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This popped up last night on my way home
I had my Foxwell code reader with me so I pulled over and tried clearing the codes but they came back immediately.
Faults are
PDK control sys - fault code "U0418" description "CAN Fault Brake"
Cluster Control sys - fault code "4444", Description "Steering-angle sensor not initialised"
Cluster Control sys - fault code "C1 56", Description "Communic PASM control unit"
I drove home with extremely stiff suspension, the journey across some B roads in Hertfordshire, late at night, in the damp was less than enjoyable.
It makes you realise how hard the PASM controller (I have a DSC unit) works
My mechanic reckons it's the steering angle sensor, I've ordered the part from RosePassion, with next day delivery, so we'll see if it's here Friday in time for a quick session after work Friday or early Saturday morning.
I had my Foxwell code reader with me so I pulled over and tried clearing the codes but they came back immediately.
Faults are
PDK control sys - fault code "U0418" description "CAN Fault Brake"
Cluster Control sys - fault code "4444", Description "Steering-angle sensor not initialised"
Cluster Control sys - fault code "C1 56", Description "Communic PASM control unit"
I drove home with extremely stiff suspension, the journey across some B roads in Hertfordshire, late at night, in the damp was less than enjoyable.
It makes you realise how hard the PASM controller (I have a DSC unit) works
My mechanic reckons it's the steering angle sensor, I've ordered the part from RosePassion, with next day delivery, so we'll see if it's here Friday in time for a quick session after work Friday or early Saturday morning.
RemarkLima said:
RATATTAK said:
Help please regarding the best option for a replacement entertainment centre for a 997.2.
For the PCM 3 you can drop in a board inside which gives you wireless android auto and car play. May be a better option than the aliexpress android units?Something like https://integratedautomotive.co.uk/product/porsche...
Not used this myself and seems to be other options where you open the PCM and plug a new board in, but it's a good OEM looking option!
https://www.mr12volt.com/en-gb/collections/porsche...
RATATTAK said:
Has anyone used the Mr 12volt unit?
https://www.mr12volt.com/en-gb/collections/porsche...
Yes, I have. On my 997.1 (PCM2 iirc) tough. I installed it back in 2019 and mine cost a 1/5th of the one you posted.https://www.mr12volt.com/en-gb/collections/porsche...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Does what it says on the tin and has never not put a foot wrong. Can't comment on sound quality too much, as a) I have the base stereo on mine (no Bose) and b) I'm not an audiophile. But ime it is more than good enough.
Biggest grind is that while it display song information on the PCM, it always displays CD01 T02 on the dash. drives my ocd mad. I bought it back then because it was a fraction of the price than the Dension. And as I understand, it is/was simply a chinese clone of one.
ETA:
I have just found mine on their homepage: https://www.mr12volt.com/products/p600-lp1605po
Seems prices have doubled since I bought mine.
Also I didn't look properly, as I haven't realized that the 997.2 of course has BT and that the one you posted features Carplay, etc. ....
My bad...
Edited by Filibuster on Wednesday 6th March 16:08
FriedMarsBar said:
My mechanic reckons it's the steering angle sensor, I've ordered the part from RosePassion, with next day delivery, so we'll see if it's here Friday in time for a quick session after work Friday or early Saturday morning.
Was this just the steering angle sensor?Filibuster said:
RATATTAK said:
Has anyone used the Mr 12volt unit?
https://www.mr12volt.com/en-gb/collections/porsche...
Yes, I have. On my 997.1 (PCM2 iirc) tough. I installed it back in 2019 and mine cost a 1/5th of the one you posted.https://www.mr12volt.com/en-gb/collections/porsche...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Does what it says on the tin and has never not put a foot wrong. Can't comment on sound quality too much, as a) I have the base stereo on mine (no Bose) and b) I'm not an audiophile. But ime it is more than good enough.
Biggest grind is that while it display song information on the PCM, it always displays CD01 T02 on the dash. drives my ocd mad. I bought it back then because it was a fraction of the price than the Dension. And as I understand, it is/was simply a chinese clone of one.
