Red Bull in 2017

Red Bull in 2017

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audi321

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5,156 posts

212 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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So my money is on them to come out with the Constructors. Adrian Newey must have been waiting for this time for the past 3 years, and I reckon now it's as much about aero than engines, Red Bull will romp it.

Discuss..........

BrettMRC

4,037 posts

159 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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I think its more about who has the most complete package... Red Bull are not a manufacturer team, nor will they be for some time the way they treated Renault.

I suspect RB to pick up a few points, but I reckon Mercedes will remain dominant, with 2/3rd a close fight between Ferrari & Red Bull.

After that it will be a 3 way between Williams/Mclaren/Renault. (Depending on if Honda have the goods power wise)

kambites

67,461 posts

220 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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Is Newey still actively involved in their car design?

I suspect the Redbull will continue to be the best chassis, possibly even extending their lead in that regard... but I'd be surprised if Renault made enough of an improvement to the power plant for them to challenge Mercedes for the championship.

rdjohn

6,135 posts

194 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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I think Red Bull's one-lap performance could mean that they are regularly fighting for poles.

However, over a race distance, more drag requires more power (energy) and so the balance will revert to Mercedes. Monaco should easily be in RB territory, like last year, which proves that you also have to get everything right - and M-B are pretty strong there.

I remain very hopeful that 2017 will produce a more exciting WCC than the last 3-years.

kambites

67,461 posts

220 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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rdjohn said:
I remain very hopeful that 2017 will produce a more exciting WCC than the last 3-years.
It could hardly be less exciting, could it? hehe

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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I'll be quite surprised if RBR don't dominate.

The formula is now heavily aero dependent, aero wise they have always been very good, in no small part due to the continued presence of a certain Mr Newey. Not only has the rule book tipped in their favour they actually formulated most of the rules - do you really think any team would do that in a fair way ? of course not. They'll have some tricks up their sleeves.

I think we'll see another Vettel-Webber scenario. Verstappen is Marko's golden boy and would appear to be faster than Danny, but maybe not quite as adaptable. The car will be on point and when all in control the crew cockups will subside.

Provided the Renault doesn't grenade itself frequently I really do think they are odds on for titles.

Derek Smith

45,514 posts

247 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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rdjohn said:
I think Red Bull's one-lap performance could mean that they are regularly fighting for poles.

However, over a race distance, more drag requires more power (energy) and so the balance will revert to Mercedes. Monaco should easily be in RB territory, like last year, which proves that you also have to get everything right - and M-B are pretty strong there.

I remain very hopeful that 2017 will produce a more exciting WCC than the last 3-years.
Does anyone care about the WCC? Ferrari aficionados say they do if their driver stands no chance at the WDC, but no one believes them.




Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

151 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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I think amongst real purists it matters.

Amongst the vast majority it's a consolation prize at best

audi321

Original Poster:

5,156 posts

212 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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I reckon it'll be RBR all the way in 2017. Daniel Ric is my favourite driver in F1 for some years. I wish others had his personality and I really hope he's got a car which will challenge the Mercs in 2017.

DanielSan

18,747 posts

166 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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RBR won't dominate but it does sound like the Renault lump does have more grunt, and combined with a huge reg change and a Newey lead design they'll certainly be in the mix for regular wins especially as they have by far the best driver pairing imo.

kambites

67,461 posts

220 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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Derek Smith said:
Does anyone care about the WCC? Ferrari aficionados say they do if their driver stands no chance at the WDC, but no one believes them.
The teams certainly do! It's what determines how much money they get.

For me, the two are about equal in terms of interest. I've always found F1 more interesting in terms of technology and engineering than racing but on the other hand it's far rarer for the WCC battle to actually be close than the WDC one.

Derek Smith

45,514 posts

247 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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kambites said:
Derek Smith said:
Does anyone care about the WCC? Ferrari aficionados say they do if their driver stands no chance at the WDC, but no one believes them.
The teams certainly do! It's what determines how much money they get.

For me, the two are about equal in terms of interest. I've always found F1 more interesting in terms of technology and engineering than racing but on the other hand it's far rarer for the WCC battle to actually be close than the WDC one.
I was referring to the fans rather than the constructors themselves.

I've followed teams rather than drivers for some years now, starting with Lotus, moving on to Brabham and the McLaren, but I've never bothered about the WCC. That said, I think the WDC is too artificial to worry about.

Some Gump

12,671 posts

185 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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Yes, I care about the world constructors, I find it interesting.
I also enjoy the world titles in WEC, which is often way less clear cut than f1. At the end of the season, 3 GTE manufacturers could have taken it, in the end Aston did but they didn't get wdc in class.

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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So apparently STR were doing their promo running today and the Renault engine went pop. Oops.

I really do hope we aren't going to have Horner whining on TV like a 6 year old every race weekend again..

RBH58

969 posts

134 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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Crafty_ said:
I think we'll see another Vettel-Webber scenario. Verstappen is Marko's golden boy and would appear to be faster than Danny, but maybe not quite as adaptable. The car will be on point and when all in control the crew cockups will subside.
As an Aussie, I hope not. But I think Dan has a very different temperament to Webber and will handle it better.

KevinCamaroSS

11,555 posts

279 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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RBH58 said:
Crafty_ said:
I think we'll see another Vettel-Webber scenario. Verstappen is Marko's golden boy and would appear to be faster than Danny, but maybe not quite as adaptable. The car will be on point and when all in control the crew cockups will subside.
As an Aussie, I hope not. But I think Dan has a very different temperament to Webber and will handle it better.
Dan is part of the RB academy, whereas Mark W was not.

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

226 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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KevinCamaroSS said:
Dan is part of the RB academy, whereas Mark W was not.
And if not treated fairly I think Dan will have opportunities to walk into another championship contending manufacturer with equal or number 1 status - Mark would've only got that status by moving down the grid.

rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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Not sure we'll really know until the second race of the season. We haven't seen the final spec of any of the front-running cars yet and whilst aero is more important now, that's at the expense of drag...which will be overcome most effectively by thr most powerful engine, which I still think will be the Mercedes.

TheInternet

4,703 posts

162 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Mr_Thyroid said:
And if not treated fairly I think Dan will have opportunities to walk into another championship contending manufacturer with equal or number 1 status..
Daniel at Merc 2018 if Botty doesn't perform then? Vettel wouldn't let him join Ferrari for another humiliation.

RXED

360 posts

189 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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TheInternet said:
Daniel at Merc 2018 if Botty doesn't perform then? Vettel wouldn't let him join Ferrari for another humiliation.
Dan is good, but would never humiliate Seb in a Ferrari. They would be close, but Seb is a master of an aero designed car, as this years cars are.

When they were team mates, I am certain Seb lifted off a little in order to trigger his performance clause to release him from his contract, in order to wear red the following year. I'm not sure why he gets so much stick after being a four times world champion, regardless of him being in a dominant (less so than the great Lewis's Merc) car.