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bcr5784 said:
Not convinced about that. I frankly doubt that a Porsche dealer buying the car would care so long as the car had be serviced by the book, and a private buyer - who presumably is a more skeptical of the value of an OPC - might well take the view that an Indy could do as good a job as an OPC.
I think most private buyers would prefer a OPC history, more the exception who would think a indie might be better.981UK said:
I think most private buyers would prefer a OPC history, more the exception who would think a indie might be better.
It would be interesting to see a poll. I think private buyers are the sort who might be somewhat skeptical of the added value OPCs offered (or they would tend to buy there) but I'm speculating - as a I presume you are.Well in my case it would have been JZM, who would be the only people I would ask to sell it so can't see a problem.
As an aside and more on topic I have never owned a performance car this long. Its not better necessarily but more compelling to me than:
997 GT3 RS & M3 CSL, two cars I sold to make room for it...
As an aside and more on topic I have never owned a performance car this long. Its not better necessarily but more compelling to me than:
997 GT3 RS & M3 CSL, two cars I sold to make room for it...
bcr5784 said:
It would be interesting to see a poll. I think private buyers are the sort who might be somewhat skeptical of the added value OPCs offered (or they would tend to buy there) but I'm speculating - as a I presume you are.
Yep, my thoughts on the situation. Speaking for myself, if I had experienced bad CS or similar from a OPC I might think differently, but it depends. I would also consider which OPC, I have used Reading countless times and always had a great experience.bcr5784 said:
It would be interesting to see a poll. I think private buyers are the sort who might be somewhat skeptical of the added value OPCs offered (or they would tend to buy there) but I'm speculating - as a I presume you are.
If I was buying a used Porsche I'd choose one with a proper OPC history over one with an independent service history. Too me it hints at cost saving and I would wonder what other corners have been cut. And if you px'd a car without a full OPC history any main dealer will cut ££££ off the value of the car.
bcr5784 said:
Do you have any evidence of that?
Read up any guide on buying / selling a Porsche or any other top range car! There is a lot more evidence that says no full official service history is detrimental than evidence that says it isn't. Doesn't matter so much on an older Porsche or a bread and butter marque. No full service history smacks of cost cutting, what other corners have been cut? Have any service updates, campaigns or recalls been done? Have genuine Porsche spares and parts been used? Cheap lubricating oil? An OEM service history guarantees all this, others don't. I for one would never buy a used Porsche without full OEM service history, however cheap ithe asking price.
dreamcar said:
I for one would never buy a used Porsche without full OEM service history, however cheap ithe asking price.
Given that, for example, the first service is merely an oil and filter change, brake fluid change, and a check on fluids, brakes and the like, which even I am competent to do - I think that is a bit extreme. I wouldn't do it myself (though past experience of other cars suggests I might do a better job) simply because no-one has any reason to believe I am competent, but Independent Porsche specialists rely on their reputation and personally I would expect them to do at least as good a job as an OPC. Budweiser said:
Ion a car in warranty I would always use OPC for routine servicing.
Just my personal preference also it may help in building a positive relationship with them which in turn could be useful....
+1. All my cars have always had full dealership history. Although I live in Cheltenham, I chose to get my CGTS from OPC Bournemouth due to the excellent service they provided during the sales process and I will take my car there for it's first service once it's due to maintain the relationship built with them already as this could prove valuable in the future.Just my personal preference also it may help in building a positive relationship with them which in turn could be useful....
Although I think a Porsche independent will carry out a routine service just as well as an OPC, I do feel that if there was a warranty issue with my car it would be more difficult to resolve if I haven't used an OPC and I also think using an indy for the services during the warranty period will also detrimentally effect the resale value when it is sat side by side either on the forecourt or in the classifieds next to a car with full OPC history. I am not saying this is necessarily the right view for the market to take, but I think this is how it is when dealing with high performance prestige marques such as ours.
CGTS16 said:
+1. All my cars have always had full dealership history. Although I live in Cheltenham, I chose to get my CGTS from OPC Bournemouth due to the excellent service they provided during the sales process and I will take my car there for it's first service once it's due to maintain the relationship built with them already as this could prove valuable in the future.
