Cayman GTS

[Dreds]

The GTS exhaust is more expressive than a sports exhaust equipped S.

The GTS does seem to be holding its value quiet well, given that is basically a well specified S with an extra few bhp and a different front spoiler. Given the above I would hold out for a GTS specified to your liking. For me, the GTS alcantara interior makes it stand out from the S and is definitely worth paying extra for.

[Maxym]

Dreds said:

The GTS exhaust is more expressive than a sports exhaust equipped S.

The GTS does seem to be holding its value quiet well, given that is basically a well specified S with an extra few bhp and a different front spoiler. Given the above I would hold out for a GTS specified to your liking. For me, the GTS alcantara interior makes it stand out from the S and is definitely worth paying extra for.

+1

[bcr5784]

Maxym said:

+1

-1 I had the choice and deliberately chose an S over a GTS (specifically didn't want the wheels, the front spoiler or the exhaust of the GTS). The only solution is to try as many cars as you can and form your own view - you'll find opposing views on almost any option you care to name.

[ellroy]

Had an 981 Boxster S, with a GTS 'spec', bar the frippery cosmetic bits, now got a CGTS.

No comparison for me. The S noise is good, but no where the same as the GTS.

The extra power makes a difference, although going from Boxster S to CGTS there is a much bigger step up, and it just feels so much more together, very odd as somehow the sum of the parts is greater as a whole.

All that said, there really isn't a wrong answer with these cars. It's what you need it for and a spec to suit.

[bcr5784]

ellroy said:

Had an 981 Boxster S, with a GTS 'spec', bar the frippery cosmetic bits, now got a CGTS.

No comparison for me. The S noise is good, but no where the same as the GTS.

The extra power makes a difference, although going from Boxster S to CGTS there is a much bigger step up, and it just feels so much more together, very odd as somehow the sum of the parts is greater as a whole.

Accepting that they sound different which some will certainly prefer, I really can't see why a CGTS is going to feel any different (more together) at all to CS with the same suspension. Any difference can only be due to different tyres or minor unintentional variations which occur in the setup of any two "identical" production cars. Clearly the coupe is torsionally much much stiffer than the Boxster, which is what I suspect you might be feeling rather than anything else. The 911 cab isn't as good (stiff) as the Boxster, I know, but feels like bag of old bones compared with the coupe.

[Mario149]

bcr5784 said:

ellroy said:

Had an 981 Boxster S, with a GTS 'spec', bar the frippery cosmetic bits, now got a CGTS.

No comparison for me. The S noise is good, but no where the same as the GTS.

The extra power makes a difference, although going from Boxster S to CGTS there is a much bigger step up, and it just feels so much more together, very odd as somehow the sum of the parts is greater as a whole.

Accepting that they sound different which some will certainly prefer, I really can't see why a CGTS is going to feel any different (more together) at all to CS with the same suspension. Any difference can only be due to different tyres or minor unintentional variations which occur in the setup of any two "identical" production cars. Clearly the coupe is torsionally much much stiffer than the Boxster, which is what I suspect you might be feeling rather than anything else. The 911 cab isn't as good (stiff) as the Boxster, I know, but feels like bag of old bones compared with the coupe.

I see where you're coming from but I've read in at least one review (Autocar and/or Evo?) that the GTS feels more than the sum of its parts. Whether that's truly objective or not I don't know as I've not driven as S version. But, I do know that psychologically I was only ever going to be happy worth ordering a GTS. And for me the GTS interior pack was absolutely essential.

[bcr5784]

Mario149 said:

I see where you're coming from but I've read in at least one review (Autocar and/or Evo?) that the GTS feels more than the sum of its parts. Whether that's truly objective or not I don't know as I've not driven as S version. But, I do know that psychologically I was only ever going to be happy worth ordering a GTS. And for me the GTS interior pack was absolutely essential.

Can't argue about the aesthetics - that obviously down to personal preference, but I'm pretty sure the rest is all in the mind. I've driven my own car on different size wheels, on different brands of tyres, experimented with tyre pressures and slightly different geo. If you didn't know what had changed you could believe there was something fundamentally different about the car. Even the steering has noticeably more feel now than when the car was new and tight. I'd take a large bet that if you took 2 "identical" GTSs and did a back to back test that a sensitive driver would be able to tell the difference between them. That is the problem when buying a car - you test the demonstrator and buy new on the basis of it - and the car you actually get is quite different (almost always in my experience). It's a good argument for buying secondhand.

