Harris on the 996 GT3 RS - new vid

Harris on the 996 GT3 RS - new vid

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Harris_I

3,228 posts

259 months

Sunday 7th April
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This is completely anecdotal but my own mk 2 996 GT3 had a particularly healthy engine. I wonder if it had the same cylinder heads as the RS?

I thought the air ducts on the engine cover of the RS were for aero reasons and not power (the RS radiator was slightly canted to position it for the airflow IIRC but my memory may be playing tricks). My car was heavily track biased (closer to Cup spec than RS) and I had the RS engine cover so perhaps this helped as well.

There were many occasions on track where its straight line speed surprised other drivers. I recall a Ferrari 430 owner asking me what engine upgrades after he struggled to keep up on the main straight at the Dubai Autodrome (answer: nothing) and a 550 owner being especially miffed which was particularly satisfying.

After that latter altercation, public track days at the Dubai Autodrome separated Ferraris from Porsches just to keep the peace. biglaugh

Steve Rance

5,446 posts

231 months

Sunday 7th April
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You don’t need to run the ride height of a 6RS stupidly low to feel the geometry benefits. The rolling radius of an 18inch wheel with a 35 sidewall tyre is much lower than an 18 running slicks. We couldn’t run slicks on the sharpest RS road set up because they wouldn’t fit under the arches. That makes the benefit window relatively accessible for the road car. I’ve driven probably close to 1000 laps in all versions 996GT3’s in a wide range of suspension hardware and set ups and the RS is substantially better when compared to other 6 GT3’s when similarly optimised. It feels like a different car

Slippydiff

14,835 posts

223 months

Sunday 7th April
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Harris_I said:
This is completely anecdotal but my own mk 2 996 GT3 had a particularly healthy engine. I wonder if it had the same cylinder heads as the RS?

I thought the air ducts on the engine cover of the RS were for aero reasons and not power (the RS radiator was slightly canted to position it for the airflow IIRC but my memory may be playing tricks). My car was heavily track biased (closer to Cup spec than RS) and I had the RS engine cover so perhaps this helped as well.

There were many occasions on track where its straight line speed surprised other drivers. I recall a Ferrari 430 owner asking me what engine upgrades after he struggled to keep up on the main straight at the Dubai Autodrome (answer: nothing) and a 550 owner being especially miffed which was particularly satisfying.

After that latter altercation, public track days at the Dubai Autodrome separated Ferraris from Porsches just to keep the peace. biglaugh
The 996 GT3 RS road car radiator wasn’t equipped with the chimney required to duct hot air up and out of the vents on the top surface of the front bumper and over the bonnet. Unlike the GT2 which was equipped with the required chimney.

Dr S

4,997 posts

226 months

Monday 8th April
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Love the 6RS - even more so when it comes with blue stripes and wheels ;-) Had one of the most enjoyable days on track with a somehwat modded one at Ascari. What a brilliant piece of kit this car is

PRO5T

3,959 posts

25 months

Monday 8th April
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There's someone on our WhatsApp 996 GT3 group who is updating his with RS suspension parts.

Digga

40,330 posts

283 months

Tuesday 9th April
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PRO5T said:
There's someone on our WhatsApp 996 GT3 group who is updating his with RS suspension parts.
Decent shocks and ball/rose jointed suspension goodies can work wonders on a stock GT3 996 or 7. Nowhere near as noisy as people lead you to believe, but far better controlled.

PRO5T

3,959 posts

25 months

Tuesday 9th April
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Digga said:
PRO5T said:
There's someone on our WhatsApp 996 GT3 group who is updating his with RS suspension parts.
Decent shocks and ball/rose jointed suspension goodies can work wonders on a stock GT3 996 or 7. Nowhere near as noisy as people lead you to believe, but far better controlled.
Mine has JRZ and full balls, it's load but then it's being run with no carpets hehe

Steve Rance

5,446 posts

231 months

Wednesday 10th April
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The suspension upgrades to the RS are worth about a second a lap in optimum set up. To install all of it on a M2 GT3 would come at a very high cost. There are far cheaper ways of finding a second. In terms of lap speed the costs of that upgrade outweigh the benefits unless you had already optimised everything else and had seriously deep pockets. To counter that, the driving experience is much more involving as the chassis gives you a lot more information for a driver to filter. For a driver seeking the ultimate analog experience it may be worth the cost but for the marginal difference in cost you would probably be better off buying an RS anyway

PRO5T

3,959 posts

25 months

Wednesday 10th April
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Would it not be simpler buying the latest cup car parts you can get or are those in short supply these days steve?

