The 997 Appreciation Thread
Discussion
Jefferson Steelflex said:
I'm ok at some DIY tasks but it was relatively straightforward. You only need to remove the old PCM unit (removing the two side panels and then turning the 4 allen bolts to free it up) and then both A pillar trims to replace the FM boosters. I just followed online guides, the A pillars are a PITA to reattach but nothing on these cars is overly difficult, it's all clips and screws.
The PCCM unit is plug and play, and Porsche kindly made it so each of the connectors is uniquely shaped so they only attach one way. I then followed YouTube videos on the various pieces of assembly of the PCCM (it come is a few pieces you have to assemble with a screwdriver).
The only thing to consider is if you have Bose with the MOST Fibre Optics as there are a couple of extra bits to do (remove DVD/CD Changer in the frunk and a bypass by the pedals) but Friend's Green Porsche did a great video on it.
That does make it sound relatively straightforward indeed. I don't have BOSE thankfully but do have the CD changer in the boot. Actually getting rid of the CD changer and nav boxes in the boot would be nice as they always look like after thoughts in there.The PCCM unit is plug and play, and Porsche kindly made it so each of the connectors is uniquely shaped so they only attach one way. I then followed YouTube videos on the various pieces of assembly of the PCCM (it come is a few pieces you have to assemble with a screwdriver).
The only thing to consider is if you have Bose with the MOST Fibre Optics as there are a couple of extra bits to do (remove DVD/CD Changer in the frunk and a bypass by the pedals) but Friend's Green Porsche did a great video on it.
On the other hand.... this looks pretty "intense".... Was that your own PCCM+ attempt Terry??
Terry Winks said:
Sorry I didn't make this entirely clear, this was a full ICE install, I opted now for the PCCM+ but went down the Pioneer route, didn't feel the PCCM+ unit was for me.
But this is D Channel JL Amp in the frunk, Focal Components and Cross overs, Focal Rears and Hertz Drivers in the doors, sound proofing and running cable from the frunk into the cabin. It sounds absolutely epic.
For example.... difference in the 8 inch door drivers
But this is D Channel JL Amp in the frunk, Focal Components and Cross overs, Focal Rears and Hertz Drivers in the doors, sound proofing and running cable from the frunk into the cabin. It sounds absolutely epic.
For example.... difference in the 8 inch door drivers
Edited by Terry Winks on Thursday 8th February 14:12
This is quite something
997.2 TURBO S 'EXCLUSIVE'
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...
997.2 TURBO S 'EXCLUSIVE'
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...
My brothers 1/1 997 turbo S cab
May be the only special wishes car in the uk and I think only one in the world like that.
Cognac metallic pts with cxx hermes orange leather, extended leather with brown carpets. Softop in brown too.
iirc, every single option except 18 way seats. Although has seat cooling option which I’m not sure was possible on the 18 way sport seats?
Ps. If anyone knows of the green 997 turbo s with aero kit that was recently at the last JZM meet, please let the owner know I will sell an organ for their car!!!!
May be the only special wishes car in the uk and I think only one in the world like that.
Cognac metallic pts with cxx hermes orange leather, extended leather with brown carpets. Softop in brown too.
iirc, every single option except 18 way seats. Although has seat cooling option which I’m not sure was possible on the 18 way sport seats?
Ps. If anyone knows of the green 997 turbo s with aero kit that was recently at the last JZM meet, please let the owner know I will sell an organ for their car!!!!
julian987R said:
This is quite something
997.2 TURBO S 'EXCLUSIVE'
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...
Fabulous, until you open the door and look inside….997.2 TURBO S 'EXCLUSIVE'
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...
No idea how anyone could spec that, it’s hideous
Morning all,
new poster here.
I'm considering the purchase of a 991 or 997 later in the year.
My preference would be a 997S Gen2 coupe, but I'm retiring later this year, so would prefer to run one car only.
Is it practicable to have a 997 daily driver as the newest ones available are ca 10/11 years old now?
I don't envisage doing many miles, but conscious of the potential damage done when winter driving with salt and grit on the roads.
Cheers.
new poster here.
I'm considering the purchase of a 991 or 997 later in the year.
My preference would be a 997S Gen2 coupe, but I'm retiring later this year, so would prefer to run one car only.