ETA:
I have just found mine on their homepage: https://www.mr12volt.com/products/p600-lp1605po
Seems prices have doubled since I bought mine.
Also I didn't look properly, as I haven't realized that the 997.2 of course has BT and that the one you posted features Carplay, etc. ....
My bad...
Edited by Filibuster on Wednesday 6th March 16:08
RE the PCM2 / PCM2.1 Mr12Volt, I also have one - I had to patch into the phone module under the drivers seat fibre optic loop, but does work pretty well for what it is. As you say, the track 1 on the dash isn't great - my other issue is that it doesn't transfer the phone book so you can't dial from the stalk / dash but hardly a show stopper.
I had a Xtrons Android unit, tried loads of combo's to get it just right but never seemed to be right for me sadly. So currently trying to man-maths the PCCM+
It's hard to, as it's bloody expensive for just a head unit...RemarkLima said:
FriedMarsBar said:
My mechanic reckons it's the steering angle sensor, I've ordered the part from RosePassion, with next day delivery, so we'll see if it's here Friday in time for a quick session after work Friday or early Saturday morning.
Was this just the steering angle sensor?Actually no it wasn't, it was the PASM controller. I should have paid more attention to the codes before ordering the steering angle sensor. I swapped in the Porsche unit it's and it fine so I now I need to find out how I can get the DSC repaired but I have suspicion that will not be easy.
FriedMarsBar said:
Was this just the steering angle sensor?
Actually no it wasn't, it was the PASM controller. I should have paid more attention to the codes before ordering the steering angle sensor. I swapped in the Porsche unit it's and it fine so I now I need to find out how I can get the DSC repaired but I have suspicion that will not be easy.
Wow, I've never heard of a DSC unit going bad... And they're not a cheap purchase sadly! At least it's an easy one to swap out... Actually no it wasn't, it was the PASM controller. I should have paid more attention to the codes before ordering the steering angle sensor. I swapped in the Porsche unit it's and it fine so I now I need to find out how I can get the DSC repaired but I have suspicion that will not be easy.
RemarkLima said:
FriedMarsBar said:
Was this just the steering angle sensor?
Actually no it wasn't, it was the PASM controller. I should have paid more attention to the codes before ordering the steering angle sensor. I swapped in the Porsche unit it's and it fine so I now I need to find out how I can get the DSC repaired but I have suspicion that will not be easy.
Wow, I've never heard of a DSC unit going bad... And they're not a cheap purchase sadly! At least it's an easy one to swap out... Actually no it wasn't, it was the PASM controller. I should have paid more attention to the codes before ordering the steering angle sensor. I swapped in the Porsche unit it's and it fine so I now I need to find out how I can get the DSC repaired but I have suspicion that will not be easy.
FriedMarsBar said:
Sounds like a good purchase! Replacement suspension will not be cheap. Been through that with my last car, shocks, springs, coffin arms, tuning forks, drop links, etc. Ouch!!!
May I be so bold as to ask what a ballpark price on a full suspension rebuild would be? Either buying the parts and doing it yourself, (excluding geo), or paying for a garage to do it?Many thanks
105.4 said:
May I be so bold as to ask what a ballpark price on a full suspension rebuild would be? Either buying the parts and doing it yourself, (excluding geo), or paying for a garage to do it?
Many thanks
Non PASM for all the arms, dampers and mountings, keeping existing springs is around £2500 if doing it yourself if just using Bilstein B4. Many thanks
Things like all the bolts, eccentric bolts etc., add another £200 odd, then all the nuts, washers, bolts, pads etc. to build new dampers are another £300 if using aftermarket versions.
I would do track rod ends as well, you know they are good then for a while, horrible doing all that work, getting the geo done and then hearing a noise a few months later. I just like to do it all and know it will be good until the wallet has recovered.
Ed.Neumann said:
105.4 said:
May I be so bold as to ask what a ballpark price on a full suspension rebuild would be? Either buying the parts and doing it yourself, (excluding geo), or paying for a garage to do it?
