991.2 GT3 - Colours. Spec. Q+A. etc etc..
Discussion
my PCCB are on 30K, and the car has been heavily tracked.
no significant signs of wear.
Given the choice (and £) I'd always go for PCCB now.
yes, when the car is v wet (i.e. after washing), there can be that heart sopping moment when you forget that they need a firm push !
other than that - nothing negative to say.
no significant signs of wear.
Given the choice (and £) I'd always go for PCCB now.
yes, when the car is v wet (i.e. after washing), there can be that heart sopping moment when you forget that they need a firm push !
other than that - nothing negative to say.
Geneve said:
I've never heard of it, but I doubt if it would be covered under warranty. However, it would (should) be covered under your car insurance, in exactly the same way as a disc is covered if it is damaged falling off a jack or involved in an accident, or the windscreen or paintwork is covered if hit by a flying stone. Mine are.
I spoke to Mannings Insurance this morning and they advised that a damaged PCCB disc due to stone caught in the caliper isn't covered under the insurance policy.They have gone away to speak to the underwriter to get a more in-depth explanation as to why.
Phooey said:
CCB technology has come on quite a lot recently hasn't it? With regards to "less initial bite" - I thought Porsche had one of the best CCB set ups in a production car? I've heard mixed reviews from other manufacturers (McLaren?) re low-speed pedal feel but didn't think the latest gen of PCCB's suffer this? And re "track use kills them" - yeah maybe if you're a heavy track user, but then if you are you should probably be using aftermarket kit anyway? There's other benefits of CCB's too like unsprung weight, pad longevity and lack of brake dust. I'm not saying they're exactly vfm at £6.5k lol but they are fast gaining in popularity and desirability and I am a CCB fan boy so there 
I have Pccbs on my GT4 which i love and at £4977 an absolute steal imo..The only cons regarding Pccbs on a road car is not having to depend on them in an emergency situation straight after washing the car..!.However if the car is bought mostly for track work for me they would hinder progress as there would always be a nagging doubt in my mind about wear and gravel traps etc.. Edited by Phooey on Monday 27th March 09:46
On my GT3.2 i would spec Pccbs before any other option because i already know the benefits and going back to steels would be a retrograde step despite having to pay the princely sum of £6.5K+. However mine would be mainly roadwork with minimal trackwork otherwise it would be steels all the way with ragid pads..
Regarding gearbox choice and my personal indifference whether i get PDKs or manual as i love both equally for different reasons.Assuming Porsche have pre-determined demand for the manual being roughly 30-40% and using some polls as a guide then i think there are going to be a lot of disappointed manual hopefuls as Porsche would already ordered the gearboxes well in advance of commencing production..I suppose i'm lucky in that regard....!.
Seems a lot of PCCB converts :-)
pad longevity is not quite true as it's recommended to replace pads 1/2 worn, again a heat issue to save the disks !! and the PADS cost more !
after market kit on a new GT3, no one is going to do that, it's classed as a track car and now has a race engine, I am torn on PCCB as I do like the looks and less dust, but the bloody cost and looking after is not nice and the track use still seems iffy, try selling a GT3 with after market disks in 12 months !
People say race car for the road but no Porsche race car I know runs CCB, and higher up the scale race cars use full Carbon disks not this mix of material which they do to try and get bite at lower heat.
One might even say does the CCB have a place on a GT3 ?, because one might say if you are not doing track days a GTS is the better car.
even the RSR does not use CCB, is it the vein choice :-) because owning a GT3 and tracking, CCB seems very much the wrong choice !
the PEC boys will talk you into unsprung weight, but if that were the case all race cars would use them ! the RSR have taken great steps forward, they put the engine in the right place (like a GT4), stripped out all the weight, but..... they still run steels ;-)
Is the Public being conned with this £6.5k option ! the GT4 did not need it, but many people option it and back up the option with so called unsprung weight advantage !
carbon ceramic discs are little more than a tidy earner for the car manufacturers it seems atm, not race proven and once worn £20k for a set of disks !
Not many people would spec PCCB for personal use if the car did not fetch overs !
will I spec them, well yes !!, as the car will fetch overs and rich people want PCCB on their cars for looks, so one has to spec with resale in mind at this market ! and in the mean time, I'll enjoy easier wheel cleaning and pose factor !! because that's all you are buying !
pad longevity is not quite true as it's recommended to replace pads 1/2 worn, again a heat issue to save the disks !! and the PADS cost more !
after market kit on a new GT3, no one is going to do that, it's classed as a track car and now has a race engine, I am torn on PCCB as I do like the looks and less dust, but the bloody cost and looking after is not nice and the track use still seems iffy, try selling a GT3 with after market disks in 12 months !
