GT3 prices going up

[993rsr]

johnny senna said:

993rsr said:

@johnnysenna - yes, for an hour or so on smooth mountain roads in France. Didn't notice any significant deterioration in ride (was in the CGT so no back to back comparison) steering felt more reactive, seemed like they'd turned the wick up on the EPAS as well as DW front suspension (well it's not truly DW front suspension with bottom coffin arms - pedant mode )

I don't feel they are very different cars 991 vs 992, more evolution than revolution as is the norm. with Porsche. Sure the front axle is improved on the 992, but it's not night and day, regardless of what journalists would have you believe. If I was looking for a Touring (mine is LHD which I wanted and bought it pre Brexit from Germany) I'd go 992 RHD as there is more choice, and IMO the bigger price delta for the 991 makes no sense just to lose the wing.

Thanks. V interesting.
The price delta between wing and no wing for the 991 variant is pretty massive I agree. I’d like a 992 Touring but I use my 992 C2S daily and I think a 992 GT3 Touring used daily might get a bit wearing.

Worth dropping RSVP911 a PM. He has a 992 GT3 winged manual which he dailies and after a trip to Centre Gravity he’s really impressed with its usability.

[johnny senna]

993rsr said:

Worth dropping RSVP911 a PM. He has a 992 GT3 winged manual which he dailies and after a trip to Centre Gravity he’s really impressed with its usability.

Cheers. I was also thinking of going to CG with my current car.

[csampo]

Far Cough said:

KrisP said:

Congrats, would love to hear your comparison between the two, mainly as a road car if you are able?

Anyway , I digress. Initial driving was the thing sticks to the road like glue. It feels more solid, more complete. There are no rattles or clonks from the cage. The cabin is a lovely place to sit and the new PCM 6 is night and day difference for me. Wireless android auto is great. I am not an Apple guy so had to make do until now. I think the new suspension hardware makes a big difference and I have read about peoples problems with the car feeling all over the place on B roads. Mine is well behaved and feels well within its limits even at excess speed. I wonder if the tyres pressures are to blame as there are 2 different settings for this , performance and everyday , the later being more inflated. Or maybe the alignment is a bit off from the factory on some cars. Who knows. The 4RS I test drove had to have an alignment as the owner was nearly spat off a bumpy road at not excessive speeds so went the Centre Gravity and they said that despite it being within porsche tolerances it was all over the place !!!

Mine (992 GT3 touring) was transformed by a proper alignment at Centre Gravity. It was quite off with 5k miles on the clock, effectively no rear toe so very keen to rotate and extremely pointy. Very common as everything beds in. Mine is now set up for road use, so a touch more ride height to give more useable damper travel, soft ARB setting, slightly reduced cambers and more increased toe. It is now a joyous road car, absolutely glued down and completely unphased by gross Welsh b roads. Why anyone would judge a car like this, with a chassis that has so much adjustment in it, without having it set up for their use is beyond me tbh. It's a bit like buying glasses and complaining that they don't help you to read before having your prescription lenses put in

Edited by csampo on Wednesday 27th March 12:45

[993rsr]

Also there is no final geometry check at Porsche, the suspension comes as sub-assemblies and is bolted on, so there are some outliers that don't comply to the OEM specification. Suspension should not 'settle' it's either right or not.


A very small cost to make sure the car is spot on, and with a large amount of adjustability, the chassis can be aligned to the use folks plan for the car.

Edited by 993rsr on Wednesday 27th March 08:27

[ChrisW.]

csampo said:

Far Cough said:

KrisP said:

Congrats, would love to hear your comparison between the two, mainly as a road car if you are able?

Anyway , I digress. Initial driving was the thing sticks to the road like glue. It feels more solid, more complete. There are no rattles or clonks from the cage. The cabin is a lovely place to sit and the new PCM 6 is night and day difference for me. Wireless android auto is great. I am not an Apple guy so had to make do until now. I think the new suspension hardware makes a big difference and I have read about peoples problems with the car feeling all over the place on B roads. Mine is well behaved and feels well within its limits even at excess speed. I wonder if the tyres pressures are to blame as there are 2 different settings for this , performance and everyday , the later being more inflated. Or maybe the alignment is a bit off from the factory on some cars. Who knows. The 4RS I test drove had to have an alignment as the owner was nearly spat off a bumpy road at not excessive speeds so went the Centre Gravity and they said that despite it being within porsche tolerances it was all over the place !!!

Mine (992 GT3 touring) was transformed by a proper alignment at Centre Gravity. It was quite off with 5k miles on the clock, effectively no rear toe so very keen to rotate and extremely pointy. Very common as everything beds in. Mine is now set up for road use, so a touch more ride height to give more useable damper travel, slightly reduced cambers and more increased toe. It is now a joyous road car, absolutely glued down and completely unphased by gross Welsh b roads. Why anyone would judge a car like this, with a chassis that has so much adjustment in it, without having it set up for their use is beyond me tbh. It's a bit like buying glasses and complaining that they don't help you to read before having your prescription lenses put in

A very good point ... but I thik it's because people assume that the OPC's will do this job. A geometry check is included with every Porsche Approved sale ... but we know that there are set-up options and do OPC's ever ask what the primary use will be ?

In the owners manual on the 991.2 GT3RS the set-up for both road and track are the same, with very little camber. On the other hand, if my car is set to this it does follow road surfaces in the same way that my more aggressively cambered GT4 did ...

[csampo]

Needless to say that tyres make a huge difference too; whilst not type approved I've gone on to Michelins and it's well worth doing.

[Far Cough]

ChrisW. said:

I think 41 ignitions in range 1 and almost 0 in range 2 ... nothing above that.

