I doubt i will ever own a new GT car
Discussion
WCZ said:
"get me on the list and I'll give you £5k cash" should do the job.
would be really surprised if this hasn't happened.
Of course it happens. Or at least it did. would be really surprised if this hasn't happened.
I had chance of a 996GT2 when they first came out. At the time Tom Hartley was quoted as saying they would carry a £15-25k premium. I was offered a place at the front of the queue at a OPC in exchange for 4 grand. I asked what happens to the person whose place I would take and the reply was
"that's their tough luck"...
The salesman could trust me as I was a mate of a mate but I declined.
I would guess this couldn't happen anymore due to changes in the ordering process. Maybe not.
Edited by Tripe Bypass on Thursday 30th March 16:17
Tripe Bypass said:
WCZ said:
"get me on the list and I'll give you £5k cash" should do the job.
would be really surprised if this hasn't happened.
Of course it happens. Or at least it did. would be really surprised if this hasn't happened.
I had chance of a 996GT2 when they first came out. At the time Tom Hartley was quoted as saying they would carry a £15-25k premium. I was offered a place at the front of the queue at a OPC in exchange for 4 grand. I asked what happens to the person whose place I would take and the reply was
"that's their tough luck"...
The salesman could trust me as I was a mate of a mate but I declined.
I would guess this couldn't happen anymore due to changes in the ordering process. Maybe not.
Edited by Tripe Bypass on Thursday 30th March 16:17
s2000db said:
If anyone thinks that there's much left after the DP's friends, family, reliable returners, bloggers, 'B' listers and 918 buyers have had their fill... Then good luck... lol!
Totally agree.... Porsche are pushing everyone into the gts version mostly in gt silver too 
How gullible are we all !!
Jumpingjackflash said:
Good Morning,
Are Porsche actively doing enough or anything to make sure their GT cars end up with the deserving owners and not the speculators?
The simple answer is no. They have developed a very clever marketing strategy to sell more money making models and part of that strategy is to keep those halo models extremely exclusive. It's not very palatable if you have to go to the secondary market, but can you really blame them? I have owned several Porsches and still can't get near a new GT, so I have 2 options...buy secondhand or boycott Porsche in protest (or do both). I choose to boycott on the basis that Porsche has done nothing to stop flippers at the expense of real customers. That's what narks me more than anything. I've given the 2 finger salute to their new offerings and am very happy with my 993. Are Porsche actively doing enough or anything to make sure their GT cars end up with the deserving owners and not the speculators?
Edited by P.Griffin on Friday 31st March 09:47
This is the thing though, I've yet to see a convincing argument that by not selling you or me a GT3, we're suddenly going to go and buy say a new 991.2 GTS or a Cayenne or something. Or that the well to do bloke/woman next door is going to buy a new Panamera as a result of the marketing hype around a limited number of 911Rs / GT3s which are not even on their radar. Doesn't add up.
The more I think about it the more I don't think there's anything cunning in what is going on. I think Porsche are broadly doing what they've always done with the GT3 models, making a fair few but not masses, pricing them at point that historically was about right. It's just the demand has changed now that we're recovering from the economic crash. It probably caught them a bit by surprise I imagine, and they're just carrying on how they used to as it doesn't appear to be doing them any harm and it allows them to keep their pricing structure intact.
The more I think about it the more I don't think there's anything cunning in what is going on. I think Porsche are broadly doing what they've always done with the GT3 models, making a fair few but not masses, pricing them at point that historically was about right. It's just the demand has changed now that we're recovering from the economic crash. It probably caught them a bit by surprise I imagine, and they're just carrying on how they used to as it doesn't appear to be doing them any harm and it allows them to keep their pricing structure intact.
Mario149 said:
This is the thing though, I've yet to see a convincing argument that by not selling you or me a GT3, we're suddenly going to go and buy say a new 991.2 GTS or a Cayenne or something. Or that the well to do bloke/woman next door is going to buy a new Panamera as a result of the marketing hype around a limited number of 911Rs / GT3s which are not even on their radar. Doesn't add up.
The more I think about it the more I don't think there's anything cunning in what is going on. I think Porsche are broadly doing what they've always done with the GT3 models, making a fair few but not masses, pricing them at point that historically was about right. It's just the demand has changed now that we're recovering from the economic crash. It probably caught them a bit by surprise I imagine, and they're just carrying on how they used to as it doesn't appear to be doing them any harm and it allows them to keep their pricing structure intact.
The demand is because of the overs hype it is self perpetuating fuelled by cheap money, doesn't take much man maths to justify having a free (or even profitable) GT car to smoke around in for 6 months, means there are lots of new customers who wouldn't be able to justify/afford one under "normal" circumstances.The more I think about it the more I don't think there's anything cunning in what is going on. I think Porsche are broadly doing what they've always done with the GT3 models, making a fair few but not masses, pricing them at point that historically was about right. It's just the demand has changed now that we're recovering from the economic crash. It probably caught them a bit by surprise I imagine, and they're just carrying on how they used to as it doesn't appear to be doing them any harm and it allows them to keep their pricing structure intact.