People say race car for the road but no Porsche race car I know runs CCB, and higher up the scale race cars use full Carbon disks not this mix of material which they do to try and get bite at lower heat.
One might even say does the CCB have a place on a GT3 ?, because one might say if you are not doing track days a GTS is the better car.
even the RSR does not use CCB, is it the vein choice :-) because owning a GT3 and tracking, CCB seems very much the wrong choice !
the PEC boys will talk you into unsprung weight, but if that were the case all race cars would use them ! the RSR have taken great steps forward, they put the engine in the right place (like a GT4), stripped out all the weight, but..... they still run steels ;-)
Is the Public being conned with this £6.5k option ! the GT4 did not need it, but many people option it and back up the option with so called unsprung weight advantage !
carbon ceramic discs are little more than a tidy earner for the car manufacturers it seems atm, not race proven and once worn £20k for a set of disks !
Not many people would spec PCCB for personal use if the car did not fetch overs !
will I spec them, well yes !!, as the car will fetch overs and rich people want PCCB on their cars for looks, so one has to spec with resale in mind at this market ! and in the mean time, I'll enjoy easier wheel cleaning and pose factor !! because that's all you are buying !
Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 27th March 10:35
Porsche911R said:
Seems a lot of PCCB converts :-)
pad longevity is not quite true as it's recommended to replace pads 1/2 worn, again a heat issue to save the disks !! and the PADS cost more !
after market kit on a new GT3, no one is going to do that, it's classed as a track car and now has a race engine, I am torn on PCCB as I do like the looks and less dust, but the bloody cost and looking after is not nice and the track use still seems iffy, try selling a GT3 with after market disks in 12 months !
People say race car for the road but no Porsche race car I know runs CCB, and higher up the scale race cars use full Carbon disks not this mix of material which they do to try and get bite at lower heat.
One might even say does the CCB have a place on a GT3 ?, because one might say if you are not doing track days a GTS is the better car.
even the RSR does not use CCB, is it the vein choice :-) because owning a GT3 and tracking, CCB seems very much the wrong choice !
the PEC boys will talk you into unsprung weight, but if that were the case all race cars would use them ! the RSR have taken great steps forward, they put the engine in the right place (like a GT4), stripped out all the weight, but..... they still run steels ;-)
Is the Public being conned with this £6.5k option ! the GT4 did not need it, but many people option it and back up the option with so called unsprung weight advantage !
carbon ceramic discs are little more than a tidy earner for the car manufacturers it seems atm, not race proven and once worn £20k for a set of disks !
Not many people would spec PCCB for personal use if the car did not fetch overs !
will I spec them, well yes !!, as the car will fetch overs and rich people want PCCB on their cars for looks, so one has to spec with resale in mind at this market ! and in the mean time, I'll enjoy easier wheel cleaning and pose factor !! because that's all you are buying !
Totally agree, ceramics are for vanity.pad longevity is not quite true as it's recommended to replace pads 1/2 worn, again a heat issue to save the disks !! and the PADS cost more !
after market kit on a new GT3, no one is going to do that, it's classed as a track car and now has a race engine, I am torn on PCCB as I do like the looks and less dust, but the bloody cost and looking after is not nice and the track use still seems iffy, try selling a GT3 with after market disks in 12 months !
People say race car for the road but no Porsche race car I know runs CCB, and higher up the scale race cars use full Carbon disks not this mix of material which they do to try and get bite at lower heat.
One might even say does the CCB have a place on a GT3 ?, because one might say if you are not doing track days a GTS is the better car.
even the RSR does not use CCB, is it the vein choice :-) because owning a GT3 and tracking, CCB seems very much the wrong choice !
the PEC boys will talk you into unsprung weight, but if that were the case all race cars would use them ! the RSR have taken great steps forward, they put the engine in the right place (like a GT4), stripped out all the weight, but..... they still run steels ;-)
Is the Public being conned with this £6.5k option ! the GT4 did not need it, but many people option it and back up the option with so called unsprung weight advantage !
carbon ceramic discs are little more than a tidy earner for the car manufacturers it seems atm, not race proven and once worn £20k for a set of disks !