Although I think a Porsche independent will carry out a routine service just as well as an OPC, I do feel that if there was a warranty issue with my car it would be more difficult to resolve if I haven't used an OPC and I also think using an indy for the services during the warranty period will also detrimentally effect the resale value when it is sat side by side either on the forecourt or in the classifieds next to a car with full OPC history. I am not saying this is necessarily the right view for the market to take, but I think this is how it is when dealing with high performance prestige marques such as ours.
Accepting that establishing a relationship with a dealer might well have value - I have to say that overall the perception that an OPC service is worth twice an Indie one - or indeed any more (if true) it's a sad reflection on a gullible public. Not that long ago Stella Artois advertised that it was "reasuringly expensive" - I'm glad so say the public wasn't convinced and Stella Artois is now reasuringly cheap. And OPCs are now being forced to charge closer to Indie prices.Although I think a Porsche independent will carry out a routine service just as well as an OPC, I do feel that if there was a warranty issue with my car it would be more difficult to resolve if I haven't used an OPC and I also think using an indy for the services during the warranty period will also detrimentally effect the resale value when it is sat side by side either on the forecourt or in the classifieds next to a car with full OPC history. I am not saying this is necessarily the right view for the market to take, but I think this is how it is when dealing with high performance prestige marques such as ours.
bcr5784 said:
Accepting that establishing a relationship with a dealer might well have value - I have to say that overall the perception that an OPC service is worth twice an Indie one - or indeed any more (if true) it's a sad reflection on a gullible public. Not that long ago Stella Artois advertised that it was "reasuringly expensive" - I'm glad so say the public wasn't convinced and Stella Artois is now reasuringly cheap. And OPCs are now being forced to charge closer to Indie prices.
Fair point but I'm still happy to use my OPC and pay a small premium for the reason stated. I enjoy a decent loan car, and a few other enjoyable activities i.e. A morning at PEC driving a few 718 Cayman, with the wife...ya pays ya money.......Budweiser said:
Fair point but I'm still happy to use my OPC and pay a small premium for the reason stated. I enjoy a decent loan car, and a few other enjoyable activities i.e. A morning at PEC driving a few 718 Cayman, with the wife...ya pays ya money.......
Have to agree about the loan car, but my Indie includes a good valet and gives free sweets. I'd probably pay a SMALL premium but I think near double the price (with current offers) is hardly small.Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 29th September 20:37
Budweiser said:
PEC for two with breakfast and lunch......?
There is NO functional difference between a small/medium service on a Cayman than that on a Ford Fiesta. On a Ford it costs about £150 on a Cayman £600. Both require an IQ of about 75 and take about an hour. Accepting that Porsche bits are more expensive ... someone is being ripped off - and some of us object.In days of yore an annual service involved grease points, tappet adjustments, ignition timing setting,plug gapping, carb balancing... and some degree of skill. But not today.
bcr5784 said:
Budweiser said:
Fair point but I'm still happy to use my OPC and pay a small premium for the reason stated. I enjoy a decent loan car, and a few other enjoyable activities i.e. A morning at PEC driving a few 718 Cayman, with the wife...ya pays ya money.......
Have to agree about the loan car, but my Indie includes a good valet and gives free sweets. I'd probably pay a SMALL premium but I think near double the price (with current offers) is hardly small.Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 29th September 20:37
£115 in the context of a £60k car is worth paying, as many buyers, including those in the trade, will want a FPSH, rather than a FSH.
Servicing is a rip off on all modern cars - £50 - 100 would cover the parts and oil.
As I said I pay a small premium for a service every two years. So no big deal. The perks like our recent visit to PEC, many loan cars (I've driven all models, excluding Gt cars) I've had loan cars from 2 hours to 2 days. Add all that together? I pay more but feel I'm getting great value overall. I've been driving Porsche cars since the late eighties and owned many. The cars out of warranty I've taken to my Independent but have always enjoyed loan cars and other perks from my OPC.
All businesses have to cover their overhead and make a profit (we all know that) and I'm happy to contribute, if others aren't that's fine.
All businesses have to cover their overhead and make a profit (we all know that) and I'm happy to contribute, if others aren't that's fine.
Chaps - had a look at this one earlier and it's pretty tidy:
http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/detail...
What would be the right price for this?
http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/detail...
What would be the right price for this?
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