Any love for the 997 GTS?
Discussion
Slippydiff said:
And he’s back !!
HiDenny David 
Quite a lot of hyperbole there, and still trotting out the same old stuff about gear ratios that the vast majority seem to be able live with, without having a meltdown every time they drive their cars.
But actually nicely written, and polite too. So clearly it’s not just me mellowing in my old age ...
I hate long gear ratios some love them as they only goto cars and coffee events to "be seen" , it's no supprise the new ST for fun and road now has even Shorter ratios , it is an issue in the uk if you like driving which I do. Not an issue parked up in a field of course :-)Hi
Quite a lot of hyperbole there, and still trotting out the same old stuff about gear ratios that the vast majority seem to be able live with, without having a meltdown every time they drive their cars.
But actually nicely written, and polite too. So clearly it’s not just me mellowing in my old age ...
The x51 linked to 64mph 2nd gear is punchy, my older 718 Spyder is annoying and why I bought a PDK 4.0 GTS sadly the 4.0 lump really sings with that PDK, a great shame. So 718's do 85mph my older 987 and Caymans R did 77mph, the x51 GTS revs higher and only does 64mph it's a massive % drop and works great on UK B roads where 85mph 2nd gear has to be the worst combo for UK B roads.
Many here would say for £94k why did I not buy a GT4 over my 4.0 GTS ? :-) I have no regrets it's a mega car with a mega engine the cars shocked me how good it is.
I note on 911UK you said to some one the best car to get is a 997 GTS over a GT3, it did make me smile having just bought one last March. I am sure you followed my build on there now.
I doubt my time here will last, some one always gets me removed, i give it the day.
guyvert1 said:
Even more strange is the GTS brings out the lurkers, two posters on thier first posts !
Great car no doubt, but its now @ collectors money, which means they wont get driven, most current owners probably to worried about mileage aswell due to the higher pricing.
You'd be better off with a 997.2 and have fun with a few extras !
The x51 really makes the 3.8 sing and makes BHP right to it's red line that was the 981 GT4 issue, the 3.8 engine was dull.. To retro fit that is £15k and then your 997.2 is worth less to sell ie you don't get the £15k back. At £80k it's £25k cheaper than a nice 997.2 GT3 which don't really work that well on the road !Great car no doubt, but its now @ collectors money, which means they wont get driven, most current owners probably to worried about mileage aswell due to the higher pricing.
You'd be better off with a 997.2 and have fun with a few extras !
A GTS is the price it is and you can sell it for the same price, like I said, Cayman R's are the same, many moan about £50k entry but come sale time you sell for that also, end result cheaper to own over all than lower end models.
If you only have £50k for a 997.2 manual minter then yes what a great car and era for Porsche, but the GTS is a better car, that's life.
I have given up on this miles and collectors money PH has become and the hype on GT models for what, now 7 years now, the best Porsche to own is one you drive daily. So you pick an era you like and make it how you want it and keep it.
DennyHulme said:
I hate long gear ratios some love them as they only goto cars and coffee events to "be seen" , it's no supprise the new ST for fun and road now has even Shorter ratios , it is an issue in the uk if you like driving which I do. Not an issue parked up in a field of course :-)
The x51 linked to 64mph 2nd gear is punchy, my older 718 Spyder is annoying and why I bought a PDK 4.0 GTS sadly the 4.0 lump really sings with that PDK, a great shame. So 718's do 85mph my older 987 and Caymans R did 77mph, the x51 GTS revs higher and only does 64mph it's a massive % drop and works great on UK B roads where 85mph 2nd gear has to be the worst combo for UK B roads.
Many here would say for £94k why did I not buy a GT4 over my 4.0 GTS ? :-) I have no regrets it's a mega car with a mega engine the cars shocked me how good it is.
I note on 911UK you said to some one the best car to get is a 997 GTS over a GT3, it did make me smile having just bought one last March. I am sure you followed my build on there now.
I doubt my time here will last, some one always gets me removed, i give it the day.