Not many people would spec PCCB for personal use if the car did not fetch overs !
will I spec them, well yes !!, as the car will fetch overs and rich people want PCCB on their cars for looks, so one has to spec with resale in mind at this market ! and in the mean time, I'll enjoy easier wheel cleaning and pose factor !! because that's all you are buying !
Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 27th March 10:35
I've had a GTS cab on steel brakes and after many miles ragging the arse off it round alpine passes never once had I thought the brakes were anything other than perfect, I've now got a turbo s with ceramics and they are a little grabby at normal speeds.
Porsche911R said:
People say race car for the road but no Porsche race car I know runs CCB, and higher up the scale race cars use full Carbon disks not this mix of material which they do to try and get bite at lower heat.
There are race series like VLN and the Nürburgring 24h were CCBs are ruled outEdited by Porsche911R on Monday 27th March 10:35
Porsche911R said:
Seems a lot of PCCB converts :-)
People have been speccing them since they were first introduced, so hardly "lots of converts" .....Porsche911R said:
pad longevity is not quite true as it's recommended to replace pads 1/2 worn, again a heat issue to save the disks !! and the PADS cost more !
For track use yes, for road use totally unnecessary.Porsche911R said:
after market kit on a new GT3, no one is going to do that, it's classed as a track car and now has a race engine, I am torn on PCCB as I do like the looks and less dust, but the bloody cost and looking after is not nice and the track use still seems iffy, try selling a GT3 with after market disks in 12 months !
As in the Surface Transforms items ? I'd buy a car with them fitted every day of the week and twice on Sunday. As for the OE PCCB's, if they tracked every weekend on the "wrong" circuits or abused, there's every chance they'd start to wear heavily prematurely (though I suspect Chris W would take issue with your comments) but used 2-3-4 trackdays a year with sensible warming up and cooling down (and cleaning of excess material from the vent holes afterwards), I doubt there'd be an issue.
Porsche911R said:
People say race car for the road but no Porsche race car I know runs CCB, and higher up the scale race cars use full Carbon disks not this mix of material which they do to try and get bite at lower heat.
True carbon/carbon brake performance is sub optimal at 400 degrees C, and optimal above 650 degrees C. They'll operate anywhere between 650 and 1200 degrees C but their wear characteristics at elevated temperatures are poor (due to their high levels of oxidisation) So they're in no way more efficient at "lower" temperatures. RS29's meanwhile are optimal between 400 and 700 degrees C.Porsche911R said:
Is the Public being conned with this £6.5k option ! the GT4 did not need it, but many people option it and back up the option with so called unsprung weight advantage !
Are they not lighter than the steel equivalents fitted to any 996/997/991 GT3 ?Porsche911R said:
Not many people would spec PCCB for personal use if the car did not fetch overs !
Really ? I think you may be applying your own somewhat legendary and blinkered "value" perspective to this subject matter. Reading between the lines it would appear many spec them purely because they want them, irrespective of their resale value. Kermitgreenmeanmachine said:
Fish said:
My problem is I HATE yellow calipers, which is good as it will save me £6k and I can have red.....
THIS. OPC Silverstone had a 991.1 GT3 with black calipers and lava orange 'PORSCHE' lettering, so I assume you could have the calipers in any color through Porsche Exclusive?tuffer said:
Kermitgreenmeanmachine said:
Fish said:
My problem is I HATE yellow calipers, which is good as it will save me £6k and I can have red.....
THIS. OPC Silverstone had a 991.1 GT3 with black calipers and lava orange 'PORSCHE' lettering, so I assume you could have the calipers in any color through Porsche Exclusive?Colour coded ones could look good in the correct colour and would be a fraction of the £6k that the PCCB's cost.
tuffer said:
How hard would it be to get that done aftermarket and would it void the warranty?
Is this some feeble attempt at humour or are you being serious..!.Porsche will paint your Pccbs another colour apart from yellow if you request it...Painting your calipers any colour even pink will not affect your warranty whatsoever .Slippydiff said:
Porsche911R said:
Seems a lot of PCCB converts :-)
People have been speccing them since they were first introduced, so hardly "lots of converts" .....Porsche911R said:
pad longevity is not quite true as it's recommended to replace pads 1/2 worn, again a heat issue to save the disks !! and the PADS cost more !
For track use yes, for road use totally unnecessary.Porsche911R said:
after market kit on a new GT3, no one is going to do that, it's classed as a track car and now has a race engine, I am torn on PCCB as I do like the looks and less dust, but the bloody cost and looking after is not nice and the track use still seems iffy, try selling a GT3 with after market disks in 12 months !
