Cayman GTS

[ORD]

mrdemon said:

ORD said:

Why? Heavier, slower car.

(I will buy a 911 when I have a baby, but once the performance advantsge goes, it's a marginally worse car than a Cayman except for having back seats.)

the 911 is a faster car you might find...

0-60 4.4 vs the Cayman 4.8
top speed 178 vs the cayman 175
0-100 mph 9.7 vs the Cayman 10.6 est as no gts figure but the S is 10.7)

SO the basic 911 is faster in every way, and in gear times.

Top speed is irrelevant and almost idential anyway. 0-100mph times are as close as makes no difference. In the real world (and with a non-expert driver) the Cayman GTS would be faster. I dont know any sensible basis on which to disagree with that. It is lighter, has the engine in the right place and gives very little away in power. It is probably a bit stiffer and lower, too.

Would anyone pick a boggo 911 over the Cayman GTS in a race from one of the country to the other? I doubt it.

(This is not to say that the Cayman is "better" than the 911 or any childish stuff like that. I am just pleased that Porsche is slowly letting go of the idea that every 911 has to be faster than every Cayman. The 981 R will, if made, surely be obviously faster than a boggo 911, but I think the GTS probably already is, albeit it is very close.)

[mrdemon]

I was just backing up my post with clear facts as you did not agree, 1 second to a ton is quite a big difference.

So I posted the FACTS in black and white from Porsche and you still disagree, o well that's forums for you.

[mrdemon]

pete a said:

I know it is nice getting a new car and the Cayman GTS is very nice but surely £70k would be much better spent on a 997 GT3, you might even get a gen 2 around £70k with a bit of a haggle?

Better car, much less depreciation and faster.

Have you owned on or had one as a daily, GT3 makes no sense as a daily only car.

[V12woollie]

Just to clarify, I only get to drive my current car at the weekends and my wife really doesn't like driving it. So I am thinking about cars in which I can have some fun at the weekends and she can drive during the week if the mood takes her, which after she drove the Cayman S she thinks would be quite a bit! The GT3 isn't viable and to be honest I'd rather keep my V12V than change for one of those.

Better to have a car in the garage that is getting regularly used I feel

[nsm3]

Exactly the reason I sold my GT3 and bought the CS PDK.

[mc_blue]

pete a said:

I know it is nice getting a new car and the Cayman GTS is very nice but surely £70k would be much better spent on a 997 GT3, you might even get a gen 2 around £70k with a bit of a haggle?

Better car, much less depreciation and faster.

Very nice car indeed but probably not a daily driver in my opinion.

mrdemon said:

It's very hard not to look at a year old basic 991 with 350bhp though if you are in the market for a new cayman.

My Cayman S came to £66k inc the optopns but paid just over 10% less.

I did think exactly as above but came to the following conclusions:

My first Porsche so why not enjoy being the first owner and driving a brand new car - obviously that's totally subjective

Looks better - again subjective but I think the proportions are just right

Engine in the right place - self explanatory

Performance - I do not see the performance differences between the 991 and the Caymsn S being wholly accurate - I think there's a bit of an disparity created by Porsche to justify the price difference

Price - £60k for a car that I can use everyday, which is well equipped isn't that bad. A similarly equipped 991 being more expensive

Negatives

Maybe stigma attached to poor man's Porsche?

[pete.g]

mrdemon said:

I was just backing up my post with clear facts as you did not agree, 1 second to a ton is quite a big difference.

So I posted the FACTS in black and white from Porsche and you still disagree, o well that's forums for you.

This would be more convincing without the "est" you've had to put after the GTS 0-100 time. Estimates are not facts - ask anyone who has building work done for confirmation.

[Budweiser]

V12 Wollie expresses my thoughts as to why I am happy to spend my money on a CGTS. I love the 997GT3 but it's not for the wife and me for obvious reasons in the above replies. The odd second or whatever, in the real world I drive in, makes no difference to me. I'm not interested in that.

We all have different priorities and the CGTS fits the bill for me....

[mrdemon]

pete.g said:

This would be more convincing without the "est" you've had to put after the GTS 0-100 time. Estimates are not facts - ask anyone who has building work done for confirmation.

Ok so I est 1 figure out of the 4 but as it's based on the cayman s times it will be ni on spot on looking at the real times
Maybe 0.1 out either way. Still points to the 911 being faster to 60, faster to a ton, faster top speed and faster in gear.
That was my point.

Not that I would choose the 991 but I would not buy a brand new cayman either.
Just stating you can buy a faster car with a real (prob more) 350 Bhp which is a faster car.

And then you start to have to really think what you want.
Engine being in the right place is a bit mute now porsche keep bringing it in, it's more mid engine than a 458 these days.

[V12woollie]

Interesting comments about faster cars for the same or less money, and of course I am sure accurate comments too. If I was solely interested in fast I would keep the V12V, but what I need is fast for me (I'll be in Sport or Sport+ using the paddles for a lot of my driving as I like to go to my favourite routes and have a spirited drive) and docile for my wife (she will drive in 'D' and not really very fast). I'm sure other Porsches will fit that bill, but I like the Cayman look as does my wife.