[castroses]

bcr5784 said:

Maxym said:

+1

-1 I had the choice and deliberately chose an S over a GTS (specifically didn't want the wheels, the front spoiler or the exhaust of the GTS). The only solution is to try as many cars as you can and form your own view - you'll find opposing views on almost any option you care to name.

What didn't you like about the front spoiler? Makes it look like a totally different car when painted in the GTS external pack gloss black in my opinion.

[bcr5784]

castroses said:

What didn't you like about the front spoiler? Makes it look like a totally different car when painted in the GTS external pack gloss black in my opinion.

It reduces ground clearance significantly and I already ground my PASM S on occasion. I certainly wouldn't want it painted for the same reason. Personally not fussed about the aesthetics - the standard car looks fine to me and I have no desire to personalise it.

Edited by bcr5784 on Friday 6th January 11:53

[JayK12]

Mario149 said:

bcr5784 said:

ellroy said:

Had an 981 Boxster S, with a GTS 'spec', bar the frippery cosmetic bits, now got a CGTS.

No comparison for me. The S noise is good, but no where the same as the GTS.

The extra power makes a difference, although going from Boxster S to CGTS there is a much bigger step up, and it just feels so much more together, very odd as somehow the sum of the parts is greater as a whole.

Accepting that they sound different which some will certainly prefer, I really can't see why a CGTS is going to feel any different (more together) at all to CS with the same suspension. Any difference can only be due to different tyres or minor unintentional variations which occur in the setup of any two "identical" production cars. Clearly the coupe is torsionally much much stiffer than the Boxster, which is what I suspect you might be feeling rather than anything else. The 911 cab isn't as good (stiff) as the Boxster, I know, but feels like bag of old bones compared with the coupe.

I see where you're coming from but I've read in at least one review (Autocar and/or Evo?) that the GTS feels more than the sum of its parts. Whether that's truly objective or not I don't know as I've not driven as S version. But, I do know that psychologically I was only ever going to be happy worth ordering a GTS. And for me the GTS interior pack was absolutely essential.

I never drove an S either, I wanted the package the GTS provided.

[ellroy]

The PASM on the GTS is also retuned compared to an S, a drop of 10mm if I recall, so there is somewhat different feel to the car. As I say, more than the sum of its parts.

[Mario149]

bcr5784 said:

Mario149 said:

I see where you're coming from but I've read in at least one review (Autocar and/or Evo?) that the GTS feels more than the sum of its parts. Whether that's truly objective or not I don't know as I've not driven as S version. But, I do know that psychologically I was only ever going to be happy worth ordering a GTS. And for me the GTS interior pack was absolutely essential.

Can't argue about the aesthetics - that obviously down to personal preference, but I'm pretty sure the rest is all in the mind. I've driven my own car on different size wheels, on different brands of tyres, experimented with tyre pressures and slightly different geo. If you didn't know what had changed you could believe there was something fundamentally different about the car. Even the steering has noticeably more feel now than when the car was new and tight. I'd take a large bet that if you took 2 "identical" GTSs and did a back to back test that a sensitive driver would be able to tell the difference between them. That is the problem when buying a car - you test the demonstrator and buy new on the basis of it - and the car you actually get is quite different (almost always in my experience). It's a good argument for buying secondhand.

Agree with a lot of that. No 2 "identical" cars ever feel exactly the same. But truth be told I'd be hard pushed to notice the difference on the road. Could be because before my BGTS I'd never owned a sportscar that was less than 7 years old so maybe I'm not tuned into modern cars enough. Or because all the GTS cars I drove were very new. I test drove 1 Cayman GTSs on PASM, 1 on X71 and then a couple of Boxster GTSs at PEC Silverstone on PASM and honestly they all felt as near as I could tell the same barring the obvious X71 / PASM difference (which actually at low speed in the city was pretty minimal. Although that said the 2 times I've had a base Boxster without PASM outside of town the ride has been horrible). Main differences I've noticed in my car is on track on the limit and over with tyre pressures where it can feel really "soggy" when the pressures are 3 psi low to feeling very skittish when they're 3 psi or so too high. Seems very sensitive in that respect.

