996-997 wet-sump engine reliability: enter your stats here!
Discussion
nxi20 said:
2002 C4 56,300 miles, original engine and no RMS failure that I know of.
And what do you hope to gain from this survey??????????Like in the garage, we only see the bad ones, the good ones far out way them.
Buy your used car warrenty's, never understand people not buying them and then moaning when PCGB wont offer good will claim, epecially when they have had them serviced at none OPC garage
Porsche Tech said:
And what do you hope to gain from this survey??????????
.. Thanks 'Porsche Tech' , you and your 4 posts tell me that this topic is worth something .. You wouldn't have bothered posting if it didn't touch a nerve. Now don't go wasting precious posts by replying there's a good chap.I feel very strongly that if this topic is held as a sticky for the next few months , it'll be the closest thing to date that we'll have , of real figures on 996 RMS and engine failures.
Please folks , if you've not already done so , post your 996 stats ... stat!!
Hi Ballcock total agreement with your comments. If Porsche built them right in the first place i would be surprised if the OPCs had more than 1 car a year with these faults not every week. Now ten years down the line they still have not cured it. And as for having to buy a warranty because your scared every time you go out your likely to return on a Lowloader is crazy. The only reason the warranty is as cheap as it is ,Maybe Porsche subsidies this alot rather than having to having to do a recall to fix the problem for good.
As my old man used to say to me ,If you let someone catch you once shame on them.Let them catch you twice shame on you.
As my old man used to say to me ,If you let someone catch you once shame on them.Let them catch you twice shame on you.
Oh come off it.
Porsche Tech is right. And he's had the balls to post his real name on his profile.
Buy a high performance car without a warranty and you'll have to pay through the nose when it breaks. Simple.
The warranty is insurance, nothing more. The premium reflects the claim numbers. Porsche can do a full warranty on a £100,000 GT2 for £895. A BMW M3 warranty costs £1800.
Ergo, the losses on BMWs must be heavier.
But a 996, enjoy it, but protect against the worst with OPC warranty. Or risk it, but as Porsceh Tech says, why should a dealer who didn't sell or service the car give a goodwill payment??
Porsche Tech said:
nxi20 said:
2002 C4 56,300 miles, original engine and no RMS failure that I know of.
And what do you hope to gain from this survey??????????Like in the garage, we only see the bad ones, the good ones far out way them.
Buy your used car warrenty's, never understand people not buying them and then moaning when PCGB wont offer good will claim, epecially when they have had them serviced at none OPC garage
Each is entitled to have faith or not in the outcome of this thread, but not to wish that it stops. It has already gathered significant contribution and may already have value.
Kay
fastfreddy said:
There are plenty of other threads on here discussing the merits of warranties and who should pay for what etc.
Let's keep this one focussed on the stats shall we?
Fastfreddy, Dunit, Ballcock, Tonikaram Let's keep this one focussed on the stats shall we?
To the others disparaging this thread, please read the numerous posts defending it (within said thread) and then please go and discuss warranty merits elsewhere. Thank you.
And if you still want to argue, then consider this: It amazes me to think that so many disparagers are effectively saying it is okay for 5%, 10% or possibly more of one's favourite consumer product to have a fly (or dead animal) in it. Some also consider it a "result" that the manufacturer will exchange it for a new one (which might also have yet another fly or dead animal in it). Great!
I also note some of the disparagers have not posted their reliability stats, even though they have experiences directly of relevance.
So, may I gently but firmly echo the aforementioned requests: Please let's keep this firmly on topic. If you have no stats to contribute, and can do nothing but disparage, then please leave well alone.
Thank you.
Edited by bcnrml on Sunday 8th July 13:37
Current stats:
Out of 56 996's:
- 12.5% or 7 engine failures (four 3.4 and three 3.6)
- 54% or 30 cases have had RMS. When you have it, you get it on average 1.3 times.
- 39% or 22 cases have had none of these two problems (twelve 3.4s, nine 3.6, one unspecified).
