Porsche GT/R/RS market - where is it headed?

[Twinfan]

I picked up the info via posts in various threads here on PH. Mentioned in these three for example:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=163...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=164...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=163...

[boxsey]

Mario149 said:

- powerkitted 991.1 3.4 or 3.8 unit, or possibly even a lower power version of the GT3 engine
- 50kg
- Sports PASM (-20mm) with more road bias than a GT3
- folding buckets
- some GT3 suspension bits
- 911R gearbox
- a bit of unique external/internal style
- LSD

Wouldn't trouble the halo models performance-wise (or the turbo Carrera S for that matter) and would essentially be a parts bin job

Nah...wouldn't sell...they tried that five years ago with the Cayman R.

[isaldiri]

Mario149 said:

If the 991 GT3 and onwards are being designed as supercars, do we think there might be space in the model lineup for a track day 911 a la old GT3? Say a GT3/911R lite priced at Carrera S level? Would be lovely to have a car along the lines of....

- powerkitted 991.1 3.4 or 3.8 unit, or possibly even a lower power version of the GT3 engine
- 50kg
- Sports PASM (-20mm) with more road bias than a GT3
- folding buckets
- some GT3 suspension bits
- 911R gearbox
- a bit of unique external/internal style
- LSD

Wouldn't trouble the halo models performance-wise (or the turbo Carrera S for that matter) and would essentially be a parts bin job

It's called the gt4....

[Mario149]

isaldiri said:

It's called the gt4....

Not in my head. No rear engined-ness, long gears, regular 3.8 engine, maybe too track biased, no possibility of rear seats

[IMI A]

These were always looking undervalued to me....sit down before hitting the link

http://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Por...

[lemmingjames]

Similar price for the mk1 that went to auction at the recent paris shindig

[MDL111]

IMI A said:

These were always looking undervalued to me....sit down before hitting the link

http://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Por...

Lovely, very low mileage. I do not think that is a smart purchase if buying as investment. If buying to drive, it is probably pretty close to getting a new 996 in 2017 - still cheaper than a 991 GT3 and possibly the better/purer/more fun driving experience

[g7jhp]

MDL111 said:

Lovely, very low mileage. I do not think that is a smart purchase if buying as investment. If buying to drive, it is probably pretty close to getting a new 996 in 2017 - still cheaper than a 991 GT3 and possibly the better/purer/more fun driving experience

If buying to drive you'd take a 30k mile example, save £50k and spend the saving on petrol and upgrades/refresh when required.

[v8ksn]

RSVP911 said:

I love your car - stunning - bet you're glad you didn't let it go in the end

Damm right I am!

[RSVP911]

v8ksn said:

Damm right I am!

It was touch and go last year - a nail biter ; glad you held firm - spring is on its way !!

[Slippydiff]

g7jhp said:

If buying to drive you'd take a 30k mile example, save £50k and spend the saving on petrol and upgrades/refresh when required.

^ This.

[MDL111]

g7jhp said:

MDL111 said:

Lovely, very low mileage. I do not think that is a smart purchase if buying as investment. If buying to drive, it is probably pretty close to getting a new 996 in 2017 - still cheaper than a 991 GT3 and possibly the better/purer/more fun driving experience

If buying to drive you'd take a 30k mile example, save £50k and spend the saving on petrol and upgrades/refresh when required.

Fully agree, but some people prefer buying "newish" cars in the sense of hardly used.

[ChrisW.]

lemmingjames said:

Similar price for the mk1 that went to auction at the recent paris shindig

Except that car, lovely as it was, had comfort bucket seats ... so not quite right and of course, LHD.

[ttdan]

g7jhp said:

MDL111 said:

Lovely, very low mileage. I do not think that is a smart purchase if buying as investment. If buying to drive, it is probably pretty close to getting a new 996 in 2017 - still cheaper than a 991 GT3 and possibly the better/purer/more fun driving experience

If buying to drive you'd take a 30k mile example, save £50k and spend the saving on petrol and upgrades/refresh when required.

You wouldn't because there aren't any for sale.

[squirdan]

funny old game all these inflating prices ...

and yet, I am looking at a 997.1 GT3, the spec is v good, its from an OPC, comes with 2 years warranty, and has been on the market since at least November last year

was originally up for £90k (37k miles, clubsport, 4 owners)

and now advertised at £85k

which doesnt look the wrong price to me

but clearly not a sniff of a buyer in over 3 months....

[squirdan]

ttdan said:

g7jhp said:

MDL111 said:

Lovely, very low mileage. I do not think that is a smart purchase if buying as investment. If buying to drive, it is probably pretty close to getting a new 996 in 2017 - still cheaper than a 991 GT3 and possibly the better/purer/more fun driving experience

If buying to drive you'd take a 30k mile example, save £50k and spend the saving on petrol and upgrades/refresh when required.

You wouldn't because there aren't any for sale.

There's one at Cameron Sportscars with 39k.

[Mario149]

squirdan said:

funny old game all these inflating prices ...

and yet, I am looking at a 997.1 GT3, the spec is v good, its from an OPC, comes with 2 years warranty, and has been on the market since at least November last year

was originally up for £90k (37k miles, clubsport, 4 owners)

and now advertised at £85k

which doesnt look the wrong price to me

but clearly not a sniff of a buyer in over 3 months....

I'm not sure they're selling at or near their advertised prices. Anyone who has offered their 7GT3 to a dealer in p/x or trade sale would probably concur given my experience a year or so ago. Suspect there's a bit of a car selling version of the Peter Principle going on at dealers.

[Digga]

Mario149 said:

I'm not sure they're selling at or near their advertised prices. Anyone who has offered their 7GT3 to a dealer in p/x or trade sale would probably concur given my experience a year or so ago. Suspect there's a bit of a car selling version of the Peter Principle going on at dealers.

Swiss Tony said:

To be a good car salesman, you have to let the customer think he has the biggest peter, but you have to know yours is bigger.[quote]

[Mario149]

Digga said:

Mario149 said:

I'm not sure they're selling at or near their advertised prices. Anyone who has offered their 7GT3 to a dealer in p/x or trade sale would probably concur given my experience a year or so ago. Suspect there's a bit of a car selling version of the Peter Principle going on at dealers.

Swiss Tony said:

To be a good car salesman, you have to let the customer think he has the biggest peter, but you have to know yours is bigger.[quote]

[lboase]

MDL111 said:

IMI A said:

These were always looking undervalued to me....sit down before hitting the link

http://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Por...

Lovely, very low mileage. I do not think that is a smart purchase if buying as investment. If buying to drive, it is probably pretty close to getting a new 996 in 2017 - still cheaper than a 991 GT3 and possibly the better/purer/more fun driving experience

Sold already. 😲