I have been on the "list" for the new GT2 for 3 years but because of the current situation do not expect to get one but who knows, if the Brexit talks start going badly this bubble could burst very quickly and the OPCs will see who their real customers are.
P.Griffin said:
I choose to boycott on the basis that Porsche has done nothing to stop flippers at the expense of real customers. That's what narks me more than anything. I've given the 2 finger salute to their new offerings and am very happy with my 993.
So if you were offered a new GT Porsche from your OPC, following your 2 fingered salute you would presumably refuse an allocation on a matter of principle in line with your boycott........Edited by P.Griffin on Friday 31st March 09:47
av185 said:
P.Griffin said:
I choose to boycott on the basis that Porsche has done nothing to stop flippers at the expense of real customers. That's what narks me more than anything. I've given the 2 finger salute to their new offerings and am very happy with my 993.
So if you were offered a new GT Porsche from your OPC, following your 2 fingered salute you would presumably refuse an allocation on a matter of principle in line with your boycott........Edited by P.Griffin on Friday 31st March 09:47
franki68 said:
LordOfTheManor said:
Totally agree.... Porsche are pushing everyone into the gts version mostly in gt silver too
How gullible are we all !!
well I'm not getting a gt3 this year,and I ordered a gt silver gts...but I wasn't pushed ,far from it.How gullible are we all !!
I solved this for me by buying a R8 V10 plus - has NA engine, revs to almost 9k and comes with 600bhp+. Also has two seats.
I had previously bought a turbo and a cayenne from my OPC in three years and had my name down for a 991.2 GT3 for 3 years. I was told they were allocated 13 cars, had 8 prior 918 clients, 14 RS clients, etc, so I had no chance.
I chose to buy one of the other awesome cars on the market where the manufacturer didn't have an issue taking my cash. There are a lot of worthy competitors and my personal view is Porsche has this wrong. I voted with my feet (and wallet)
I had previously bought a turbo and a cayenne from my OPC in three years and had my name down for a 991.2 GT3 for 3 years. I was told they were allocated 13 cars, had 8 prior 918 clients, 14 RS clients, etc, so I had no chance.
I chose to buy one of the other awesome cars on the market where the manufacturer didn't have an issue taking my cash. There are a lot of worthy competitors and my personal view is Porsche has this wrong. I voted with my feet (and wallet)
Shabs said:
I solved this for me by buying a R8 V10 plus - has NA engine, revs to almost 9k and comes with 600bhp+. Also has two seats.
I had previously bought a turbo and a cayenne from my OPC in three years and had my name down for a 991.2 GT3 for 3 years. I was told they were allocated 13 cars, had 8 prior 918 clients, 14 RS clients, etc, so I had no chance.
I chose to buy one of the other awesome cars on the market where the manufacturer didn't have an issue taking my cash. There are a lot of worthy competitors and my personal view is Porsche has this wrong. I voted with my feet (and wallet)
You bought an Audi (I've driven a mate's R8 GT and would concur that they are epic motors), others have 'defected' to McLarens, or even Lotus. I do think that there is a danger here for Porsche to lose direct contact with the enthusiast market - the guys who really want to drive their cars are only ever going to be interested in the GT stuff.I had previously bought a turbo and a cayenne from my OPC in three years and had my name down for a 991.2 GT3 for 3 years. I was told they were allocated 13 cars, had 8 prior 918 clients, 14 RS clients, etc, so I had no chance.
I chose to buy one of the other awesome cars on the market where the manufacturer didn't have an issue taking my cash. There are a lot of worthy competitors and my personal view is Porsche has this wrong. I voted with my feet (and wallet)
Shabs said:
I solved this for me by buying a R8 V10 plus - has NA engine, revs to almost 9k and comes with 600bhp+. Also has two seats.
I had previously bought a turbo and a cayenne from my OPC in three years and had my name down for a 991.2 GT3 for 3 years. I was told they were allocated 13 cars, had 8 prior 918 clients, 14 RS clients, etc, so I had no chance.
I chose to buy one of the other awesome cars on the market where the manufacturer didn't have an issue taking my cash. There are a lot of worthy competitors and my personal view is Porsche has this wrong. I voted with my feet (and wallet)
Is the gearbox any good now? I tried an R8 in 2012 when Porsche was annoying me. It was totally underwhelming and the gearbox was awful.I had previously bought a turbo and a cayenne from my OPC in three years and had my name down for a 991.2 GT3 for 3 years. I was told they were allocated 13 cars, had 8 prior 918 clients, 14 RS clients, etc, so I had no chance.
I chose to buy one of the other awesome cars on the market where the manufacturer didn't have an issue taking my cash. There are a lot of worthy competitors and my personal view is Porsche has this wrong. I voted with my feet (and wallet)
Some people queue up at Apple Stores too. And the staff are terribly nice and want to discuss how wonderful Apple stuff is all day long, real friends they are, I often pop in to chat.. (not really fair as I am not aware of a secondary market on new phones is there?).
However, the more appropriate analogy here is that in the tech race the main problem with GT Cars (of any variety) is that the bandwidth is constrained and the cars are getting bigger and faster and more numerous. Fun decreases.
