991.2 GTS Turbo Failure Issue
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fistenburger said:
rjh_36093 said:
If anyone has had any issues with their own 991.2 911 whether they have owned it in the past or currently own one - if they could message me directly with their experiences it would be really helpful with my own situation but also future situations with current or potential new owners and getting some sort of group and traction together that can sort this out for all. I think this is as a big an issue as with the GT3 and should be sorted out or at least admitted to by Porsche, even more so when the remedial work they do isn't sufficient.
I guess my wishes of a GT3 are over for now!
I tried the 'Email Me' button on your profile but it doesn't seem to work. I had turbo failure on my previous 991.2S. Happy to share my experiences.I guess my wishes of a GT3 are over for now!
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Grantstown said:
One issue in common with 911s is that all the kit outside of the engine block is sat there with no protection from salt and road debris. When combined with the cheap fixings it does seem to be a recipe for problems if used through the winter.
At least the engine seems to have proved to be strong.
As has been said, recalls tend to be for safety issues. Having said that, if owners clubs can generate enough noise then maybe Porsche might react. The 991.1 GT3 would be an example.
The 992 has the same engine. I wonder if they’ve changed anything with the oil feed. This would give a bit of a clue. I suspect they are likely to have had some similar failures. Loads of these cars have been produced though.
Do you know how many members at all it took for the issues with the 991.2 GT3 to be sorted at all? I can't find much info online. At least the engine seems to have proved to be strong.
As has been said, recalls tend to be for safety issues. Having said that, if owners clubs can generate enough noise then maybe Porsche might react. The 991.1 GT3 would be an example.
The 992 has the same engine. I wonder if they’ve changed anything with the oil feed. This would give a bit of a clue. I suspect they are likely to have had some similar failures. Loads of these cars have been produced though.
I was told by my specialist that the 992 has the same design and issues but slightly more covered up in terms of the rust issue but I still think the oil pipe issue might still be present which I think is the bigger issue. I am speaking to Litchfield on Tuesday so I will see what they say as I heard they might have a proper fix. I am just after some clarification that if I down the official Porsche route and having to spend around 11-12k to get this issue sorted that it won't keep happening, as it seems pretty random. Some members report this happening at 7,000 miles whereas mine hit 57 and I have no knowledge of it being done before.
Do you mind sharing your experience with how Porsche dealt with issue with yours and their explanation either via Forum or direct message, if you are able to spare the time?
I bought my 991.2 C4 GTS back in November 2021 when the car was on 13,000 miles.
My car is now on 24,000 miles and is at Porsche Solihull with suspected turbo failure.
The car was originally diagnosed with a faulty oil separator and replaced with a new one accordingly.
My car went into Porsche Solihull on Monday 26th February. They delivered it back to me on Wednesday 20th March. I drove to work the following day and the dash lit like a christmas tree followed by clouds of blue smoke!!
I limped it back to the dealership and they have put me back in the dreadful and gutless Macan T that I used for 3 weeks previously.
I have a feeling I’ll be in the Macan for quite a few weeks yet
My car is now on 24,000 miles and is at Porsche Solihull with suspected turbo failure.
The car was originally diagnosed with a faulty oil separator and replaced with a new one accordingly.
My car went into Porsche Solihull on Monday 26th February. They delivered it back to me on Wednesday 20th March. I drove to work the following day and the dash lit like a christmas tree followed by clouds of blue smoke!!
I limped it back to the dealership and they have put me back in the dreadful and gutless Macan T that I used for 3 weeks previously.
I have a feeling I’ll be in the Macan for quite a few weeks yet
rjh_36093 said:
That's a really low mileage for it to happen. Do you know if this was an actual fix, i.e. different oil lines etc to solve the problem at all?
I asked about this when looking through the service history pre purchase. The service manager said it was due to the car being under used. Am not aware if anything was modified along with the turbo replacement.Tim 911 said:
I bought my 991.2 C4 GTS back in November 2021 when the car was on 13,000 miles.
My car is now on 24,000 miles and is at Porsche Solihull with suspected turbo failure.
The car was originally diagnosed with a faulty oil separator and replaced with a new one accordingly.
My car went into Porsche Solihull on Monday 26th February. They delivered it back to me on Wednesday 20th March. I drove to work the following day and the dash lit like a christmas tree followed by clouds of blue smoke!!
I limped it back to the dealership and they have put me back in the dreadful and gutless Macan T that I used for 3 weeks previously.
I have a feeling I’ll be in the Macan for quite a few weeks yet
Glad to hear that you are driving the car on a daily basis like me! Doesn't seem to be many who do that, even though personally that was the whole point of the 911 going back in history. It's interesting that you got warning lights on the dashboard, as I had nothing at all showing up. It was just observation that lot of smoke was coming out of the back during startup. After a long run and another startup it's usually fine but I guess that's because the oil had been burnt off from inside the turbos? Not to sure. I think as I keep sayings its with the oil lines being insufficient then taking out the turbos. My car is now on 24,000 miles and is at Porsche Solihull with suspected turbo failure.
