too. The Burmeister and the apple car play are better than the Audi system IMO too.
To drive I don't have any issues threading the turbo around the winding country roads where I live. The R8 felt bigger. The rear wheel steer helps.
But neither is a bad choice and most people would say the R8 is the more special car.
Must be an Andrew thing A personal thing but I respected the R8 but love the Turbo S. For me it is an everyday car and the R8 was too conspicuous. And too big. And storage too limited. But what an engine.
The Porsche blends in but feels special. I have alcantara seats and yellow contrast stitching to lift the black cabin and the panoramic roof too. The Burmeister and the apple car play are better than the Audi system IMO too.
To drive I don't have any issues threading the turbo around the winding country roads where I live. The R8 felt bigger. The rear wheel steer helps.
But neither is a bad choice and most people would say the R8 is the more special car.
Good to know, as I am quite nervous about moving on from the R8 for a number of reasons, mainly because the R8 is REALLY very good in many aspects (mainly to do with the drivetrain, as the engine and the new Quattro system are both spectacular). But there are other reasons behind why I am doing this, some which are not appropriate for here and others simply because the 911 seems a better car in some respects.
Ride quality being one - I'm not sure about you, but I find the R8's ultra-low speed ride (e.g. going over speed bumps) to be the worst of any car I've driven (mine has the dynamic ride) - it boings like theres no damping and leads one to expect it to be all over the place at speed, but it's actually quite exceptional once above 20mph. The suspension is also noisy, like it's got a loose ball joint, but I've driven four different R8's now and all are the same (dealer also claim 'they all do that, sir'). On the whole, the R8 feels like a more fragile car than the two 991's I've recently driven, which itself spoils some of the day to day enjoyment as I tend to find myself artificially holding back.
Really good to read your comments on Burmester, as I do like my in-car audio and would definitely be specifying this as our Caynne had it and I thought it was very good (we have also spec'd it in our imminent Macan too). I actually think the R8's B&O is very good, so encouraging that you believe the 911's system is better.
Edited by Palmball on Sunday 29th January 14:26
Wilmslowboy said:
To confuse matters more..... the answer could be a 'two car solution'
You're not the first, and won't be the last to say that to me. Unfortunately, I don't have the discipline to not use the best car on the driveway everyday hence I always try and find a one-size-fits-all solution. Typically I have succeeded with most of my previous cars (even R8), with maybe only the SLS in my car history not really being appropriate for everyday use.
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