Harris on the 996 GT3 RS - new vid
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I had understood the 996RS was closer to the 996 than any other GT3 version, essentially a GT3 with a number of relatively minor tweaks to shell, suspension, gearbox etc. More build detail than a fundamentally different car underneath ? a 20-30kg saving and more track focussed build ?
Adrian-9iafn said:
I had understood the 996RS was closer to the 996 than any other GT3 version, essentially a GT3 with a number of relatively minor tweaks to shell, suspension, gearbox etc. More build detail than a fundamentally different car underneath ? a 20-30kg saving and more track focussed build ?
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-gt2-gt3-forum/807524-the-ok-exactly-what-is-in-a-996-gt3-rs-thread.htmlEdited by Slippydiff on Thursday 4th April 10:43
It is quite usual for Porsche to offer insight (or test ?) in a gen2 what was potentially to appear in the next generation.
Hence even with the limited number of 996.1 GT3CS that the later cars had Gen2 electric mirrors and a couple of other features which I now forget !
It is of course also possible that they just ran out of the earlier parts and wanted to build more cars ...
The 996.2 GT3RS was different enough to be the homologation vehicle for the 2004 GT3RSR endurance racers ... clearly neither the 996.1CS which had homologated the 1999/2000 GT3R nor the 996.2 GT3 were able to do this ...
Hence even with the limited number of 996.1 GT3CS that the later cars had Gen2 electric mirrors and a couple of other features which I now forget !
It is of course also possible that they just ran out of the earlier parts and wanted to build more cars ...
The 996.2 GT3RS was different enough to be the homologation vehicle for the 2004 GT3RSR endurance racers ... clearly neither the 996.1CS which had homologated the 1999/2000 GT3R nor the 996.2 GT3 were able to do this ...
Steve Rance said:
Hardly a sticker upgrade. The 6RS had so many costly upgrades that it was the only 911 that Porsche actually sold at a loss. Lazily put together film.
Actually I think maybe you were there for the dyno and track day.All a bit hazy now as it was about 20 years ago.
Pretty sure it was Bedford for the track day.
Anyway, I liked mine, felt very special but not brilliant on the road as it constantly pulled to the camber, although now that analogue feel would be sought after.
love the 996 gt3 rs, i believe the blue was an option but rarely taken up so very few rhd blue rs.
Chris Harris as an independent car guy.... well i have always found even from early days there was always a motive or sponsor lurking but good luck to him, he is making a living. And i bet he enjoys his days better than i do when at work
Chris Harris as an independent car guy.... well i have always found even from early days there was always a motive or sponsor lurking but good luck to him, he is making a living. And i bet he enjoys his days better than i do when at work
ChrisW. said:
The 996.2 GT3RS was different enough to be the homologation vehicle for the 2004 GT3RSR endurance racers ... clearly neither the 996.1CS which had homologated the 1999/2000 GT3R nor the 996.2 GT3 were able to do this ...
Preuninger mentioned in a video which I think he did with Harris that the first 200 996 GT3 RS’s had a slightly different engine spec for the purpose of homologation. It was the video where they walked round a warehouse will all the Preuninger era GT cars talking about most of the cars individually. Might have been when they launched 991.2. Edited by Cheib on Friday 5th April 19:58
What a great video ... 673 cars and the first 200 were special ... they only expected to make 200 (which had engine improvements to the cylinder heads) ... and kept on taking orders until they ran out of parts and the tools were shot.
So why aren't they worth as much as the 997 Gt3R 4.0 ??
So why aren't they worth as much as the 997 Gt3R 4.0 ??
ChrisW. said:
What a great video ... 673 cars and the first 200 were special ... they only expected to make 200 (which had engine improvements to the cylinder heads) ... and kept on taking orders until they ran out of parts and the tools were shot.
So why aren't they worth as much as the 997 Gt3R 4.0 ??
They seem to have come up in value. I have some later cars, but the 996 never came to North America officially so they are even rarer here. I do think values will increase further.So why aren't they worth as much as the 997 Gt3R 4.0 ??
Initial GT3RS say 2001 engines had issues as many blew , hence hard to find a matching numbers car ( Just sold my Friesinger car which was ) . They also used a pint of oil and hour generally , hence the oil level gauge in the rear quarter window . This is possibly why hiomologation of new parts was needed ?