In the survey, there are twenty-six 3,6s, twenty-six 3.4s, and four unspecified
RMS distribution:
1998 2 RMS out of 4 cars in survey
1999 4 RMS out of 9 cars in survey
2000 3 RMS out of 7 cars in survey
2001 3 RMS out of 4 cars in survey
2002 7 RMS out of 10 cars in survey
2003 6 RMS out of 9 cars in survey
2004 0 RMS out of 4 cars in survey
9 entries in the stats didn't specify the year. 5 were affected by RMS, 4 not.
engine failure distribution:
1998 2 failures out of 4 cars in survey
1999 2 failures out of 9 cars in survey
2000 0 failures out of 7 cars in survey
2001 0 failures out of 4 cars in survey
2002 2 failures out of 10 cars in survey
2003 0 failures out of 9 cars in survey
2004 1 failure out 4 cars in survey
9 entries didn't specify the year, none with a failure.
enginefailure failuremileage rms rmsmileage currentmileage enginesize year username
1 failure 3 RMS 36 3.6 2002 xTVR
1 failure No RMS 48 3.4 1998 siko
no failure 1 RMS 55 3.6 2001 Wetwipe
no failure no RMS Bumcrack
no failure 1 RMS Wanta996
no failure 1 RMS Wanta996
no failure 1 RMS Wanta996
no failure 1 RMS 18 30 3.6 2002 steve996
no failure 1 RMS 55 64 3.4 1998 jonny996
no failure 1 RMS 53 56 3.4 1999 Ballcock
no failure 1 RMS 26 3.4 2001 2something
1 failure 10 No RMS 3.4 1999 fastfreddy
1 failure 25 No RMS 25 3.6 2004 hussar10a
no failure 3 RMS 25 3.6 2003 Dreammeister
no failure 1 RMS 3.6 Geneve
no failure no RMS 3.4 Geneve
no failure 2 RMS 3.6 2002 whoami
no failure no RMS 11 3.6 2004 C4SCAB
no failure 1 RMS 62 3.4 1999 HONEYMON57ER
no failure no RMS 7 3.4 2000 mbutchers
no failure no RMS 5 3.6 2003 mbutchers
no failure 1 RMS 18 3.6 2003 mbutchers
no failure 1 RMS 40 60 3.4 1999 nbetts
no failure no RMS 25 3.6 2003 nbetts
no failure 1 RMS 30 3.4 2000 R1_JON
no failure no RMS 3.4 Homer J
no failure 2 RMS 35 3.6 2003 deevee
1 failure 29 1 RMS 29 3.6 2002 joelasagna
no failure 1 RMS 48 3.6 2002 baptistsan
no failure no RMS 55 3.4 1999 The Griffalo
no failure no RMS 19 3.4 2000 Ir Baboon
no failure 1 RMS 30 68 3.4 2000 Vesuvius 996
no failure 1 RMS 42 3.4 DucatiGary
no failure no RMS 24 3.6 2004 andrew!
no failure no RMS 66 3.4 1998 EVO575
no failure no RMS 95 3.4 1999 Ogiii
no failure 3 RMS 45 3.6 2001 thepilsbury
no failure no RMS 32 3.6 2002 wadfa
no failure no RMS 67 3.4 1999 LeeME3
no failure no RMS 17 3.6 2004 widebody
1 failure 86 no RMS 3.4 1999 italiansummer
no failure 1 RMS 27 3.6 2003 alxce
1 failure 70 1 RMS 3.4 1998 TheMonster
no failure 1 RMS 15 3.6 2003 fulham911club
no failure 1 RMS 11 3.4 1999 Jessica_Wabbit
no failure 1 RMS 4 3.6 2003 Jessica_Wabbit
no failure no RMS 52 3.4 2000 tracer.smart
no failure 1 RMS 52 3.6 2002 Spid
no failure no RMS 48 3.4 2001 Neilpeel59
no failure 2 RMS 80 3.6 2002 flow99
no failure no RMS 54 3.4 Fabster
no failure 1 RMS 27 3.4 2000 Ragtop
no failure no RMS 12 3.6 2002 Ragtop
no failure no RMS 49 3.4 2000 Diesel130
no failure no RMS 56 3.6 2002 nxi20
no failure no RMS 9 3.6 2003 C4S 3.6
Kay
Out of 56 996's:
- 12.5% or 7 engine failures (four 3.4 and three 3.6)
- 54% or 30 cases have had RMS. When you have it, you get it on average 1.3 times.
- 39% or 22 cases have had none of these two problems (twelve 3.4s, nine 3.6, one unspecified).