The car was originally diagnosed with a faulty oil separator and replaced with a new one accordingly.
My car went into Porsche Solihull on Monday 26th February. They delivered it back to me on Wednesday 20th March. I drove to work the following day and the dash lit like a christmas tree followed by clouds of blue smoke!!
I limped it back to the dealership and they have put me back in the dreadful and gutless Macan T that I used for 3 weeks previously.
I have a feeling I’ll be in the Macan for quite a few weeks yet
What have the dealership been like to deal with and have they given you any info on what actually causes the issue? I think they have to keep to the warranty guidelines hence possibly not replacing your turbos right away. I think however the main issue is whether it will keep happening again and again. Some people report on this forum and others it happening at very low mileages and then mine at 57k which I guess is very late on from a 2017 car.
I had to limp mine as well home and then as a safety measure have it trailered to the dealership! OPC's seem to be giving out the Macan T's generally for the curtsy cars. When my Cayman 718 was in for its first service and various recalls used to get a Cayman but the last time I went it was a Macan T. Its a nice car to sit in inside but totally underpowered with I think from memory the same engine from a Golf GTi pulling an SUV.. Can't believe it has the Porsche badge on its bonnet in that spec to be honest!
If you could get any information on whether its an actual fix for the problem from the OPC or just replacing parts when you collect, I think it would be helpful for all on this one!
I will be doing the same with my specialist when they have the parts required. At least you have the warranty that's all I can say, but even then its unacceptable for a car being sold currently in approved used by Porsche to have these issues and not be depended on. I'm having to pay 11-12k out of Porsche warranty
ellroy said:
Took a fair while to get the parts for mine last summer.
Hope the wait won’t be too long given the weather is just starting to pick up.
There must be loads around that require the same parts so can understand that, completely. Hopefully I can enjoy it a little over the summer before selling it and not worry about any road salts corroding the car underneath Hope the wait won’t be too long given the weather is just starting to pick up.
griffdude said:
rjh_36093 said:
That's a really low mileage for it to happen. Do you know if this was an actual fix, i.e. different oil lines etc to solve the problem at all?
I asked about this when looking through the service history pre purchase. The service manager said it was due to the car being under used. Am not aware if anything was modified along with the turbo replacement.rjh_36093 said:
Glad to hear that you are driving the car on a daily basis like me! Doesn't seem to be many who do that, even though personally that was the whole point of the 911 going back in history. It's interesting that you got warning lights on the dashboard, as I had nothing at all showing up. It was just observation that lot of smoke was coming out of the back during startup. After a long run and another startup it's usually fine but I guess that's because the oil had been burnt off from inside the turbos? Not to sure. I think as I keep sayings its with the oil lines being insufficient then taking out the turbos.
What have the dealership been like to deal with and have they given you any info on what actually causes the issue? I think they have to keep to the warranty guidelines hence possibly not replacing your turbos right away. I think however the main issue is whether it will keep happening again and again. Some people report on this forum and others it happening at very low mileages and then mine at 57k which I guess is very late on from a 2017 car.
I had to limp mine as well home and then as a safety measure have it trailered to the dealership! OPC's seem to be giving out the Macan T's generally for the curtsy cars. When my Cayman 718 was in for its first service and various recalls used to get a Cayman but the last time I went it was a Macan T. Its a nice car to sit in inside but totally underpowered with I think from memory the same engine from a Golf GTi pulling an SUV.. Can't believe it has the Porsche badge on its bonnet in that spec to be honest!
If you could get any information on whether its an actual fix for the problem from the OPC or just replacing parts when you collect, I think it would be helpful for all on this one!
I will be doing the same with my specialist when they have the parts required. At least you have the warranty that's all I can say, but even then its unacceptable for a car being sold currently in approved used by Porsche to have these issues and not be depended on. I'm having to pay 11-12k out of Porsche warranty
I’m really sorry to hear that you’ll be having to pay such a large amount to get your car back on the road. It seems inherently unfair when this is such an obvious issue. I sincerely hope you can get a contribution towards the costs from Porsche as a goodwill gesture.What have the dealership been like to deal with and have they given you any info on what actually causes the issue? I think they have to keep to the warranty guidelines hence possibly not replacing your turbos right away. I think however the main issue is whether it will keep happening again and again. Some people report on this forum and others it happening at very low mileages and then mine at 57k which I guess is very late on from a 2017 car.
I had to limp mine as well home and then as a safety measure have it trailered to the dealership! OPC's seem to be giving out the Macan T's generally for the curtsy cars. When my Cayman 718 was in for its first service and various recalls used to get a Cayman but the last time I went it was a Macan T. Its a nice car to sit in inside but totally underpowered with I think from memory the same engine from a Golf GTi pulling an SUV.. Can't believe it has the Porsche badge on its bonnet in that spec to be honest!