You’ll be aware I’ve had a couple of Gen 1 997 GT3’s, so I may be better able to make comparisons between them and a 997.2 GTS than you...The x51 linked to 64mph 2nd gear is punchy, my older 718 Spyder is annoying and why I bought a PDK 4.0 GTS sadly the 4.0 lump really sings with that PDK, a great shame. So 718's do 85mph my older 987 and Caymans R did 77mph, the x51 GTS revs higher and only does 64mph it's a massive % drop and works great on UK B roads where 85mph 2nd gear has to be the worst combo for UK B roads.
Many here would say for £94k why did I not buy a GT4 over my 4.0 GTS ? :-) I have no regrets it's a mega car with a mega engine the cars shocked me how good it is.
I note on 911UK you said to some one the best car to get is a 997 GTS over a GT3, it did make me smile having just bought one last March. I am sure you followed my build on there now.
I doubt my time here will last, some one always gets me removed, i give it the day.
No matter, if I considered a 997.2 GTS a better everyday road car than a 997.1 GT3, why wouldn’t I say so ?
I have no skin in the game, unlike you with the Cayman R, the GT4, the 991 GT3 and all the other cars that were “The best cars on the planet” whilst you owned them, but then they all suddenly fell from grace the second you’d sold them and bought your latest “Best car on the planet” ... and so it went on, and so it goes on still ...
Of course when I owned 997.1 GT3’s, there were no Cars and Coffee events, so I did what I’ve always done. Just drive them hard on proper roads.
And the gear ratios weren’t an issue then, and I suspect for those that own them and drive them hard on the road and track now, they’re still not
I’ve not followed your build (I rarely, if ever follow anything you do David, otherwise I’d have had a career in hairdressing and a plethora of hairdressers cars as a result ...)
But fair play to you for ditching them all and finally buying a real 911.
On the basis you’ve fitted Ohlins R&T with custom spring rates to your GTS. Come to think of it, I’m not sure anyone’s ever fitted custom spring rates to Ohlins dampers before on PH or 911 UK have they ....
I’m guessing it’s actually a case of you’ve been following myposts on 911UK on that very same topic ...
I was going to go with these :
but regrettably ExeTC proved to have zero customer service, despite having an absolutely brilliant product.
Anyway, thanks for popping in, always good to have a catch up
P.S They do say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Consider me flattered
Louis Balfour said:
There is a Guards Red GTS on auto trader for under £50k with reasonable miles.
It doesn’t have centre lock wheels, which is good. It does have full tan leather, which will divide opinion. But could be a good value car with a bit of a haggle.
It's PDK there are loads of them.It doesn’t have centre lock wheels, which is good. It does have full tan leather, which will divide opinion. But could be a good value car with a bit of a haggle.
DennyHulme said:
Louis Balfour said:
There is a Guards Red GTS on auto trader for under £50k with reasonable miles.
It doesn’t have centre lock wheels, which is good. It does have full tan leather, which will divide opinion. But could be a good value car with a bit of a haggle.
It's PDK there are loads of them.It doesn’t have centre lock wheels, which is good. It does have full tan leather, which will divide opinion. But could be a good value car with a bit of a haggle.
DennyHulme said:
My question to you is why would you NOT want one ?
There is only one for sale it's £90k, goes to show that people don't want to part with them and for good reason, that one is £10k over priced I would say though. But if you want it you want it I guess. a 992 RS is £100k overs and would be far less fun on a B road.
This one (of 3 advertised) has been on since July 2023, so I'm not sure people are convinced these are worth what's being asked. There is only one for sale it's £90k, goes to show that people don't want to part with them and for good reason, that one is £10k over priced I would say though. But if you want it you want it I guess. a 992 RS is £100k overs and would be far less fun on a B road.
Edited by DennyHulme on Wednesday 17th January 09:05
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307069...
The answer to your question, "why would you NOT want one", may well be that I do want one, but I don't believe the premium being asked is reasonable. AT's price tracker will give us the answers in the coming months. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Edited by P.Griffin on Wednesday 17th January 12:57
Youforreal. said:
How rare is the 2 wheel drive compared to the four?
Lots more 2wd about.The 4wd were not as well regarded and a number hung around after the 991 had been for sale for some time.
The manual cars weren’t a super hot ticket back then either and could be bought new for mid £50s. It is only the fetishisation of manual cars that has pushed up prices since.