Is it practicable to have a 997 daily driver as the newest ones available are ca 10/11 years old now?
I don't envisage doing many miles, but conscious of the potential damage done when winter driving with salt and grit on the roads.
Cheers.
Harry Bosch said:
Morning all,
new poster here.
I'm considering the purchase of a 991 or 997 later in the year.
My preference would be a 997S Gen2 coupe, but I'm retiring later this year, so would prefer to run one car only.
Is it practicable to have a 997 daily driver as the newest ones available are ca 10/11 years old now?
I don't envisage doing many miles, but conscious of the potential damage done when winter driving with salt and grit on the roads.
Cheers.
Sounds like a good plan to me, Harry! I ran a 996.2 GT3 as a daily driver and then a 997.2 C2S. Obviously there were occasional days in the winter (even in Buckinghamshire!) when snow or ice might have put me off a journey. I work from home so luckily not many journeys are essential. But in short, I see no reason not to do it. Go for it! new poster here.
I'm considering the purchase of a 991 or 997 later in the year.
My preference would be a 997S Gen2 coupe, but I'm retiring later this year, so would prefer to run one car only.
Is it practicable to have a 997 daily driver as the newest ones available are ca 10/11 years old now?
I don't envisage doing many miles, but conscious of the potential damage done when winter driving with salt and grit on the roads.
Cheers.
Planetstank said:
My brothers 1/1 997 turbo S cab
May be the only special wishes car in the uk and I think only one in the world like that.
Cognac metallic pts with cxx hermes orange leather, extended leather with brown carpets. Softop in brown too.
iirc, every single option except 18 way seats. Although has seat cooling option which I’m not sure was possible on the 18 way sport seats?
Intrigued by the interior in Hermes leather! Any more pics? May be the only special wishes car in the uk and I think only one in the world like that.
Cognac metallic pts with cxx hermes orange leather, extended leather with brown carpets. Softop in brown too.
iirc, every single option except 18 way seats. Although has seat cooling option which I’m not sure was possible on the 18 way sport seats?
Much prefer that spec than the blue/red one above! In fact, the blue/red car looks like what I'd spec "for a laugh in bad taste" when bored.... And that is coming from someone that loves a red interior. Just that yellow contrast stuff going on is simply too much!!
Filibuster said:
The 997 can finally sleep next to a fellow stable mate at night! While the RRC is a small car by today standards, it still look huge next to the 997.
I see the R129's summer wheels lurking there in the background!Have an SLK but am considering getting an R129 as well for the additional "seats". Plus its been on my wish list at least since 1995 and I'm finally old enough to drive one now.
Btw, we also have a MINI Cooper, so looks like we've got similar tastes in cars (although I'd never buy a LR product).
Harry Bosch said:
Morning all,
new poster here.
I'm considering the purchase of a 991 or 997 later in the year.
My preference would be a 997S Gen2 coupe, but I'm retiring later this year, so would prefer to run one car only.
Is it practicable to have a 997 daily driver as the newest ones available are ca 10/11 years old now?
I don't envisage doing many miles, but conscious of the potential damage done when winter driving with salt and grit on the roads.
Cheers.
I've been dailying my 997.2 (2011) for about 9 months now and it's great. Surprisingly practical and makes my 19 mile each way commute along a mix of fast A and B roads a joy most days, if I go early enough. I've added about 8k miles during that time.new poster here.
I'm considering the purchase of a 991 or 997 later in the year.
My preference would be a 997S Gen2 coupe, but I'm retiring later this year, so would prefer to run one car only.
Is it practicable to have a 997 daily driver as the newest ones available are ca 10/11 years old now?
I don't envisage doing many miles, but conscious of the potential damage done when winter driving with salt and grit on the roads.
Cheers.
It has been fine over winter though there is a degree of planning involved the night before any frost as you want to ensure the doors can still open if you leave it outside like me (gummi pfledge is your friend here, and I have a windscreen cover too and a moisture collector to reduce steaming up). I just ensure I kept it reasonably clean over winter, hopefully not done too much salt damage but you can get some sort of seal done if you're worried about it.
I try not to do short journeys (<10 mins) in mine though unless they're unavoidable, as it takes around 10 mins for the oil to get up to temp.