I did spec a Cayman S to my liking and when I visited the OPC we spec'd a Cayman GTS to exactly the same level and it was £2K cheaper, probably because PASM, Sports Chrono and sports exhaust are included on the GTS.

I joined this thread as I wondered what the collective Porsche minds here thought of the spec I had come up with. I do appreciate that you are assisting by making me aware of alternatives and for that I am appreciative, but I also want to seek advice as to whether any options I have included are deemed as not really worth the money, or any that I have omitted would be deemed as good ones to have.

Spec here:

http://www.porsche-code.com/PFI8YSJ7

Edited by V12woollie on Tuesday 8th April 09:30

Edited by V12woollie on Tuesday 8th April 09:31

[mrdemon]

I also own a Cayman and would not even think about buying a 911, I don't like them

as for spec, if it were me ordering a GTS, it would be full leather, buckets, sports chassie, PCCB and get the wing mirrors colour coded.

spec is so personal and 70.5k on a Cayman is a scary thought :-)
your spec is great for you and for resale it will also sell very easy.

I would NOT have "red dials" not many people like them, standard or go for white.
And as yours is a hi end spec I would add Bose, just because it completes a very high spec car.

Edited by mrdemon on Tuesday 8th April 10:30

[ORD]

Call me crazy, but I would say that the Cayman will be faster (for all practically purposes other than losing your licence on a motorway) than the V12V. You will be able to carry a lot more speed through corners, assuming that you arent an excellent driver that can balance the V12 on throttle!

Anyway, that is by the by.

Spec - I would not even think about spending that money on a Cayman unless it had full leather, PASM, Bose (or maybe even the even more expensive system)and bucket seats. Most of the other options are just absurdly over-priced cr*p. PCM isnt too bad, so I would probably have that. But dont waste money on lady parking, cameras, heated mirrors and all that jazz.

[paralla]

Good spec but I'd add three things

I think heated seats are reasonable value and good to have.
Digital Radio to future-prof it in case they ever turn off analogue radio
I'd say that Bose is very popular when looking for a second hand Cayman so despite what it sounds like I think it's worth the extra £400 over SPP so you catch the people that tick that box on the second hand car search

[Budweiser]

Woollie

Love your spec.

I've left the exterior black bits black as for me they complement the front and rear trays.

The GTS interior package looks very nice but just a step to fars for me money wise.

Not sure I would need the PTV though I need to look at that as I believed it was more for the track than road? ( I might be talking b*%**ks but that's how I currently understand it).

The lighting design package looks good but having had it on my BMW Touring I know after a sort time you don't even notice it, so I save some money there.

I included the park assist camera as I am used to this on my other cars and do find it very useful as I do the cruise control.

My two main areas I am not sure about are 1 the exterior colour Carmine red is my choice to date but I also like Guards red and that would save me a few ££££s. We will choose when we've seen a Carmine red car.

2 the Sports or Multifunction streering wheels. My heart says sports with paddles but we still have to properly decide.

When is yours due? I've been told June 2014 but who knows......

[SHIFTY]

Very similar spec to what i have proposed for a Boxster GTS, also coming from an Aston Martin Vantage but only a 4.7. Red dial is standard with the GTS package you cannot delete and also with the black package the mirrors have to stay black at the bottom. I have been informed that slots will not be available until the official unveiling at Beijing motor show but my deposit is down and waiting.

[wellzee]

Woolie I like your spec. As most people will say on here options are completely subjective, I'm sure we could have a full on debate on the PDK box alone. If that spec is your gut feeling go with it.

I have a 981 (as does my gf's dad) personally I wouldn't bother speccing the auto dimming and folding mirrors, I don't think you'll miss them. Then with the money you'd save from that, use it to go from Sound Package Plus to BOSE, that you definitely will notice the difference on, and should help more with resale than folding mirrors. Just my two cents.

[mc_blue]

V12woollie - very nice spec on your car but couple of points.

Do you require the fully electric seats? I guess if you are sharing with your wife it makes sense?
Add DAB and Bose for resale value
Is cruise necessary?
Maybe lose the painted lower mirror arms as I feel it complements the other black bits on the car

[paralla]

Don’t you need folding mirrors to get the mirror drop function when you select reverse?

That’s essential in my opinion to help protect your expensive wheels from kerb damage when parking.

[V12woollie]

Thanks for all the comments on the spec.

I was wondering if there was too much alcantara in the interior with the GTS option. Cruise isn't really necessary so I may well delete that option. Folding mirrors are useful as my garage is tight and I like to fold them in. PASM is standard on the GTS. I thought there were opinions that the BOSE sounded a bit boomy. I only really listen to Radio 4 or not at all so I can see the BOSE for the resale value but probably not making much difference to my listening pleasure. Memory seats are a must as my wife likes to sit very close to the wheel and I hate having to find my ideal position again.

I will have another look at the configurator and spec some alternatives. Your comments have been very useful, thank you.

[Zyp]

Just had another play - if the red dial is too much (I like it as its only one dial) the black with Rhodium stitching gives you a silver dial instead which also looks good.