If you could get any information on whether its an actual fix for the problem from the OPC or just replacing parts when you collect, I think it would be helpful for all on this one!
I will be doing the same with my specialist when they have the parts required. At least you have the warranty that's all I can say, but even then its unacceptable for a car being sold currently in approved used by Porsche to have these issues and not be depended on. I'm having to pay 11-12k out of Porsche warranty
I did actually consider not extending my warranty last November when the original 24 month Porsche Approved warranty was due to expire. I’m so relieved I did!!
The first time my car went into Porsche Solihull it was on a trailer as I had to be recovered from the Cotswolds. The car lost power, sounded like a bag of spanners and I had 4 warning lights on the dash (AWD function limited, PSM failure, Engine control fault & Oil level below minimum).
The vehicle inspection report confirmed cylinder deactivation and spark plugs needed for cylinders 2 & 6. The report also stated “oil being collected in the RH bank turbo intake” and “removing the intercooler to drain off and wash out the oil that has been drawn into the system”.
Porsche Solihull have been woeful. Zero communication unless instigated by me. Messages to call me back with updates ignored. Not the kind of service I expect from a brand like Porsche
I get the impression their workshop is overwhelmed with work. My car is due a service in May and I was advised to get it booked in last month!!
I’ll give an update on the issue when I know more.
rjh_36093 said:
Grantstown said:
One issue in common with 911s is that all the kit outside of the engine block is sat there with no protection from salt and road debris. When combined with the cheap fixings it does seem to be a recipe for problems if used through the winter.
At least the engine seems to have proved to be strong.
As has been said, recalls tend to be for safety issues. Having said that, if owners clubs can generate enough noise then maybe Porsche might react. The 991.1 GT3 would be an example.
The 992 has the same engine. I wonder if they’ve changed anything with the oil feed. This would give a bit of a clue. I suspect they are likely to have had some similar failures. Loads of these cars have been produced though.
Do you know how many members at all it took for the issues with the 991.2 GT3 to be sorted at all? I can't find much info online. At least the engine seems to have proved to be strong.
As has been said, recalls tend to be for safety issues. Having said that, if owners clubs can generate enough noise then maybe Porsche might react. The 991.1 GT3 would be an example.
The 992 has the same engine. I wonder if they’ve changed anything with the oil feed. This would give a bit of a clue. I suspect they are likely to have had some similar failures. Loads of these cars have been produced though.
I was told by my specialist that the 992 has the same design and issues but slightly more covered up in terms of the rust issue but I still think the oil pipe issue might still be present which I think is the bigger issue. I am speaking to Litchfield on Tuesday so I will see what they say as I heard they might have a proper fix. I am just after some clarification that if I down the official Porsche route and having to spend around 11-12k to get this issue sorted that it won't keep happening, as it seems pretty random. Some members report this happening at 7,000 miles whereas mine hit 57 and I have no knowledge of it being done before.
Do you mind sharing your experience with how Porsche dealt with issue with yours and their explanation either via Forum or direct message, if you are able to spare the time?
My car is still going well, but I’ve anticipated the problem and have the turbo upgrade plan in my head.
Maybe you should contact PorscheclubGB in the first instance?
I had my oil lines and both turbos replaced under warranty last September at around 25k miles. The OPC were great and all dealt with in a couple of weeks. I had the standard smoking on startup and large plumes of smoke on full throttle upshifts. On test my turbos were only achieving about 0.5bar on full boost when I dropped it off with them.
I was told the replacement oil lines now have a one way valve which the originals didn't which stops oil being pulled back into the turbos on big pressure changes. The turbos are also revised and are now the same as the 992 which have additional protection around the main actuator.
I was told the replacement oil lines now have a one way valve which the originals didn't which stops oil being pulled back into the turbos on big pressure changes. The turbos are also revised and are now the same as the 992 which have additional protection around the main actuator.
Looks like Porsche has become complacent with their reputation for build quality, if this was happening to this extent from a certain British supercar manufacturer, there would be a lot of abuse around reliability issues. The saving grace is that the extended Warranty is quite cheap to compensate
PinkHouse said:
Looks like Porsche has become complacent with their reputation for build quality, if this was happening to this extent from a certain British supercar manufacturer, there would be a lot of abuse around reliability issues. The saving grace is that the extended Warranty is quite cheap to compensate
They haven’t had a reputation for good build quality since the 1990s!My 991.2 S had both turbos replaced at 11k and 20k.
I wouldn’t own this gen without a warranty - it’s not expensive anyhow and for me is a no brainier on the modern cars.
As above there are updated design to try and stop it - I’ve only heard of a couple of 992 go this far so it seems to be less prone but high corrosion will effect eventually I suppose
I wouldn’t own this gen without a warranty - it’s not expensive anyhow and for me is a no brainier on the modern cars.
As above there are updated design to try and stop it - I’ve only heard of a couple of 992 go this far so it seems to be less prone but high corrosion will effect eventually I suppose
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