If it was my only car though I may be tempted to go a bit newer.
JagYouAre said:
Harry Bosch said:
Morning all,
new poster here.
I'm considering the purchase of a 991 or 997 later in the year.
My preference would be a 997S Gen2 coupe, but I'm retiring later this year, so would prefer to run one car only.
Is it practicable to have a 997 daily driver as the newest ones available are ca 10/11 years old now?
I don't envisage doing many miles, but conscious of the potential damage done when winter driving with salt and grit on the roads.
Cheers.
I've been dailying my 997.2 (2011) for about 9 months now and it's great. Surprisingly practical and makes my 19 mile each way commute along a mix of fast A and B roads a joy most days, if I go early enough. I've added about 8k miles during that time.new poster here.
I'm considering the purchase of a 991 or 997 later in the year.
My preference would be a 997S Gen2 coupe, but I'm retiring later this year, so would prefer to run one car only.
Is it practicable to have a 997 daily driver as the newest ones available are ca 10/11 years old now?
I don't envisage doing many miles, but conscious of the potential damage done when winter driving with salt and grit on the roads.
Cheers.
It has been fine over winter though there is a degree of planning involved the night before any frost as you want to ensure the doors can still open if you leave it outside like me (gummi pfledge is your friend here, and I have a windscreen cover too and a moisture collector to reduce steaming up). I just ensure I kept it reasonably clean over winter, hopefully not done too much salt damage but you can get some sort of seal done if you're worried about it.
I try not to do short journeys (<10 mins) in mine though unless they're unavoidable, as it takes around 10 mins for the oil to get up to temp.
If it was my only car though I may be tempted to go a bit newer.
I’ve not heard 997.2 owners complain about the rear face of the brake discs getting heavily corroded, unlike 996 owners. So one would hope that’s no longer an issue.
If you plan on using a 997.2 through the winter, I’d have it thoroughly steam cleaned during the height of sumner (or what passes for a summer here in the UK) and then treat all the suspension components to something like Dinitrol 81
https://worldoflubricant.co.uk/products/dinitrol-8...
freedman said:
julian987R said:
This is quite something
997.2 TURBO S 'EXCLUSIVE'
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...
Fabulous, until you open the door and look inside….997.2 TURBO S 'EXCLUSIVE'
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...
No idea how anyone could spec that, it’s hideous
(Reduced pictures to thumbs so we don't have to look at them full size.)
The top image is a better rendition of the interior colour.
Porsche centre Bristol had a 997.2 Turbo (not S) with the same exterior/interior combination (less the yellow stitching, ghastly steering wheel and cow on every last square millimetre of the the interior and the horrendous yellow dials) at least 8 if not 10 years ago.
It was well specced : PCCB’s, carbon fibre folding buckets, centrelock wheels, all singing, all dancing Burmester ICE upgrade, but alas it was PDK.
I drove it and liked it, but thought I’d get bored with it very quickly.
The interior/exterior colour combo works far better in the flesh. It looked stunning.
Porsche centre Bristol had a 997.2 Turbo (not S) with the same exterior/interior combination (less the yellow stitching, ghastly steering wheel and cow on every last square millimetre of the the interior and the horrendous yellow dials) at least 8 if not 10 years ago.
It was well specced : PCCB’s, carbon fibre folding buckets, centrelock wheels, all singing, all dancing Burmester ICE upgrade, but alas it was PDK.
I drove it and liked it, but thought I’d get bored with it very quickly.
The interior/exterior colour combo works far better in the flesh. It looked stunning.
Harry Bosch said:
Morning all,
new poster here.
I'm considering the purchase of a 991 or 997 later in the year.
My preference would be a 997S Gen2 coupe, but I'm retiring later this year, so would prefer to run one car only.
Is it practicable to have a 997 daily driver as the newest ones available are ca 10/11 years old now?
I don't envisage doing many miles, but conscious of the potential damage done when winter driving with salt and grit on the roads.
Cheers.
For most of 2019 and up until the lock down I was commuting daily and mainly using my 1998 996 c2 manual as a daily driver. I still have the car but I'm disappointed to admit it has no MOT and is just sat rotting. new poster here.