For the average bloke, wanting a car to actually use, a 2wd pdk is a really good choice.
DennyHulme said:
I have one, Some might say that the Porsche 997 GTS is the best road car Stuttgart has ever built. "not my words btw"
Much rarer than a GT3 no daft long gearing, it does 64mph in 2nd, it has a wide body like the 997 RS, and the x51 engine makes power to red line but also offers more torque in the mid range, it's a £15k kit to retro fit. less than 90 UK cars left.
The only car which now has the same ethos is the new ST, they have remade a modern 997 GTS if you look at the end result.
If you don't get it you don't get it, it's not for the cars and coffee meets, it's not for the GT3 hype, it's a very pure driving machine.
I'll repost the quote on the top 10 911's
"Some might say that the Porsche 997 GTS is the best road car Stuttgart has ever built" the new ST was not out then though. (just looked at that review they put the ST in 8th place the 997 GTS was 6th place. Not that I Agree with the reviews and stuff, I posted that for a bit of fun but it makes outsiders take a 2nd look at the 997 GTS to make a top 10 best ever list who ever writes it.
Mine has a set of Ohlins with road bias custom spring rates, GT3 LCA and a set of Recaro's no modern car can match the feel of the 2010 era cars, It's like the Cayman R's daddy and they are £50k so £85k is the right money. I paid for one because I did not want a GT3 as to get one to a road spec would cost me way more than getting a GTS to fast road spec. As you stated a 997 GT3 has not sold for £100k and then to mod that would be £115k + why own one ? goto any track day it's now full of PDK GT4's and modern GT3, people want fast you never see 997 GT3 on track or even at shows now as for the 996 GT3 they seem to have vanished. ON track people want to go faster easier so that's new tech with PDK.
I waited 10 years to find this car and paid top money because they are one of the best road going 911's made imo also.
Screw the old and new GT cars I have had most they are not great road cars in the UK anyway and they get more fake each model to drive.
I sold all my GT stuff, I daily a PDK Cayman GTS 4.0 which was £94k list and it's just a mega car to drive, and my weekend car is my custom 997 GTS.
lets not forget to get the same Sports classic in this era is £400k !
My question to you is why would you NOT want one ?
There is only one for sale it's £90k, goes to show that people don't want to part with them and for good reason, that one is £10k over priced I would say though. But if you want it you want it I guess. a 992 RS is £100k overs and would be far less fun on a B road.
Jeez… so much to dissect there wouldn’t know where to start.. bizarrely Denny Hulme was my neighbour in Weybridge, lovely guy.
Much rarer than a GT3 no daft long gearing, it does 64mph in 2nd, it has a wide body like the 997 RS, and the x51 engine makes power to red line but also offers more torque in the mid range, it's a £15k kit to retro fit. less than 90 UK cars left.
The only car which now has the same ethos is the new ST, they have remade a modern 997 GTS if you look at the end result.
If you don't get it you don't get it, it's not for the cars and coffee meets, it's not for the GT3 hype, it's a very pure driving machine.
I'll repost the quote on the top 10 911's
"Some might say that the Porsche 997 GTS is the best road car Stuttgart has ever built" the new ST was not out then though. (just looked at that review they put the ST in 8th place the 997 GTS was 6th place. Not that I Agree with the reviews and stuff, I posted that for a bit of fun but it makes outsiders take a 2nd look at the 997 GTS to make a top 10 best ever list who ever writes it.
Mine has a set of Ohlins with road bias custom spring rates, GT3 LCA and a set of Recaro's no modern car can match the feel of the 2010 era cars, It's like the Cayman R's daddy and they are £50k so £85k is the right money. I paid for one because I did not want a GT3 as to get one to a road spec would cost me way more than getting a GTS to fast road spec. As you stated a 997 GT3 has not sold for £100k and then to mod that would be £115k + why own one ? goto any track day it's now full of PDK GT4's and modern GT3, people want fast you never see 997 GT3 on track or even at shows now as for the 996 GT3 they seem to have vanished. ON track people want to go faster easier so that's new tech with PDK.
I waited 10 years to find this car and paid top money because they are one of the best road going 911's made imo also.
Screw the old and new GT cars I have had most they are not great road cars in the UK anyway and they get more fake each model to drive.