Blimey , a pampered pooch. Probably got those on the 41 times it was started up !!

[csampo]

993rsr said:

Also there is no final geometry check at Porsche, the suspension comes as sub-assemblies and is bolted on, so there are some outliers that don't comply to the OEM specification. Suspension should not 'settle' it's either right or not.


A very small cost to make sure the car is spot on, and with a large amount of adjustability, the chassis can be aligned to the use folks plan for the car.

Edited by 993rsr on Wednesday 27th March 08:27

The guys at Centre Gravity would argue that point - they say there's no point doing a geo before you've put a few k on the clock as they always find they move out during that period. Anyway, regardless, setup is crucial on these and most likely OPC won't have done it properly as you say

[Cheib]

I was at CG recently….they described the set up they’ve used on 90% of the 992 GT3’s they’ve worked on as being akin to a GTS set up to optimise it for UK road use. For what it is worth they think the 991.2 is a better road car.

[TB993tt]

Suspension Secrets in Cheshire have developed a softer spring kit which apparently together with their Geo makes the 992 GT3 a lot more compliant and easier for you old boys who don't like the directness and find the springing is rattling your dentures.

[Yellow491]

TB993tt said:

Suspension Secrets in Cheshire have developed a softer spring kit which apparently together with their Geo makes the 992 GT3 a lot more compliant and easier for you old boys who don't like the directness and find the springing is rattling your dentures.

Just done 130 miles in one,drives like a limo compared to the past cars,worse thing is some tyre roar on certain surfaces but mostly fine.

[TDT]

Yellow491 said:

Just done 130 miles in one,drives like a limo compared to the past cars,worse thing is some tyre roar on certain surfaces but mostly fine.

Pics or it didn't happen!

[LemonTart]

Chris & Pete do really know their stuff.

I have my daily driver 718 Boxster booked in for full geo correction after it being mullered out of shape by pot hole damage.

It’s my opinion it’s worth doing even on a low value car like mine, it’s just got to be worth it on a 992 GT3 if you value the experience of driving the thing.

[hunter 66]

TDT said:

Pics or it didn't happen!
Yup more info LOL

[Digga]

LemonTart said:

Chris & Pete do really know their stuff.

I have my daily driver 718 Boxster booked in for full geo correction after it being mullered out of shape by pot hole damage.

It’s my opinion it’s worth doing even on a low value car like mine, it’s just got to be worth it on a 992 GT3 if you value the experience of driving the thing.

Irrespective of a car’s cost, if you enjoy driving it and want it fit work to its best potential setup’s vital, not optional. More than worth doing on a 718.

[First Sea Lord]

Yellow491 said:

TB993tt said:

Suspension Secrets in Cheshire have developed a softer spring kit which apparently together with their Geo makes the 992 GT3 a lot more compliant and easier for you old boys who don't like the directness and find the springing is rattling your dentures.

Just done 130 miles in one,drives like a limo compared to the past cars,worse thing is some tyre roar on certain surfaces but mostly fine.

Definitely interested in this as I only use mine on the road. Spoke with Suspension Secrets last year and asked if there were any customers I could speak with who'd had it done, so I could get a feel for how they'd found it, but was told not possible.

So, can you expand a little? Sounds like a great improvement in ride quality. Did it lose much of its sharpness or steering feel? Thanks

[TB993tt]

First Sea Lord said:

Definitely interested in this as I only use mine on the road. Spoke with Suspension Secrets last year and asked if there were any customers I could speak with who'd had it done, so I could get a feel for how they'd found it, but was told not possible.

So, can you expand a little? Sounds like a great improvement in ride quality. Did it lose much of its sharpness or steering feel? Thanks

I haven't tried it, would imagine it's quite subtle 12% less spring rate front 15% rear and they are using Eibach MS springs which could possibly be better than stock it probably really suits our cambered roads much better than stock and they (SS) know how to set these cars up. Personally the stock setup feels fine to me but I'm not doing loads of miles in it TBF.

[isaldiri]

Given it's linear springs being switched to from the OEM progressive spring, the lower spring rate might not immediately be obvious tbh but perhaps more so on the more major bumps which require more travel.

[Yellow491]

I am amazed at all the comments on handling etc,i was expecting it to be a bag of st from all the reports,its early days but the gt3 handled impeccably.No tram lining,A &B road manners good,a bit figity only to be expected from a gt3.Compared to the 991rs it sounds better and deff louder in the cabin.
Compared to the 997rs,gearbox,clutch and turn in a huge improvement,sounds better and better road manners,the 997 was very figity on b roads.
Opc reset the standard geo on mich cups,interestingly porsche handbook gives some direction on track set up and when altering rear camber,not to alter ride height at the rear.
It will be interesting to see what pans out after the honeymoon period.

[Joscal]

Yellow491 said:

I am amazed at all the comments on handling etc,i was expecting it to be a bag of st from all the reports,its early days but the gt3 handled impeccably.No tram lining,A &B road manners good,a bit figity only to be expected from a gt3.Compared to the 991rs it sounds better and deff louder in the cabin.
Compared to the 997rs,gearbox,clutch and turn in a huge improvement,sounds better and better road manners,the 997 was very figity on b roads.
Opc reset the standard geo on mich cups,interestingly porsche handbook gives some direction on track set up and when altering rear camber,not to alter ride height at the rear.
It will be interesting to see what pans out after the honeymoon period.

I’m in the honeymoon period too but am finding the same, it’s far from the bone shaker the internet would have you believe.

Unless Porsche made changes? Mines a 23 and I couldn’t be happier. It’s a big step up from the 991.2 which was my favourite 911 so far.

Health to drive!