Many thanks
Non PASM for all the arms, dampers and mountings, keeping existing springs is around £2500 if doing it yourself if just using Bilstein B4. Many thanks
Things like all the bolts, eccentric bolts etc., add another £200 odd, then all the nuts, washers, bolts, pads etc. to build new dampers are another £300 if using aftermarket versions.
I would do track rod ends as well, you know they are good then for a while, horrible doing all that work, getting the geo done and then hearing a noise a few months later. I just like to do it all and know it will be good until the wallet has recovered.
ATM said:
What would you guess a garage would charge for labour - I'm thinking maybe 10 hours unless they charge more for cutting off rusted bolts?
Yeah ideally, but I think it could be longer than that. I reckon budget for 16 hours, any thing less is a bonus.
A morning for each corner? That is also if the pinch bolt is not completely seized. I had to have the wheel carrier off to get mine off on a bench. Induction heater still didn't get it to budge, in the end I drilled through using a pillar drill. Those two bolts took me around 5 hours or so. Mind you I wasted time trying on the car for ages.
Maybe a garage doesn't even try with heat etc. and just drills from the get go, but can still be 3 hours or so for the pair.
Of course, someone else may have changed the drop links recently and they come straight out.
But same with the control arm bolts at the back, even with a decent lift and a 5ft breaker bar, sometimes need to saw them out of the arms. Add another 2 hours to what should be a 10 minute job.
105.4 said:
May I be so bold as to ask what a ballpark price on a full suspension rebuild would be? Either buying the parts and doing it yourself, (excluding geo), or paying for a garage to do it?
Many thanks
I think CG charged about 650 for labour to rip out and replace and then their geo cost on top. When I researched it I couldn't get the parts cheaper and thought this was reasonable given the work involved.Many thanks
Just doing the rounds for insurance renewal on my Gen 1 2S... Had a weird one with one insurer, who wouldn't even quote without a tracker installed, stating how special a car it was, how amazing, you're risking it without loads of additional security etc...
Not to be all la de da about it, but as a slightly manky, old £25k car, it's not pocket change, but given a s
tbag crossover thing will comfortably cost more, probably have a greater value in parts to be broken, it struck me as an odd thing.
Does anyone have a tracker? Are they worth it?
Not to be all la de da about it, but as a slightly manky, old £25k car, it's not pocket change, but given a s
tbag crossover thing will comfortably cost more, probably have a greater value in parts to be broken, it struck me as an odd thing.Does anyone have a tracker? Are they worth it?
RemarkLima said:
Just doing the rounds for insurance renewal on my Gen 1 2S... Had a weird one with one insurer, who wouldn't even quote without a tracker installed, stating how special a car it was, how amazing, you're risking it without loads of additional security etc...
Not to be all la de da about it, but as a slightly manky, old £25k car, it's not pocket change, but given a stbag crossover thing will comfortably cost more, probably have a greater value in parts to be broken, it struck me as an odd thing.
Does anyone have a tracker? Are they worth it?
I'm in London and insurer ClassicLine asked but didn't care about the lack of a tracker, new insurer the same. My car is garaged overnight and when not in use which makes a difference in a high risk bit of London. Classicline told me these cars "don't get stolen" it's all the other risks that cost loads.Not to be all la de da about it, but as a slightly manky, old £25k car, it's not pocket change, but given a s
tbag crossover thing will comfortably cost more, probably have a greater value in parts to be broken, it struck me as an odd thing.Does anyone have a tracker? Are they worth it?
Have you tried ClassicLine, Locktons etc? I liked ClassicLine, they're not the cheapest, I only moved away as they couldn't accomodate the mileage I wanted.
Edited by FriedMarsBar on Thursday 7th March 15:31
Terry Winks said:
Adrian-9iafn said:
So no more RPM CSRs then ?
It would appear not. I mean the last ones have sold at a massive loss.I have a 996 CSR chassis number 004. I think the build costs were very high but if you look at what you're getting and you have an appetite for modding they make a good buy used.
Just adding up what the extra bits and bobs would cost you to buy they get expensive quickly. But as a package used with a bit of a premium over a standard car why the hell not. But obviously I would say that because that's the rational behind me buying mine.
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