Jag XF Supercharged

[miniman]

Will be in the market for a family car in the next few months. Quite likely to be a Disco 3 but then I got browsing Jag XFs. The Supercharged ones all seem low mileage which probably answers the fuel economy question but my commute is 10 miles so not so worried.

Ruinously expensive in all other ways?

[craigjm]

What age are you considering? I had a 2008 XF and it was, sad to say, the worst quality car that I have ever had and it was forever in the garage and bits breaking, falling off, not working etc. In the end the bought it back off me but only after quite a fight. I have heard better things about the facelift cars.

[Alucidnation]

I would avoid any Jag like the plague.

[miniman]

Probably £12k ish.

[schmalex]

craigjm said:

What age are you considering? I had a 2008 XF and it was, sad to say, the worst quality car that I have ever had and it was forever in the garage and bits breaking, falling off, not working etc. In the end the bought it back off me but only after quite a fight. I have heard better things about the facelift cars.

Good to see nothing changes at Jaguar. We have a 15 plate XE that's takes the crown as the worst quality car we ever had the displeasure of owning. It's spent close to half its life in the dealers getting various bits fixed - we got it back from its last visit on Thursday, but it'll be going back again pdq, as Jaguar have, once again, failed to resolve their poor quality workmanship and even worse quality control.

[craigjm]

miniman said:

Probably £12k ish.

OK so the whole of autotrader only has one for sale in that bracket and its a really early one like mine was. Not for me im afraid, if I was going to go down that route it would have to be a 5.0 Facelift so they at least have sorted out some of the issues and they appear to start at about 25k

[miniman]

OK so what do we think of the V6?

[craigjm]

miniman said:

OK so what do we think of the V6?

v6 petrol is too underpowered for the car. The v6 diesel is a good engine especially in 3.0 form which was available from about 9 months after launch. The best spec to go for if you cant stretch to a decent supercharged would be a 3.0 diesel S portfolio. A quick look on AT suggests you need 17k ish for a facelift though.

[craigjm]

BenjiS said:

craigjm said:

v6 petrol is too underpowered for the car.

With respect, bks.

I've got the petrol v6, and if you think 380bhp and 450Nm torque is underpowered, then I'm not sure what you think is right. It'll do 60 in 5.1 seconds and the usual 155.

But you're talking about the older ones, and even those were even with the diesels, just drove in a different way.

For the OPs budget he could look at an early 4.2 SV8 though, they're pretty bulletproof.

I am indeed talking about the older engines and yes they were even with the diesels on 0-60 but torque was down so on the move they dont feel as fast and virtually nobody bought them because of the much superior MPG of the diesels. So, with respect your talk of 380bhp and all that blah is bks and just dick waving about "look at me I have the latest model" in a thread where someone is talking limited budget.

[ali_XFR]

I had an SV8 for about 6 months in 2013. 08 car with 50k on the clock. Decent drive, remove the rear badge and you can't tell it apart from the cooking models. Went well, no obvious reliability issues. I overpaid by about £500 as I bought as an approved used but budget for a gearbox fluid change between 50-80k mileage (preventative) and it should be fairly reliable.
I tried the diesel at the time but preferred the power delivery of the supercharged petrol. Invest in a Set of back boxes and you can really open up the sound of the V8. Had to sell as changed jobs and commute was much longer, but went back to a supercharged XF a little while later, but the full fat R which aren't quite sub £12k yet

[ericmcn]

I have been eying up an XF as a replacement for my Subaru, not any time soon but maybe in 2018, I would definately want the super charged and probably a 2010/11 model.

Surprsied the older ones have reliability issues, thought Jag upped the ante.

I do like the XF supercharged as aside from the obvious selling points it looks a bit normal and sedated and not too outlandish.

I dont tend to get 'in your face' cars which is probably why i am driving a 3 litre Scooby now that most people think is probably a 1.6

[ZX10R NIN]

Does it have to be the supercharged XF? The reason I say that you could get a very nice N/A version of the XF for that money admittedly with 300 rather than 410bhp but I think it would be worth trying one.

4.2
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

SV8
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

[miniman]

ZX10R NIN said:

Does it have to be the supercharged XF? The reason I say that you could get a very nice N/A version of the XF for that money admittedly with 300 rather than 410bhp but I think it would be worth trying one.

4.2
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

SV8
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Yeah I saw both of those. Not so sure about the silver one, it looks suspiciously low. The black one looks nice and comes with the (theoretical) backup of being dealer-supplied. The more I look, the more I fancy one.

[craigjm]

I wouldn't bother with an NA 4.2 because it's not as quick as the SC but is pretty much as thirsty and when you try and sell it they are probably the least wanted model.
If it was my money and you had to have an XF I would go with either the best specced diesel you can find for your money or save a bit more for a decent SC. Preferably though I would go for a facelift in either type so that may require a bit more saving all round.

[miniman]

So assuming some V8 wafting is on the menu, what others are worth considering? 7 series?

[craigjm]

miniman said:

So assuming some V8 wafting is on the menu, what others are worth considering? 7 series?

Why do you want a v8? the reason I ask is because in the generation of cars you are looking at they are about as inviting as a dose of the clap to most people and therefore there are not many around to choose from.

What do you consider wafting? I can tell you now that an XF on 19 inch or bigger wheels is far from the wafty experience that you might equate with jaguars of old and if a car has a German badge on it then it would be even less so. I think, in reality, a v8 wafter these days is limited to something like a Lexus LS because the word waft has been crossed out in most manufacturers dictionary to be replaced with sporty.

[miniman]

Auto. Enough power and torque to get moving if required. 3 kids across the back.

[craigjm]

look at all the usual suspects then A6/A8, 5/7, XF/XJ, GS/LS, E/S etc. Trouble is that you will find 90% of them in your time frame will be diesel.

[ZX10R NIN]

Craig seems to have had a very bad experience with his Jag but they're not all like that, if you decide not to go for the Jag then a CLS/E Class are worth a look but won't be making the BHP as most will be N/A unless you fancy a full fat AMG.

I love a V8 that noise as you start it up is great I can't get enough of them.

2008 SV8 75k
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

2008 CLS500 (5.5) 390bhp 72k FMBSH

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

2005 CLS55 AMG 500bhp 55k

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

2003 E55 AMG 480bhp 84k FMBSH

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

2007 550i Sport 370bhp 88k FBMWSH

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...


I'd still take a look at the Jag performance & maintenance wise the AMG's are a bit more maintenance but another chunk of performance, the CLS500 is a nice compromise with the performance it can deliver.

[craigjm]

ZX10R NIN said:

Craig seems to have had a very bad experience with his Jag but they're not all like that

Indeed not and I would never dissuade anyone from buying one just go in with their eyes open and know what to look for. Same can be said of just about any car maker though although jaguar have always been very good at making great cars, badly.