Boxster Spyder

[DS240]

daro911 said:

DS240 said:

Anyone seen what the new spyders are going for now the supply has started? It seems GT4s are attracting quite a premium but not sure if spyders are also?

Spydermen order there cars for pride of ownership & driving pleasure not a quick profit

But there is always one prepared to cash in

http://www.alastairbols.com/cars/c6a223/cars-for-s...

Edited by daro911 on Monday 19th October 18:20

Errrrr..... It's a question if people have seen any for sale and therefore what to expect to pay if you wanted one if you hadn't ordered one.

I have enjoyed owning and driving my Spyder for 5 and a bit years now.

However I do know of an unallocated new Spyder sat for sale.

[bcr5784]

anonymous said:

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Personally I really can't get fussed about wheelarch clearance, cotton reel wheels and much else. But if I was .. the fact that the rear wheels are not central within the rear arches would irritate the hell out of me.

[bcr5784]

anonymous said:

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Looks the same from that angle too given that's a rather more oblique front 3/4 angle. Like I say not something that amounts to a hill of beans to me.

[bcr5784]

anonymous said:

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Suggest you measure a 981 if you have one to hand (I have - and just did). The reason it isn't central is because the trailing arm locating the rear wheel slopes upwards towards the front of the car. As the rear suspension is compressed (or is set lower) the wheel moves slightly backwards. So for PASM (10mm lower ) or SS (20mm lower) the wheel moves progressively to the rear of centre. Not by much - but enough to be noticeable if you are fussy about such things.

Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 19th October 21:46

[JPF40]

bcr5784 said:

Suggest you measure a 981 if you have one to hand (I have - and just did). The reason it isn't central is because the trailing arm locating the rear wheel slopes upwards towards the front of the car. As the rear suspension is compressed (or is set lower) the wheel moves slightly backwards. So for PASM (10mm lower ) or SS (20mm lower) the wheel moves progressively to the rear of centre. Not by much - but enough to be noticeable if you are fussy about such things.

Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 19th October 21:46

Your hypothesis, if correct, would cause toe out and massive oversteer.

I don't give a fk what it looks like when the car is under load, as always this forum is frequented with some of the weirdest posts I've come across! It's entertaining though.

Edited by JPF40 on Monday 19th October 22:57

[bcr5784]

anonymous said:

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I have MEASURED it on my PASM car. Yes the amount is small - but it is visible and for those who choose X73 for appearance reasons (and even more for those who fit spacers to minimise wheel arch clearance) I would have thought it an issue. As I say for me it doesn't matter - I don't regard the car as an ornament or object of desire, but many clearly do.

[JPF40]

bcr5784 said:

I have MEASURED it on my PASM car. Yes the amount is small - but it is visible and for those who choose X73 for appearance reasons (and even more for those who fit spacers to minimise wheel arch clearance) I would have thought it an issue. As I say for me it doesn't matter - I don't regard the car as an ornament or object of desire, but many clearly do.

If you measured it, did you jack the suspension up? I can't believe that There will be any bump steer in the geometry. Did you measure the toe?

[bcr5784]

JPF40 said:

If you measured it, did you jack the suspension up? I can't believe that There will be any bump steer in the geometry. Did you measure the toe?

No I measured it statically - because I look at it statically. The bump steer argument is a complete red herring - if the wheel moves up with an upward sloping trailing link, it also moves backwards a bit - it's a simple matter of geometry as even moose acknowledges. It's a simple fact that if the wheel is centred within the arch at standard ride height, it will be aft of centre with PASM or X73 unless you change the effective length of the trailing arm, or the pick up point.

It's just a matter of whether you can see it or not, and whether it bothers you or not. But I really can't be bothered to argue about it - it's a tiny detail - I'm just pointing it out. The sort of owner who is concerned about tiny details such as steering wheel stitching or indicator colours might be bothered - as I say I'm not.

