The 997 - General Discussion Thread

The 997 - General Discussion Thread

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Terry Winks

1,188 posts

13 months

Monday 11th March
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Thats pretty much what I was going to do, could never find one cheap enough though. Would have been one of the only Fjord Green 997's though.

Ed.Neumann

421 posts

8 months

Monday 11th March
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RiccardoG said:
This year I will probably complete the job by having everything on that Spyder list replaced. Leaning towards having it done by CG this time.
If going to CG, I would let them decide what needs doing, they will know what does and doesn't need doing and don't charge much more if any for the parts.

They use CTE and Meyle as well, which I prefer.

FriedMarsBar

247 posts

32 months

Monday 11th March
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RemarkLima said:
FriedMarsBar said:
ATM said:
Looks expensive to Me. It's just a C2S with aero kit and yellow paint. I dont see 39 grand there.
I agree, I'd get a low mileage 997.1 spend a bit on it and then do a wrap to get it yellow
Or the reality is, a leggy borescored one, Hartech rebuild, all the works done, and a full glass out respray for the same money and you'd have a basically new car... wink I'd never be worth what you'd spend, but it would be a lovely thing at that point!
hehe! you're correct that's MUCH more likely than getting a nice low miler :-) You could upgrade it to a 4.1- oof!

Edited by FriedMarsBar on Monday 11th March 17:38

Gixer968CS

599 posts

88 months

Monday 11th March
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Here's my old girl. Owned since 2016 with one previous owner. It's a 2006 car. Paid £29k for it but I doubt it's worth that now and I'd say it's probably up there with the nicest. 65k miles. As mentioned above there are a lot of 997s around, a lot of rough ones though. I know the head unit will divide the room but having all the functionality of a modern media unit really transforms how I think about and use the car. 8 years and still love it. Bought the number-plate before I ever had the car so I was never going to buy a Carrera 4 smile





FriedMarsBar

247 posts

32 months

Monday 11th March
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Gixer968CS said:
Here's my old girl. Owned since 2016 with one previous owner. It's a 2006 car. Paid £29k for it but I doubt it's worth that now and I'd say it's probably up there with the nicest. 65k miles. As mentioned above there are a lot of 997s around, a lot of rough ones though. I know the head unit will divide the room but having all the functionality of a modern media unit really transforms how I think about and use the car. 8 years and still love it. Bought the number-plate before I ever had the car so I was never going to buy a Carrera 4 smile




That's absolutely lovely ! I'm biased as my first 997.1 was seal grey just, a C2, but I loved it. I reckon it's got to be very close to what you paid.

Edited by FriedMarsBar on Monday 11th March 18:19

FriedMarsBar

247 posts

32 months

Monday 11th March
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This is like buses, you wait ages and then two show up in one day!


ATM

18,295 posts

219 months

Tuesday 12th March
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FriedMarsBar said:
This is like buses, you wait ages and then two show up in one day!

X51

Total game changer

For anyone that doesn't know

See that carbon airbox

See the inlet manifold is a big FAT shiny silver thing


freedman

5,417 posts

207 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Nice upgrades with X51

Different valves in head
Different inlet manifold / plenum
Larger throttle body
x51 exhaust manifolds
PSE
Carbon fibre airbox
Crank case oil baffles
x51 engine map
3rd Rad

FriedMarsBar

247 posts

32 months

Tuesday 12th March
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freedman said:
Nice upgrades with X51

Different valves in head
Different inlet manifold / plenum
Larger throttle body
x51 exhaust manifolds
PSE
Carbon fibre airbox
Crank case oil baffles
x51 engine map
3rd Rad
I didn't know the detail simply that it added some oomph!

Slippydiff

14,834 posts

223 months

Tuesday 12th March
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ATM said:
X51

Total game changer

For anyone that doesn't know

See that carbon airbox

See the inlet manifold is a big FAT shiny silver thing

And the 997.2 version :





smile

Porsche-worm

62 posts

10 months

Tuesday 12th March
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ATM said:
X51

Total game changer

For anyone that doesn't know

See that carbon airbox

See the inlet manifold is a big FAT shiny silver thing

Do these improvements reduce the chance of bore scoring at all?

ATM

18,295 posts

219 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Porsche-worm said:
ATM said:
X51

Total game changer

For anyone that doesn't know

See that carbon airbox

See the inlet manifold is a big FAT shiny silver thing

Do these improvements reduce the chance of bore scoring at all?
Good question.

I read an ad somewhere from someone selling an X51 996.2 who claimed that the X51 kit provides extra oil system stuff and for this reason no X51 996.2 cars have had bore score. I cant remember exactly the details and dont want to mislead anyone. Obviously I have no idea if the zero bore score claim is genuine. He mentioned something about different spray of oil or cooling of the bottom of the piston. Again I cant remember exactly the details and dont want to mislead anyone. If there are indeed changes to the way oil is pushed around the engine and has extra oil squiring onto pistons then this may of course help. But we need someone more knowledgeable than me to figure that out.