Driving in the UK in the 70's was 5G, but now struggles at 2G. So why buy a wider and faster Porsche to drive more slowly? Get a narrower simpler one and enjoy the drive at the slower pace you're forced in to. Epic roads are now processional in many parts of the country, navigating a new Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari, R8 etc is a challenge and frustration is high.
However, the more appropriate analogy here is that in the tech race the main problem with GT Cars (of any variety) is that the bandwidth is constrained and the cars are getting bigger and faster and more numerous. Fun decreases.
Driving in the UK in the 70's was 5G, but now struggles at 2G. So why buy a wider and faster Porsche to drive more slowly? Get a narrower simpler one and enjoy the drive at the slower pace you're forced in to. Epic roads are now processional in many parts of the country, navigating a new Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari, R8 etc is a challenge and frustration is high.
spyker138 said:
Some people queue up at Apple Stores too. And the staff are terribly nice and want to discuss how wonderful Apple stuff is all day long, real friends they are, I often pop in to chat.. (not really fair as I am not aware of a secondary market on new phones is there?).
However, the more appropriate analogy here is that in the tech race the main problem with GT Cars (of any variety) is that the bandwidth is constrained and the cars are getting bigger and faster and more numerous. Fun decreases.
Driving in the UK in the 70's was 5G, but now struggles at 2G. So why buy a wider and faster Porsche to drive more slowly? Get a narrower simpler one and enjoy the drive at the slower pace you're forced in to. Epic roads are now processional in many parts of the country, navigating a new Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari, R8 etc is a challenge and frustration is high.
Your driving in the wrong places, some great roads in Yorkshire and Scotland, even better roads in the Alps.However, the more appropriate analogy here is that in the tech race the main problem with GT Cars (of any variety) is that the bandwidth is constrained and the cars are getting bigger and faster and more numerous. Fun decreases.
Driving in the UK in the 70's was 5G, but now struggles at 2G. So why buy a wider and faster Porsche to drive more slowly? Get a narrower simpler one and enjoy the drive at the slower pace you're forced in to. Epic roads are now processional in many parts of the country, navigating a new Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari, R8 etc is a challenge and frustration is high.
spyker138 said:
Some people queue up at Apple Stores too. And the staff are terribly nice and want to discuss how wonderful Apple stuff is all day long, real friends they are, I often pop in to chat.. (not really fair as I am not aware of a secondary market on new phones is there?).
However, the more appropriate analogy here is that in the tech race the main problem with GT Cars (of any variety) is that the bandwidth is constrained and the cars are getting bigger and faster and more numerous. Fun decreases.
Driving in the UK in the 70's was 5G, but now struggles at 2G. So why buy a wider and faster Porsche to drive more slowly? Get a narrower simpler one and enjoy the drive at the slower pace you're forced in to. Epic roads are now processional in many parts of the country, navigating a new Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari, R8 etc is a challenge and frustration is high.
Your driving in the wrong places, some great roads in Yorkshire and Scotland, even better roads in the Alps.However, the more appropriate analogy here is that in the tech race the main problem with GT Cars (of any variety) is that the bandwidth is constrained and the cars are getting bigger and faster and more numerous. Fun decreases.
Driving in the UK in the 70's was 5G, but now struggles at 2G. So why buy a wider and faster Porsche to drive more slowly? Get a narrower simpler one and enjoy the drive at the slower pace you're forced in to. Epic roads are now processional in many parts of the country, navigating a new Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari, R8 etc is a challenge and frustration is high.
ted 191 said:
Your driving in the wrong places, some great roads in Yorkshire and Scotland, even better roads in the Alps.
You're right. I moved to the US where the roads are empty. And in the Summer I potter about very slowly in the south of england, but take proper driving trips to Yorkshire and the Continent.So said:
Shabs said:
I solved this for me by buying a R8 V10 plus - has NA engine, revs to almost 9k and comes with 600bhp+. Also has two seats.
I had previously bought a turbo and a cayenne from my OPC in three years and had my name down for a 991.2 GT3 for 3 years. I was told they were allocated 13 cars, had 8 prior 918 clients, 14 RS clients, etc, so I had no chance.
I chose to buy one of the other awesome cars on the market where the manufacturer didn't have an issue taking my cash. There are a lot of worthy competitors and my personal view is Porsche has this wrong. I voted with my feet (and wallet)
Is the gearbox any good now? I tried an R8 in 2012 when Porsche was annoying me. It was totally underwhelming and the gearbox was awful.I had previously bought a turbo and a cayenne from my OPC in three years and had my name down for a 991.2 GT3 for 3 years. I was told they were allocated 13 cars, had 8 prior 918 clients, 14 RS clients, etc, so I had no chance.
I chose to buy one of the other awesome cars on the market where the manufacturer didn't have an issue taking my cash. There are a lot of worthy competitors and my personal view is Porsche has this wrong. I voted with my feet (and wallet)
At £140k the competition is super tough and I wasn't happy to "make do" with a GTS. If I were Porsche, I would simply rebaseline the list price for GT cars to generate the profit up front and unlimit the numbers. IMHO the current strategy is not customer friendly and will ultimately lose them custom across the range
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