As in the Surface Transforms items ? I'd buy a car with them fitted every day of the week and twice on Sunday. As for the OE PCCB's, if they tracked every weekend on the "wrong" circuits or abused, there's every chance they'd start to wear heavily prematurely (though I suspect Chris W would take issue with your comments) but used 2-3-4 trackdays a year with sensible warming up and cooling down (and cleaning of excess material from the vent holes afterwards), I doubt there'd be an issue.
Porsche911R said:
People say race car for the road but no Porsche race car I know runs CCB, and higher up the scale race cars use full Carbon disks not this mix of material which they do to try and get bite at lower heat.
True carbon/carbon brake performance is sub optimal at 400 degrees C, and optimal above 650 degrees C. They'll operate anywhere between 650 and 1200 degrees C but their wear characteristics at elevated temperatures are poor (due to their high levels of oxidisation) So they're in no way more efficient at "lower" temperatures. RS29's meanwhile are optimal between 400 and 700 degrees C.Porsche911R said:
Is the Public being conned with this £6.5k option ! the GT4 did not need it, but many people option it and back up the option with so called unsprung weight advantage !
Are they not lighter than the steel equivalents fitted to any 996/997/991 GT3 ?Porsche911R said:
Not many people would spec PCCB for personal use if the car did not fetch overs !
Really ? I think you may be applying your own somewhat legendary and blinkered "value" perspective to this subject matter. Reading between the lines it would appear many spec them purely because they want them, irrespective of their resale value. Taffy66 said:
tuffer said:
How hard would it be to get that done aftermarket and would it void the warranty?
Is this some feeble attempt at humour or are you being serious..!.Porsche will paint your Pccbs another colour apart from yellow if you request it...Painting your calipers any colour even pink will not affect your warranty whatsoever .The PCCB debate seems to crop up fairly regularly, with those who are very 'pro' the benefits versus those who try to dismiss them.
I've only ever had the on one car and, if I was speccing a GT3, I'd definitely want them - the ultimate brakes for the ultimate car.
I was sold on them during an Aston Martin factory tour. They give you a box to pick up with an iron brake assembly and a box with a ceramic assembly. The weight difference is significant and this is unsprung weight x4. At Aston they said it can make a detectable improvement to ride and handling.
Add to that, the superb performance, negligible brake dust, no disc corrosion, and huge life expectancy, then they're not such a expensive option.
I've only ever had the on one car and, if I was speccing a GT3, I'd definitely want them - the ultimate brakes for the ultimate car.
I was sold on them during an Aston Martin factory tour. They give you a box to pick up with an iron brake assembly and a box with a ceramic assembly. The weight difference is significant and this is unsprung weight x4. At Aston they said it can make a detectable improvement to ride and handling.
Add to that, the superb performance, negligible brake dust, no disc corrosion, and huge life expectancy, then they're not such a expensive option.
tuffer said:
No, not an attempt at humour, a serious question. I would not want a Black car with Yellow Calipers, Silver stripes on the seats and Red Seat Belts for instance. However, if you could get PCCB's and have the Calipers painted Red, that could be interesting.
Just out of interest this is one of my possibles - interior shot on a jet black metallic car and if I go PCCB, which is highly likely. A little red in the interior is fine I think. Porsche seem to agree too as you can't option yellow stitching or a yellow band on the steering wheel. Grey stitching and a red band to go with the harness plus grey seat belts looks fine.
Or this with yellow belts which I don't like as you then have too many contrasting colours in the cabin. On a non CS car this would be fine obviously. its just that when you throw CS into the mix it causes potential issues:
You can I am sure have the calipers painted by Porche but you're entering into major cost territory. You'd probably be looking at a few grand to have that done which is why you rarely see any cars where that's been done.
Budflicker said:
Can't we have a thread where you two don't get into a pissing contest please. Your as bad as each other.
I think you'll find there are plenty of threads on here in which I've not responded to said individuals posts, if you don't believe it, I suggest you waste a few more minutes of your time checking our posting history over the past couple of weeks. I've chosen to not respond to them, primarily because there was nothing within them other than the usual subjective stuff that most on here chose to ignore/can see through.
However in this case there were some erroneous points raised, which needed addressing. So, far from being a pissing contest, it's actually what forums are all about.
If you don't like the concept, I'd suggest forums aren't for you. But on the off chance you do decide to stick around, I'd also suggest you wind your neck in a tad.
And FWIW, it's "you're" not "your".....
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