[bcr5784]

ellroy said:

The PASM on the GTS is also retuned compared to an S, a drop of 10mm if I recall, so there is somewhat different feel to the car. As I say, more than the sum of its parts.

No, PASM on both cars is 10mm lower than standard and X73 is 20mm lower. So a PASM S will be the same suspension wise as a PASM GTS, likewise X73 equipped cars. If you trawl through previous posts you will find that this topic has been done to death and no-one has come up with anything that gives any credence to there being any difference between PASM/X73 S and GTS suspension settings. Noise "tuning" and interior trim options are the only difference between a GTS and a similarly optioned S (even the bodywork difference is an option on later Ss). If you want most of the options a GTS comes with it's definitely the way to go. If not, an S specced as you want it might well be better value.

Edited by bcr5784 on Friday 6th January 19:20

Edited by bcr5784 on Friday 6th January 19:31

[ellroy]

So Autocar were wrong in their assertion that it had been retuned then?

[Maxym]

IMO the extra kit as standard on the GTS is 'good value' compared with adding as options on an S. And of course the interior and exterior packs make a GTS so equipped special. But there's no denying that an S is a bloody fine car, especially one that is well specced. I'd never say 'You'd be daft not to go for a GTS.'

[paul789]

bcr5784 said:

ellroy said:

The PASM on the GTS is also retuned compared to an S, a drop of 10mm if I recall, so there is somewhat different feel to the car. As I say, more than the sum of its parts.

No, PASM on both cars is 10mm lower than standard and X73 is 20mm lower. So a PASM S will be the same suspension wise as a PASM GTS, likewise X73 equipped cars. If you trawl through previous posts you will find that this topic has been done to death and no-one has come up with anything that gives any credence to there being any difference between PASM/X73 S and GTS suspension settings. Noise "tuning" and interior trim options are the only difference between a GTS and a similarly optioned S (even the bodywork difference is an option on later Ss). If you want most of the options a GTS comes with it's definitely the way to go. If not, an S specced as you want it might well be better value.

Edited by bcr5784 on Friday 6th January 19:20

Edited by bcr5784 on Friday 6th January 19:31

I thought the GTS had / has more power?

[bcr5784]

paul789 said:

I thought the GTS had / has more power?

Sorry forgot that - 340 vs 325 - though most tests suggest you's be hard pushed to spot it.

[Obafemi99]

Thanks for the comments. Was not so concerned about the differences in speed etc and I appreciate detecting the differences will be marginal, but I do prefer the look of the GTS and the sound, ant they're rarer etc. I know there is not night and difference between an S and have looked at a few S's too, but finding a well specced S with the options I'd like is proving tricky and those that are, are not too far off this GTS in price already. If i can live without Bose, PCM and park assist then might be worth it

[bcr5784]

Obafemi99 said:

If i can live without Bose, PCM and park assist then might be worth it

I wouldn't be fussed about the lack of Bose. It's pretty ordinary (I'm being kind - I have it and it's dreadful for the price) and, in any case there is a lot of road roar (easily the loudest noise at a motorway cruise) so I don't think a decent sound system is a good buy unless you spend a lot of time in traffic. Parking sensors are certainly useful. PCM? It's grossly overpriced (new or secondhand) for what it is, a £200 Garmin or TomTom will do the job at least as well - but do look rather tacky in a £50k plus car. Do check for mobile phone preparation, though - unbelievably it's not standard.

[dreamcar]

bcr5784 said:

It reduces ground clearance significantly and I already ground my PASM S on occasion. I certainly wouldn't want it painted for the same reason. Personally not fussed about the aesthetics - the standard car looks fine to me and I have no desire to personalise it.

Edited by bcr5784 on Friday 6th January 11:53

We have a BGTS with PASM and the have no front end scrapes. In fact it grounds much less than our '06 Boxster S running on 19" wheels and PASM did. The -10mm sport suspension might make it more of a problem though.