what's a 991 GT3 like driven spirited down country lanes?
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Slippydiff said:
Thank goodness for that, I'll continue apace with my order for one of these bodykits ...... :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laDMqNXN2Vc
Class... full roll cage but no harnesses or bucket seats. I'm sure it's still all function over form though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laDMqNXN2Vc
More generally I think quoting widths including mirrors isn't useful. Ignoring the same mirror width, the wider rear end still makes a difference, whether it's getting a rear tyre on slippery white lines, or in the roadside dirt/puddles, or scraping a wheel getting out of a tight uphill exit from an underground car park
nw942 said:
What's the Clubsport S like as I am considering replacing my Focus for either a Clubsport S (or a Trophy R)? Thanks
The Clubsport S is one of the best cars I've ever owned. I've got a Golf R, and I thought was good until the Clubsport arrived, and it's made the R feel ever so tame..!One of the standout features for me is the front differential - Its an electronically controlled hydraulic locking diff, so reacts really quickly, gives massive traction, yet doesn't give any torque steer. The Mk1 Focus RS is also one of my favourite FWD cars, but this Golf has moved the game on loads.
VW's chassis engineer is a guy called Karsten Schebsdat, and he was previously Porsche's project engineer for the 997 GT3 and GT2 - and you can spot the similarities...!
The only minor negative is the road noise due to the absence of a parcel shelf and rear seats - I'm tempted to fit them just to silence it a little.
Go and drive one, you'll love it.
braddo said:
More generally I think quoting widths including mirrors isn't useful. Ignoring the same mirror width, the wider rear end still makes a difference, whether it's getting a rear tyre on slippery white lines, or in the roadside dirt/puddles, or scraping a wheel getting out of a tight uphill exit from an underground car park
I agree, hence the dims I quoted are body width at the widest point. I was actually surprised how close in width the Golf and 911 are....Porsche911R said:
I cannot keep WOT in a 330 BHP Cayman R for more than 2 or 3 seconds and that was the biggest reason I sold my last GT3, it was really not that usable.
You're not trying hard enough! I can keep WOT in my 340bhp M3 for many seconds, on the right roads, in the right circumstances...
I mean, 5th gear from 30mph is glacial!
I have a 9934s and the 991 GT3
I don't drive either to the the limit but both make me smile every time I get in them
You don't need to hammer the GT3. Just driving it is great fun
Yes it's bigger but you don't notice it
Both iconic
Which would I part with you if I had to ?
The GT3
The 9934s is for ever
I don't drive either to the the limit but both make me smile every time I get in them
You don't need to hammer the GT3. Just driving it is great fun
Yes it's bigger but you don't notice it
Both iconic
Which would I part with you if I had to ?
The GT3
The 9934s is for ever
The issue with the bigger faster cars is more grip, so more speed etc etc one just does not need it
340bhp ish and speeds about 85mph, I can do the same road much faster and one has to in the GT4 to make it interesting, but in the Spyder you don't need to go balls out.
It's responsive more so than the 3.8 lump, smaller, lighter and plenty fast enough, and roof off you can hear the birds tweet and that flat 6, it's perfection no GT3 can match.
ALso summer dark nights you feel the mist and cold as you hit the dips, it's amazing to drive a open top car at night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUXq8r-BD4o&t=...
My GT4 you can add another 20 mph on for the same feeling a 991 GT3 I bet another 10 to 15 on top again, it's far to easy to be hitting 120mph in these new cars even on the shorter straights, so then the risks are higher, Horses etc speed camera's all become more high risk. I think circa 85 Mph is a good B road get up and go speed, you just need to find a car you like to offer the feeling at those or lower speeds, Lotus do a great job for that, not GT3's
340bhp ish and speeds about 85mph, I can do the same road much faster and one has to in the GT4 to make it interesting, but in the Spyder you don't need to go balls out.
It's responsive more so than the 3.8 lump, smaller, lighter and plenty fast enough, and roof off you can hear the birds tweet and that flat 6, it's perfection no GT3 can match.