[JPF40]

bcr5784 said:

No I measured it statically - because I look at it statically. The bump steer argument is a complete red herring - if the wheel moves up with an upward sloping trailing link, it also moves backwards a bit - it's a simple matter of geometry as even moose acknowledges. It's a simple fact that if the wheel is centred within the arch at standard ride height, it will be aft of centre with PASM or X73 unless you change the effective length of the trailing arm, or the pick up point.

It's just a matter of whether you can see it or not, and whether it bothers you or not. But I really can't be bothered to argue about it - it's a tiny detail - I'm just pointing it out. The sort of owner who is concerned about tiny details such as steering wheel stitching or indicator colours might be bothered - as I say I'm not.

Luckily for me I'm only worried about how it drives. Should find out in a few weeks time.

[av185]

Some rather uninteresting phsycologically OCD comments appearing.....

Looks like mine could now be a new year car despite being first OPC delivery.

[99sefton]

Could someone please advise if the distance on my stitching exceeds health and safety guidelines please
Now really worried about this point given the effect on my wheels being bent backwards by a geo arm !

[911gt3rs]

99sefton said:

Could someone please advise if the distance on my stitching exceeds health and safety guidelines please
Now really worried about this point given the effect on my wheels being bent backwards by a geo arm !

[bcr5784]

av185 said:

Some rather uninteresting phsycologically OCD comments appearing.....

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They've been appearing for a long time - the point I was obliquely making.

[jayxx83]

Are a lot of you guys getting 981's chopping in your 987's. Seems a lot of spyders for sale at present!

[TB303]

jayxx83 said:

Are a lot of you guys getting 981's chopping in your 987's. Seems a lot of spyders for sale at present!

Wow - you're right. I count 18 on pistonheads. For what is a niche car, that's a buyers market if ever there was one.

[g7jhp]

TB303 said:

jayxx83 said:

Are a lot of you guys getting 981's chopping in your 987's. Seems a lot of spyders for sale at present!

Wow - you're right. I count 18 on pistonheads. For what is a niche car, that's a buyers market if ever there was one.

Especially at this time of year - heading into winter, wet and dark nights.

[daro911]

TB303 said:

jayxx83 said:

Are a lot of you guys getting 981's chopping in your 987's. Seems a lot of spyders for sale at present!

Wow - you're right. I count 18 on pistonheads. For what is a niche car, that's a buyers market if ever there was one.

The used Spyder market has been very weak in 2010/11 when there were circa 20 cars continually available then through 2014 to summer 2015 the choice was anything from 2-6 cars keeping the prices very firm on the very best examples

Since late summer the used Spyder numbers have been rising to a level where it has become a buyers market and not a sellers

Personally I was hoping the price difference between a low mileage 1st class condition 987 V a nearly new 981 Spyder would be so great that it might have lifted the used 987 prices closer to say £50k retail but with so many out there and so few actually selling right now my wish seems to be going south

[TB303]

Yeah. Half of those could be speculative sales from people who don't need to sell....

I think it must be related to the 981 - niche product with focused niche buyers probably upgrading to the new one (cue a barrage of people telling us how the 987 is the sweeter car, better looking yadda yadda).

People who own Spyders love their Spyders.

[bcr5784]

anonymous said:

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It is indeed about 2mm if you do the sums - which squares with the 1mm or so difference on my car. I noticed the difference on my car not on the picture. And hence I raised the point - it is perfectly visible on a car if you look for it, which is the point I made. The gap from tyre to wheelarch is only about 40mm and a 2mm difference fore and aft is easily spotted if you look.

Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 21st October 17:05

[av185]

TB303 said:

jayxx83 said:

Are a lot of you guys getting 981's chopping in your 987's. Seems a lot of spyders for sale at present!

Wow - you're right. I count 18 on pistonheads. For what is a niche car, that's a buyers market if ever there was one.

Most are considered to be up at stupid money too and as winter bites more will appear for sale demand will weaken and prices plummet. Anyone selling now will regret not taking reasonable bids before the softop sale cut off date widely regarded as the last week in August.