The homologated parts were mainly the suspension pick up points and front hubs. Specifically to reduce bump steer issues that the early RS race cars suffered from. The revised pick ups were later translated into the 997GT3. There were a lot of revisions to the RS over the Gen 2 GT3. The character of the car was more race car for the road rather than road car for the track. As such it is very sensitive to set up changes. This initially caused problems as most OPC’s did not understand this and many cars were sent out with a ‘there or there abouts’ set up which translated into a twitchy and unpredictable car leading to owners being intimidated by the car. With a good set up these cars are sublime to drive on the road as well as the track. I remember During the time that I was racing a 996 cup, driving my 6RS to the dealership for an MOT and being struck by how similar it was to drive. It felt like Almost the same car. Quieter and more civilised but essentially the same. Certainly not the case when comparing the 997RS to the 997 Cup. I think that the 996RS represents the closest meeting point between a road going GT3 and the Cup version. All 996GT3’s are brilliant cars but the RS is something very special. It remains to this day the best 911 that I have ever driven
Edited by Steve Rance on Friday 5th April 18:53
Steve Rance said:
The homologated parts were mainly the suspension pick up points and front hubs. Specifically to reduce bump steer issues that the early RS race cars suffered from. The revised pick ups were later translated into the 997GT3. There were a lot of revisions to the RS over the Gen 2 GT3. The character of the car was more race car for the road rather than road car for the track. As such it is very sensitive to set up changes. This initially caused problems as most OPC’s did not understand this and many cars were sent out with a ‘there or there abouts’ set up which translated into a twitchy and unpredictable car leading to owners being intimidated by the car. With a good set up these cars are sublime to drive on the road as well as the track. I remember During the time that I was racing a 996 cup, driving my 6RS to the dealership for an MOT and being struck by how similar it was to drive. It felt like Almost the same car. Quieter and more civilised but essentially the same. Certainly not the case when comparing the 997RS to the 997 Cup. I think that the 996RS represents the closest meeting point between a road going GT3 and the Cup version. All 996GT3’s are brilliant cars but the RS is something very special. It remains to this day the best 911 that I have ever driven
Ahem, bar one obviously Steve … 
Slippydiff said:
Adrian-9iafn said:
I had understood the 996RS was closer to the 996 than any other GT3 version, essentially a GT3 with a number of relatively minor tweaks to shell, suspension, gearbox etc. More build detail than a fundamentally different car underneath ? a 20-30kg saving and more track focussed build ?
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-gt2-gt3-forum/807524-the-ok-exactly-what-is-in-a-996-gt3-rs-thread.htmlEdited by Slippydiff on Thursday 4th April 10:43
Are these difference to the GT3 ?
ChrisW. said:
Not wishing to be critical, but did Chris really say anything ???
Only around 600 of these were manufactured so they are rare things ... but the UK ended up with around 130 of them (110 rhd and the rest lhd ?) ...
The engines were reputed to be around 400bhp ... single mass flywheel where the GT3 was dual ... and I'm sure there was a fair amount more difference from the "ordinary" GT3.
At least he didn't use the term "motor car" every 30 seconds. Only around 600 of these were manufactured so they are rare things ... but the UK ended up with around 130 of them (110 rhd and the rest lhd ?) ...
The engines were reputed to be around 400bhp ... single mass flywheel where the GT3 was dual ... and I'm sure there was a fair amount more difference from the "ordinary" GT3.
Adrian-9iafn said:
Thanks, but looking through the long list I'm not sure what's different, it looks like a lot of necessary build parts, not unique parts ? a large number are actually stickers !
Are these difference to the GT3 ?
Are these difference to the GT3 ?
Slippydiff said:
The 996 GT3 RS used what were effectively 997.1 GT3 cylinder heads, which one imagines had larger ports and utilised the smaller spark plugs seen in the 997.1 GT3 engine.
The engines were more powerful, several owners on here have dyno'd them at 400hp + and the ram/cold air ducts on the engine cover are supposed to give further improvements in power production at higher speeds.
The 996 GT3 RS front suspension uprights are basically the two clamp bolt 997.1 GT3 steel brake items.
The RS rear uprights are different, as are the rear subframe side sections. All parts optimised for running the race cars as low as possible whilst gaining improved geometry suitable for the large cambers required but avoiding the bumpsteer issues the Mk1 and 2 cars suffered when lowered drastically for circuit use, but it has to be said all the modifications are pretty pointless on a road car. So it could be said the RS was a true homologation special from that perspective.
More detail here : The engines were more powerful, several owners on here have dyno'd them at 400hp + and the ram/cold air ducts on the engine cover are supposed to give further improvements in power production at higher speeds.
The 996 GT3 RS front suspension uprights are basically the two clamp bolt 997.1 GT3 steel brake items.
The RS rear uprights are different, as are the rear subframe side sections. All parts optimised for running the race cars as low as possible whilst gaining improved geometry suitable for the large cambers required but avoiding the bumpsteer issues the Mk1 and 2 cars suffered when lowered drastically for circuit use, but it has to be said all the modifications are pretty pointless on a road car. So it could be said the RS was a true homologation special from that perspective.
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