GTRene

16,566 posts

224 months

Tuesday 12th March
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lovely pictures of such X51 kit, never seen it personally, so great info :-) makes such a bit easier to spot.

maz8062

2,245 posts

215 months

Tuesday 12th March
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ATM said:
Porsche-worm said:
ATM said:
X51

Total game changer

For anyone that doesn't know

See that carbon airbox

See the inlet manifold is a big FAT shiny silver thing

Do these improvements reduce the chance of bore scoring at all?
Good question.

I read an ad somewhere from someone selling an X51 996.2 who claimed that the X51 kit provides extra oil system stuff and for this reason no X51 996.2 cars have had bore score. I cant remember exactly the details and dont want to mislead anyone. Obviously I have no idea if the zero bore score claim is genuine. He mentioned something about different spray of oil or cooling of the bottom of the piston. Again I cant remember exactly the details and dont want to mislead anyone. If there are indeed changes to the way oil is pushed around the engine and has extra oil squiring onto pistons then this may of course help. But we need someone more knowledgeable than me to figure that out.
Nope. I’ve seen 40 Jahre’s advertised with engine rebuilds due to borescore.

Slippydiff

14,834 posts

223 months

Tuesday 12th March
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maz8062 said:
Nope. I’ve seen 40 Jahre’s advertised with engine rebuilds due to borescore.
Correct, and IIRC Hartech have rebuilt X51 997.1 engines too.

105.4

4,094 posts

71 months

Wednesday 13th March
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RemarkLima said:
Or the reality is, a leggy borescored one, Hartech rebuild, all the works done, and a full glass out respray for the same money and you'd have a basically new car... wink I'd never be worth what you'd spend, but it would be a lovely thing at that point!
Funnily enough, that was exactly what I’d be considering doing when the stars are correctly aligned for me to buy.

Get the cheapest, tattyiest one that I can with a heavily scored engine, knackered suspension, slipping clutch etc, then get everything done at once.

But then of course it requires the right car to come up for sale at the right time and the right price.

ATM

18,295 posts

219 months

Wednesday 13th March
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105.4 said:
RemarkLima said:
Or the reality is, a leggy borescored one, Hartech rebuild, all the works done, and a full glass out respray for the same money and you'd have a basically new car... wink I'd never be worth what you'd spend, but it would be a lovely thing at that point!
Funnily enough, that was exactly what I’d be considering doing when the stars are correctly aligned for me to buy.

Get the cheapest, tattyiest one that I can with a heavily scored engine, knackered suspension, slipping clutch etc, then get everything done at once.

But then of course it requires the right car to come up for sale at the right time and the right price.
Perhaps we need to be reminded of someone who did just that.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=19...

Jeweller70 said:
Got the lighting correct

105.4

4,094 posts

71 months

Wednesday 13th March
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ATM said:
105.4 said:
RemarkLima said:
Or the reality is, a leggy borescored one, Hartech rebuild, all the works done, and a full glass out respray for the same money and you'd have a basically new car... wink I'd never be worth what you'd spend, but it would be a lovely thing at that point!
Funnily enough, that was exactly what I’d be considering doing when the stars are correctly aligned for me to buy.

Get the cheapest, tattyiest one that I can with a heavily scored engine, knackered suspension, slipping clutch etc, then get everything done at once.

But then of course it requires the right car to come up for sale at the right time and the right price.
Perhaps we need to be reminded of someone who did just that.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=19...

Jeweller70 said:
Got the lighting correct

Thanks for that thumbup

That will make for an interesting read smile

Terry Winks

1,188 posts

13 months

Wednesday 13th March
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It was the "right price" part I could never get too, perhaps I didn't look into the trade enough, but I worked out I needed to find a car for about £15k, and even the properly scored ones most people couldn't handle letting the car go for less than £20k. That was 2 years ago and the marketplace was a different beast.

Discombobulate

4,845 posts

186 months

Wednesday 13th March
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105.4 said:
Funnily enough, that was exactly what I’d be considering doing when the stars are correctly aligned for me to buy.

Get the cheapest, tattyiest one that I can with a heavily scored engine, knackered suspension, slipping clutch etc, then get everything done at once.

But then of course it requires the right car to come up for sale at the right time and the right price.
I basically did this on a 997.1 C4s which we had owned for 14 years. It now has a Hartech 4.1 and new everything underneath. And I mean everything. CoG did the suspension, Hartech everything else.
Trigger's broom.
Skint but happy.