991.2 GT3 - Colours. Spec. Q+A. etc etc..

[Taffy66]

Fokker said:

You should make a video akin the the Taxtherich' ones with a drive that long John!
I'll happily do the filming!

It's interesting that your first impression after time out of the seat is the gearbox. That's my fondest memory of the old gt4 and why I'm collecting another one at the end of this week. The GTS is lovely but I want more of a weekend fun toy experience this summer hence the GTS is going to a new home reluctantly. We'll have to get together possibly with Iwan if he's free for a Sunday blast?

I'm in two minds about pccb's. My other colour choice is jet black metallic and with platinum wheels and yellow calipers it looks the dogs plus I've never tried pccb's so a new experience would be good.

Edited by Fokker on Sunday 26th March 11:38

My asphalt drive is long enough to get some speed up before i hit the public highway, unfortunately if another member of the family has shut the entrance gate and i'm going up the the drive at 60mph on still wet Pccbs it can make for a heart in mouth experience..!
The fact you have chopped your GTS for another GT4 has helped me make the decision on keeping my GT4 to run alongside my imminent 991.2GTS coupe PDK in case i make the same mistake..Jet black will look awesome on the GT3 esp with yellow brakes but not an option for myself as i'm sick of the upkeep on black cars hence my two new Porsches arriving in May will be white and GT silver.
If you haven't tried Pccb's then it technically makes you a brake virgin because once you experience them you'll be addicted and will never look back and only your bank manager will never forgive you...!

[tuffer]

Cheib said:

If you like that one check out this one on Rennlist

http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-and-911r/...

I absolutely love it...the attention to detail/thought that has gone in is very impressive. Clearly on an R it's irrelevant but the CXX options must have cost a bomb!

I really like the black bonnet with silver stripes but I shouldn't!

$60K on custom interior tailoring!!!!!!!

[Fokker]

Cheib said:

If you like that one check out this one on Rennlist

http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-and-911r/...

I absolutely love it...the attention to detail/thought that has gone in is very impressive. Clearly on an R it's irrelevant but the CXX options must have cost a bomb!

I really like the black bonnet with silver stripes but I shouldn't!

Very nice Chieb. £60000 for special tayloring!
I actually prefer the McQueen one but both are lovely. The McQueen one is Slate Grey PTS but hey black metallic would give a similar look. I'd just had to avoid too much red on the inside and keep it more grey apart from the cvs harnesses but then I could swap these for black and yellow ones later on.

[Fokker]

Taffy66 said:

My asphalt drive is long enough to get some speed up before i hit the public highway, unfortunately if another member of the family has shut the entrance gate and i'm going up the the drive at 60mph on still wet Pccbs it can make for a heart in mouth experience..!
The fact you have chopped your GTS for another GT4 has helped me make the decision on keeping my GT4 to run alongside my imminent 991.2GTS coupe PDK in case i make the same mistake..Jet black will look awesome on the GT3 esp with yellow brakes but not an option for myself as i'm sick of the upkeep on black cars hence my two new Porsches arriving in May will be white and GT silver.
If you haven't tried Pccb's then it technically makes you a brake virgin because once you experience them you'll be addicted and will never look back and only your bank manager will never forgive you...!

Is the drive wide enough to get two cars side by side? Just thinking a little competition might be fun!
Most people will agree but after selling my gt4 and paying over £90k for a 911 GTS, it's hit me even more squarely in the face as to just what amazing value they are at 65k plus options.

Av185 aboue mentions stones in the calipers. I had a stone in my last gt4 caliper and the opc removed it for me. It's happened to be a few times over the years and would be at the back of my mind if I had pccb's. Surely Porsche would look favourably on the situation if it had caused enough damage that it needed to be replaced and offer to at least half fund a new disc? Does anyone know of any issues in the past where this has actually happened? It just seems absurd to me that such an expensive item is at the complete mercy of a small rock?