Digga

40,330 posts

283 months

Wednesday 10th April
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PRO5T said:
Digga said:
PRO5T said:
There's someone on our WhatsApp 996 GT3 group who is updating his with RS suspension parts.
Decent shocks and ball/rose jointed suspension goodies can work wonders on a stock GT3 996 or 7. Nowhere near as noisy as people lead you to believe, but far better controlled.
Mine has JRZ and full balls, it's load but then it's being run with no carpets hehe
RSS and Ohlins FTW. biggrin

Steve Rance

5,446 posts

231 months

Wednesday 10th April
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PRO5T said:
Would it not be simpler buying the latest cup car parts you can get or are those in short supply these days steve?
Think the hubs and other upgrades went straight into the RSR and skipped the Cup car. It may have them.

I have a 996Gen 1 with an RSR gearbox and many motorsport chassis upgrades. I’m about to have exactly the same geo put in it that Parr ended up with in my RS. I’ll drive both cars and feed back. That will give a definitive answer

993rsr

3,434 posts

249 months

Wednesday 10th April
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Steve Rance said:
PRO5T said:
Would it not be simpler buying the latest cup car parts you can get or are those in short supply these days steve?
Think the hubs and other upgrades went straight into the RSR and skipped the Cup car. It may have them.

I have a 996Gen 1 with an RSR gearbox and many motorsport chassis upgrades. I’m about to have exactly the same geo put in it that Parr ended up with in my RS. I’ll drive both cars and feed back. That will give a definitive answer
Originally the gearbox was out of a 996 Cup car Steve that Neil Bainbridge supplied, assuming you are referring to the Bean?

Steve Rance

5,446 posts

231 months

Wednesday 10th April
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Makes sense. I was told it was an RSR box but the third gear is too short. There seems to be a little confusion regarding the diff too. Can you shed some light?

Slippydiff

14,835 posts

223 months

Wednesday 10th April
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Pretty sure Matt at F/Sport said it was an RSR ‘box.
Are the Cup, R, RS and RSR ‘box not the same item but with different ratios ?

993rsr

3,434 posts

249 months

Wednesday 10th April
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Steve Rance said:
Makes sense. I was told it was an RSR box but the third gear is too short. There seems to be a little confusion regarding the diff too. Can you shed some light?
It was a 996 Cup transmission 100% - with at that point - shortened 5th and 6th and an 8:32 CW+P.

Bullet proof compared to the OEM trans with the brass synchros and flex that the OEM box had. A great car, still miss it!

https://vimeo.com/8822161

Edited by 993rsr on Wednesday 10th April 20:38

Steve Rance

5,446 posts

231 months

Wednesday 10th April
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Slippy, yep they are the same. The bean definitely has cup ratios.

So it’s a cup diff John?

Edited by Steve Rance on Wednesday 10th April 20:45

ChrisW.

6,316 posts

255 months

Wednesday 10th April
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The 996GT3 MkI did have bronze synchros .... the MkII were steel from the start and many Mk1's had the bronze synchros replaced with steel. One of my cars had this done under the Porsche extended warranty ...

993rsr

3,434 posts

249 months

Wednesday 10th April
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ChrisW. said:
The 996GT3 MkI did have bronze synchros .... the MkII were steel from the start and many Mk1's had the bronze synchros replaced with steel. One of my cars had this done under the Porsche extended warranty ...
Sorry bronze - or chocolate more like 👍

PRO5T

3,959 posts

25 months

Wednesday 10th April
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Great info team PH. Who’d a thunk it would come from a CH sales pitch smile

We should start a Mezger GT3 thread.

ChrisW.

6,316 posts

255 months

Wednesday 10th April
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They even did a radio controlled version ... specced by Robert Morley for the Gumball Rally which he then did in another car ... hence the antenna for enhanced radio signal smile

P.S. Look how low the brake cooling ducts are !

Edited by ChrisW. on Thursday 11th April 08:54