In the survey, there are twenty-six 3,6s, twenty-six 3.4s, and four unspecified
RMS distribution:
1998 2 RMS out of 4 cars in survey
1999 4 RMS out of 9 cars in survey
2000 3 RMS out of 7 cars in survey
2001 3 RMS out of 4 cars in survey
2002 7 RMS out of 10 cars in survey
2003 6 RMS out of 9 cars in survey
2004 0 RMS out of 4 cars in survey
9 entries in the stats didn't specify the year. 5 were affected by RMS, 4 not.
engine failure distribution:
1998 2 failures out of 4 cars in survey
1999 2 failures out of 9 cars in survey
2000 0 failures out of 7 cars in survey
2001 0 failures out of 4 cars in survey
2002 2 failures out of 10 cars in survey
2003 0 failures out of 9 cars in survey
2004 1 failure out 4 cars in survey
9 entries didn't specify the year, none with a failure.
enginefailure failuremileage rms rmsmileage currentmileage enginesize year username
1 failure 3 RMS 36 3.6 2002 xTVR
1 failure No RMS 48 3.4 1998 siko
no failure 1 RMS 55 3.6 2001 Wetwipe
no failure no RMS Bumcrack
no failure 1 RMS Wanta996
no failure 1 RMS Wanta996
no failure 1 RMS Wanta996
no failure 1 RMS 18 30 3.6 2002 steve996
no failure 1 RMS 55 64 3.4 1998 jonny996
no failure 1 RMS 53 56 3.4 1999 Ballcock
no failure 1 RMS 26 3.4 2001 2something
1 failure 10 No RMS 3.4 1999 fastfreddy
1 failure 25 No RMS 25 3.6 2004 hussar10a
no failure 3 RMS 25 3.6 2003 Dreammeister
no failure 1 RMS 3.6 Geneve
no failure no RMS 3.4 Geneve
no failure 2 RMS 3.6 2002 whoami
no failure no RMS 11 3.6 2004 C4SCAB
no failure 1 RMS 62 3.4 1999 HONEYMON57ER
no failure no RMS 7 3.4 2000 mbutchers
no failure no RMS 5 3.6 2003 mbutchers
no failure 1 RMS 18 3.6 2003 mbutchers
no failure 1 RMS 40 60 3.4 1999 nbetts
no failure no RMS 25 3.6 2003 nbetts
no failure 1 RMS 30 3.4 2000 R1_JON
no failure no RMS 3.4 Homer J
no failure 2 RMS 35 3.6 2003 deevee
1 failure 29 1 RMS 29 3.6 2002 joelasagna
no failure 1 RMS 48 3.6 2002 baptistsan
no failure no RMS 55 3.4 1999 The Griffalo
no failure no RMS 19 3.4 2000 Ir Baboon
no failure 1 RMS 30 68 3.4 2000 Vesuvius 996
no failure 1 RMS 42 3.4 DucatiGary
no failure no RMS 24 3.6 2004 andrew!
no failure no RMS 66 3.4 1998 EVO575
no failure no RMS 95 3.4 1999 Ogiii
no failure 3 RMS 45 3.6 2001 thepilsbury
no failure no RMS 32 3.6 2002 wadfa
no failure no RMS 67 3.4 1999 LeeME3
no failure no RMS 17 3.6 2004 widebody
1 failure 86 no RMS 3.4 1999 italiansummer
no failure 1 RMS 27 3.6 2003 alxce
1 failure 70 1 RMS 3.4 1998 TheMonster
no failure 1 RMS 15 3.6 2003 fulham911club
no failure 1 RMS 11 3.4 1999 Jessica_Wabbit
no failure 1 RMS 4 3.6 2003 Jessica_Wabbit
no failure no RMS 52 3.4 2000 tracer.smart
no failure 1 RMS 52 3.6 2002 Spid
no failure no RMS 48 3.4 2001 Neilpeel59
no failure 2 RMS 80 3.6 2002 flow99
no failure no RMS 54 3.4 Fabster
no failure 1 RMS 27 3.4 2000 Ragtop
no failure no RMS 12 3.6 2002 Ragtop
no failure no RMS 49 3.4 2000 Diesel130
no failure no RMS 56 3.6 2002 nxi20
no failure no RMS 9 3.6 2003 C4S 3.6
Kay
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