I'm considering the purchase of a 991 or 997 later in the year.
My preference would be a 997S Gen2 coupe, but I'm retiring later this year, so would prefer to run one car only.
Is it practicable to have a 997 daily driver as the newest ones available are ca 10/11 years old now?
I don't envisage doing many miles, but conscious of the potential damage done when winter driving with salt and grit on the roads.
Cheers.
Totally inappropriate vehicle for the task as almost all is inner city urban crawl and this 996 is lowered a lot with VERY hard suspension. It never let me down. I had a few simple gremlins and maintenance which I worked through myself like damp issues or water ingress, window winders, door locks and latches and oil changes and stuff like that. In the warmer months I had a hot start problem too.
The older cars are probably simpler and that means maybe less to go wrong. I had owned this already for a couple of years and done a reasonable amount of spending with a Porsche Specialist. So it was not new to Me and I knew the car reasonably well.
I wouldn't worry about salt and grit especially if you buy a well used car and are not too precious about it. All my cars live outside as I have no garage. I try very hard to not get precious about the cars I have. Some rust appearing on these 25+ year old 996 now but I don't know anything specific about 997 cars rusting.
So what's the point?
I think if you want a daily use 997 it doesn't have to be the gen2. I'd say the 997 gen1 is fine also unless you really want PDK. A late 997 gen2 with low mileage will be right at the peak in terms of price. An earlier gen1 with Hartech rebuild potentially cheaper but not by much as some ask a lot for these secondhand so you need to buy carefully.
This gen1 997 Hartech is asking 41995 - far from cheap.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/126355661739
If you're worried about it breaking due to age then I'd say no need.
I'd only buy a 997 gen1 with Hartech engine rebuild and they do come up occasionally if you're patient and willing to flex on spec and colours. You can also add miles to a car with recent engine rebuild being more confident the engine isn't getting on a bit and potentially not get hit so hard in depreciation come resale time.
I'd suggest winter tyres if you intend to drive in winter. Personally I think the massive 12 inch wide tyres on the rear of all 997 with 19 inch wheels are a recipe for disaster and become basically useless or dangerous at the first signs of snow.
I know this because I also had a 997 c2s in 2005 which was basically brand new and under warranty. I had my 997 as my only car for around 10 months and did 20k miles in that time. Absolutely loved it. The 997 slept in a garage always.
I'd say don't bother with the 4wd versions but even if you do then still get winter tyres whichever 997 you go for.
Personally I found using the 20 year old 996 more interesting than the brand new 997 but difficult comparison as I'm obviously 15 years older / younger. The 996 was and is still a rare sight on the roads and it got a reasonable amount of positive attention from the sort of people you want interest from and not much negative attention. The brand new 997 also got a lot of attention but some wasn't the attention you wanted. I'm not sure the attention is that different now between a 997 and 991 so not sure if that's a concern for you. I now have another 996 with more wings and spoilers and bling and obviously that brings some extra attention from boy racers in fast hatchbacks.
Office car park
Misting up
Hot start prevention
My 997 in Europe 2005
If you zoom in I think it says -5c here
Summer tyres
Got stuck many times due to rear wheels just spinning and car not moving
Either slept in the car or got rescued by Porsche [French accent] assistance
Harry Bosch said:
Morning all,
new poster here.
I'm considering the purchase of a 991 or 997 later in the year.
My preference would be a 997S Gen2 coupe, but I'm retiring later this year, so would prefer to run one car only.
Is it practicable to have a 997 daily driver as the newest ones available are ca 10/11 years old now?
I don't envisage doing many miles, but conscious of the potential damage done when winter driving with salt and grit on the roads.
Cheers.
Yes you can do it.new poster here.
I'm considering the purchase of a 991 or 997 later in the year.
My preference would be a 997S Gen2 coupe, but I'm retiring later this year, so would prefer to run one car only.
Is it practicable to have a 997 daily driver as the newest ones available are ca 10/11 years old now?
I don't envisage doing many miles, but conscious of the potential damage done when winter driving with salt and grit on the roads.
Cheers.
Just set aside decent budget and time for upkeep and make sure you buy a good car to start with (mileage not the biggest criteria).
They are a nicer proposition than the later cars in my view.
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