I sold all my GT stuff, I daily a PDK Cayman GTS 4.0 which was £94k list and it's just a mega car to drive, and my weekend car is my custom 997 GTS.
lets not forget to get the same Sports classic in this era is £400k !
My question to you is why would you NOT want one ?
There is only one for sale it's £90k, goes to show that people don't want to part with them and for good reason, that one is £10k over priced I would say though. But if you want it you want it I guess. a 992 RS is £100k overs and would be far less fun on a B road.
Jeez… so much to dissect there wouldn’t know where to start.. bizarrely Denny Hulme was my neighbour in Weybridge, lovely guy.
Edited by DennyHulme on Wednesday 17th January 09:05
Well I agree that the gearing is one of the things that makes the 997 GTS a fantastic car to take down country lanes. I loved mine but its not the best road car Porsche ever built that's why I sold it...I wasn't driving it as much as I used to. Is it the best water cooled Carrera for taking down a country lane ? Quite possibly.
Cheib said:
Well I agree that the gearing is one of the things that makes the 997 GTS a fantastic car to take down country lanes. I loved mine but its not the best road car Porsche ever built that's why I sold it...I wasn't driving it as much as I used to. Is it the best water cooled Carrera for taking down a country lane ? Quite possibly.
The best car Porsche ever made for the father late for the school run.P.Griffin said:
This one (of 3 advertised) has been on since July 2023, so I'm not sure people are convinced these are worth what's being asked.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307069...
The answer to your question, "why would you NOT want one", may well be that I do want one, but I don't believe the premium being asked is reasonable. AT's price tracker will give us the answers in the coming months. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Its also gone up in Price - on teh 06/07/23 it was listed at £77,490 and then this last Sunday the price was increased to £79,350https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307069...
The answer to your question, "why would you NOT want one", may well be that I do want one, but I don't believe the premium being asked is reasonable. AT's price tracker will give us the answers in the coming months. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Edited by P.Griffin on Wednesday 17th January 12:57
Louis Balfour said:
There is a Guards Red GTS on auto trader for under £50k with reasonable miles.
It doesn’t have centre lock wheels, which is good. It does have full tan leather, which will divide opinion. But could be a good value car with a bit of a haggle.
Do like the colour and interior, just a shame it’s PDK. It doesn’t have centre lock wheels, which is good. It does have full tan leather, which will divide opinion. But could be a good value car with a bit of a haggle.
Jawls said:
Louis Balfour said:
There is a Guards Red GTS on auto trader for under £50k with reasonable miles.
It doesn’t have centre lock wheels, which is good. It does have full tan leather, which will divide opinion. But could be a good value car with a bit of a haggle.
Do like the colour and interior, just a shame it’s PDK. It doesn’t have centre lock wheels, which is good. It does have full tan leather, which will divide opinion. But could be a good value car with a bit of a haggle.
PDK's fine, it really is. I've had both and preferred the PDK.
here what some are asking about.
Porsche 911 997 Production Numbers:
https://www.ianbevis.co.uk/porsche-911-997-series-...
Porsche 911 997 Production Numbers:
https://www.ianbevis.co.uk/porsche-911-997-series-...
GTRene said:
here what some are asking about.
Porsche 911 997 Production Numbers:
https://www.ianbevis.co.uk/porsche-911-997-series-...
Thank you Ian Bevis, entrepreneur.Porsche 911 997 Production Numbers:
https://www.ianbevis.co.uk/porsche-911-997-series-...
Nurburgsingh said:
P.Griffin said:
This one (of 3 advertised) has been on since July 2023, so I'm not sure people are convinced these are worth what's being asked.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307069...
The answer to your question, "why would you NOT want one", may well be that I do want one, but I don't believe the premium being asked is reasonable. AT's price tracker will give us the answers in the coming months. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Its also gone up in Price - on teh 06/07/23 it was listed at £77,490 and then this last Sunday the price was increased to £79,350https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307069...
The answer to your question, "why would you NOT want one", may well be that I do want one, but I don't believe the premium being asked is reasonable. AT's price tracker will give us the answers in the coming months. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Edited by P.Griffin on Wednesday 17th January 12:57
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