[Tony 1234]

Koln-RS said:

sidicks said:

Tony 1234 said:

I had PCCB's and Zenons in spec origionally but I'll not be tracking the car that's why I deleted PCCB's but still thinking about adding back in however I don't think I'll get the £6.4k back on resale?

There's plenty of people who would argue that's exactly why you should get PCCB!

I think that's exactly true, for all GTs. PCCBs for road and occasional track, steels for regular track. And I think they do add value in the s/h market.
Don't know the stats, but if IIRC, it tends to be 60:40 PCCBs:Steels when new, so you would expect the s/h market demand to be similar.

PCCB's added in again, thanks for all the comments and just confirmed my thoughts

[Geneve]

Fokker said:

Av185 aboue mentions stones in the calipers. I had a stone in my last gt4 caliper and the opc removed it for me. It's happened to be a few times over the years and would be at the back of my mind if I had pccb's. Surely Porsche would look favourably on the situation if it had caused enough damage that it needed to be replaced and offer to at least half fund a new disc? Does anyone know of any issues in the past where this has actually happened? It just seems absurd to me that such an expensive item is at the complete mercy of a small rock?

I've never heard of it, but I doubt if it would be covered under warranty. However, it would (should) be covered under your car insurance, in exactly the same way as a disc is covered if it is damaged falling off a jack or involved in an accident, or the windscreen or paintwork is covered if hit by a flying stone. Mine are.

[Slippydiff]

Fokker said:

Av185 aboue mentions stones in the calipers. I had a stone in my last gt4 caliper and the opc removed it for me. It's happened to be a few times over the years and would be at the back of my mind if I had pccb's. Surely Porsche would look favourably on the situation if it had caused enough damage that it needed to be replaced and offer to at least half fund a new disc? Does anyone know of any issues in the past where this has actually happened? It just seems absurd to me that such an expensive item is at the complete mercy of a small rock?

They get sniffy about replacing impact damaged radiators, so I suspect you'd have two hopes of them replacing £3k's worth of stone damaged PCCB, Bob and ........

Ferrari fitted these to the 599GTO, may have been to reduce the chances of trapped stones, but they've not used them since.

[Phooey]

Slippydiff said:

Get out! They look st. If I'm paying an extra £6.5k for fancy brakes, I'd at least want everyone to see them

[Fokker]

Geneve said:

I've never heard of it, but I doubt if it would be covered under warranty. However, it would (should) be covered under your car insurance, in exactly the same way as a disc is covered if it is damaged falling off a jack or involved in an accident, or the windscreen or paintwork is covered if hit by a flying stone. Mine are.

Thanks, that's a good point. I'll check with my insurance company. I'm with Mannings who are pretty popular on here.

[Fokker]

Slippydiff said:

They get sniffy about replacing impact damaged radiators, so I suspect you'd have two hopes of them replacing £3k's worth of stone damaged PCCB, Bob and ........

Ferrari fitted these to the 599GTO, may have been to reduce the chances of trapped stones, but they've not used them since.

God that does look awful!

The last thing I want is to be precious about owning and driving it as for me that'll ruin the experience.

[Taffy66]

Geneve said:

I've never heard of it, but I doubt if it would be covered under warranty. However, it would (should) be covered under your car insurance, in exactly the same way as a disc is covered if it is damaged falling off a jack or involved in an accident, or the windscreen or paintwork is covered if hit by a flying stone. Mine are.

Very good point which should be obvious but have never read about or even occurred to me..! This imo makes picking Pccbs a much more attractive proposition without the monetary risks...

[breadvan]

I still fancy this if no PTS is available.

Current thinking is this with satin aluminium wheels and PCCBs. I'm keeping the interior as business like as possible, I really noticed this in the Geneva car - stripped out as much as possible, looked great. Funnily enough, the first thing I noticed was the alcantatra sun visors.