ALso summer dark nights you feel the mist and cold as you hit the dips, it's amazing to drive a open top car at night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUXq8r-BD4o&t=...
My GT4 you can add another 20 mph on for the same feeling a 991 GT3 I bet another 10 to 15 on top again, it's far to easy to be hitting 120mph in these new cars even on the shorter straights, so then the risks are higher, Horses etc speed camera's all become more high risk. I think circa 85 Mph is a good B road get up and go speed, you just need to find a car you like to offer the feeling at those or lower speeds, Lotus do a great job for that, not GT3's
Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 24th March 09:20
n12maser said:
Interesting range of opinions, thanks all. Largely seems the consenus is yes, the 991 gt3 is epic at any speed & not too wide for our roads. Can't wait to test drive one in the near future & judge for myself, with a 996.2 gt3 & gt4 test drive thrown in for good measure
Try a Cayman R also, I am NOT in the "consenus is yes" camp :-) risk vs reward is what you need to think about, I bet these 991 owners would not keep up with the runs we go and do in 300bhp cars lol, as most say the same feeling of greatness at any speed, laughable !!! either that or the risks they are taking and speeds must be >130mph oddthe R is about 993 size with 330bhp and just about the perfect steering you will find, never to be repeated due to eps.
Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 24th March 09:45
n12maser said:
Absolutely no interest in a Cayman R. Please let's not derail this thread with the Cayman R pitch....seen that on enough other threads already
"more your typical hedged country lane B roads with generally poor visibility, not much more than 2 car-widths narrow, e.g. home countries"your loss ;-) it's fits the above quite well, have you driven one ? or are you after the 911 brand image ?
IT's not derailed (i'll make it my last post on the thread), I just want to gain more insite on people why they dismiss the R, as the cars fits the brief.
Sure, I'll bite. I haven't driven a Cayman R, I flat out don't like the 987 design in all it's forms - as much as I care about driving experience & feeling connected to a car I also want to open the garage or look back at the car at the petrol station & be excited by its design, it's part of the joys of ownership for me personally. Not the most important part, but not be ignored.
It's not necessarily that I'm tied to only 911s, although I do love their history and how the design has evolved over the years. But for instance I wouldn't consider a standard 996 or 997 or 991 as their looks don't excite me enough, they just blend in. I don't want a shouty car, would never consider a Ferrari, R8, Lambo etc, but for me It's like the watercooled era cars need the extra design features of the GT3 line to get my blood boiling. The GT4 has that too
It's not necessarily that I'm tied to only 911s, although I do love their history and how the design has evolved over the years. But for instance I wouldn't consider a standard 996 or 997 or 991 as their looks don't excite me enough, they just blend in. I don't want a shouty car, would never consider a Ferrari, R8, Lambo etc, but for me It's like the watercooled era cars need the extra design features of the GT3 line to get my blood boiling. The GT4 has that too
n12maser said:
Sure, I'll bite. I haven't driven a Cayman R, I flat out don't like the 987 design in all it's forms - as much as I care about driving experience & feeling connected to a car I also want to open the garage or look back at the car at the petrol station & be excited by its design, it's part of the joys of ownership for me personally. Not the most important part, but not be ignored.
It's not necessarily that I'm tied to only 911s, although I do love their history and how the design has evolved over the years. But for instance I wouldn't consider a standard 996 or 997 or 991 as their looks don't excite me enough, they just blend in. I don't want a shouty car, would never consider a Ferrari, R8, Lambo etc, but for me It's like the watercooled era cars need the extra design features of the GT3 line to get my blood boiling. The GT4 has that too
Well said, a man after my own heart.It's not necessarily that I'm tied to only 911s, although I do love their history and how the design has evolved over the years. But for instance I wouldn't consider a standard 996 or 997 or 991 as their looks don't excite me enough, they just blend in. I don't want a shouty car, would never consider a Ferrari, R8, Lambo etc, but for me It's like the watercooled era cars need the extra design features of the GT3 line to get my blood boiling. The GT4 has that too
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