[Geneve]

Taffy66 said:

Geneve said:

I've never heard of it, but I doubt if it would be covered under warranty. However, it would (should) be covered under your car insurance, in exactly the same way as a disc is covered if it is damaged falling off a jack or involved in an accident, or the windscreen or paintwork is covered if hit by a flying stone. Mine are.

Very good point which should be obvious but have never read about or even occurred to me..! This imo makes picking Pccbs a much more attractive proposition without the monetary risks...

Just to clarify; your insurance should cover the 'damage' not 'normal wear and tear'. And, being a consumable, what they pay out may be proportional to the life remaining - i.e. if you've done, say, 10k mls, they should cover pretty much the full replacement costs, but at, say, 100k mls they may argue that they will only contribute a proportion.

[Slippydiff]

Phooey said:

Get out! They look st. If I'm paying an extra £6.5k for fancy brakes, I'd at least want everyone to see them

I think you may be missing the point of ceramic brakes

[Slippydiff]

Fokker said:

God that does look awful!

The last thing I want is to be precious about owning and driving it as for me that'll ruin the experience.

If it's a genuine concern for you, there's an easy way to find out, start a thread asking how many owners have had replacement PCCB discs as a result of stone damage.

Clue, there'll be none ..... (or such a tiny proportion, it won't be worth worrying about)

[Fokker]

Slippydiff said:

If it's a genuine concern for you, there's an easy way to find out, start a thread asking how many owners have had replacement PCCB discs as a result of stone damage.

Clue, there'll be none ..... (or such a tiny proportion, it won't be worth worrying about)

Indeed, that's my thinking too. You'll find someone that's had an issue but in the main it should be anything to worry about.

[Geneve]

Yes, I've had pccbs on my last five sporting Porsches - all the benefits and no issues, and I'd say they are better than steels when cold and wet. Obviously, if you search the web you may find some horror stories, but they will be extremely isolated - mostly related to the very first 'Gen 1' derivatives (pre-2006).

[IREvans]

Yes, I too have covered many thousands of miles in various 911s and Caymans with PCCB. I prefer the pedal feel, particularly the initial bite, and don't see any disadvantages.

I don't dispute that debris could get stuck between pad and disk, but it such an unlikely event; and besides, life's too short to worry about such eventualities.....

[Porsche911R]

IREvans said:

Yes, I too have covered many thousands of miles in various 911s and Caymans with PCCB. I prefer the pedal feel, particularly the initial bite, and don't see any disadvantages.

I don't dispute that debris could get stuck between pad and disk, but it such an unlikely event; and besides, life's too short to worry about such eventualities.....

most reviews say initial bite is less as they need a bit of heat in the disk esp wet initial bite, the disadvantage is cost of course and extra wear on track.

I run one car with PCCB and it's great, but so are the iron disks with RS29 pads (and more initial bite with the after market pad) my Iron disk is £79 to replace the PCCB is £4k and most 997 GT3 you see for sale seem to have worn out PCCB's if on the car even if only on 10k miles. They really don't like the heat and while they work to hotter temps they fall apart !
A great road only option, but again most people on the road paying £6.5k for them never see the advantage of 80k road miles as the 1st user.

So the disadvantage are quite clear, COST, track use kills them, wet initial bite, size so no downsizing for winter wheels.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 27th March 08:50

[Phooey]

CCB technology has come on quite a lot recently hasn't it? With regards to "less initial bite" - I thought Porsche had one of the best CCB set ups in a production car? I've heard mixed reviews from other manufacturers (McLaren?) re low-speed pedal feel but didn't think the latest gen of PCCB's suffer this? And re "track use kills them" - yeah maybe if you're a heavy track user, but then if you are you should probably be using aftermarket kit anyway? There's other benefits of CCB's too like unsprung weight, pad longevity and lack of brake dust. I'm not saying they're exactly vfm at £6.5k lol but they are fast gaining in popularity and desirability and I am a CCB fan boy so there

Edited by Phooey on Monday 27th March 09:46