Boxster GTS air intakes...

[jredram]

mollytherocker said:

Where is this real world? I have 3 manual cars and they are fine.

Didn't suggest they wouldn't be, MTR, just that PDK is equally fine and probably easier on the M62 at 5 o'clock on a Friday which is one of the places you can find the real world, along with the M6 on a Bank Holiday and the Lake District on any sunny day.

Manuals are great, as are unsynchronised gear boxes, drum brakes, pull chokes, steam trains, No 6 cigarettes, Ford Capri 3.0S and hand pulled Boddingtons bitter at the Grapes, Wrea Green circa 1974 but some things just suit modern life more......but are not necessarily "better".

[mrdemon]

2.8i was better than the 3.0S :-) imo

[mrdemon]

I would buy a Manual and do own 3 manuals, BUT and it's a big but, I would have to buy the 981 in PDK as doing over 80mph in 2nd gear is stupid.

If the PDK-S box goes in the GT4 then it will be the only choice to buy.

[mollytherocker]

mrdemon said:

2.8i was better than the 3.0S :-) imo

I have had both and whilst the 2.8 is better, i have a huge fondness for my mk2 3.0S.

I was 18, I was wild, it was wild, and we should have had many huge crashes. But we didnt. I can honestly say that car was my apprentiship. I was an idiot, but it taught me how to control a car.

I would LOVE another....even though i know its best left in the past.

[Olivera]

mrdemon said:

I would buy a Manual and do own 3 manuals, BUT and it's a big but, I would have to buy the 981 in PDK as doing over 80mph in 2nd gear is stupid.

If the PDK-S box goes in the GT4 then it will be the only choice to buy.

+1. As much as I like manuals, the 981 Boxster/Cayman ratios are utter garbage, so unfortunately I'd have to take PDK as well.

[Olivera]

anonymous said:

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You will reach a true 80mph every time the Boxster/Cayman is rung out to the red line at 7400rpm. A bit over-geared to me is 5-10mph too long, the best part of 20mph over-geared is just silly. End result is effectively a 4 speed box with 2 overdrive gears!

The gearing is obviously deliberately chosen by Porsche, either to fiddle the c02 figures as close to the PDK as possible, or so it doesn't step on the toes of 911 performance.

[Stuart0688]

anonymous said:

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What do you think are the negative impacts of PDK ?
Thanks

[NicD]

anonymous said:

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[mrdemon]

anonymous said:

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I must have loaned about 5 or 6 cars now, owning 2 Porsches they are always in at OPC for service, MOT work etc.

I cannot stand Long ratios it ruins the car and hence why I sold my GT3 and now look very close at ratios, 80 or 87 top in 2nd put you in no mans land in 3rd gear for B road blasts just like the GT3 did and then you could never reach the sweet spot in 3rd in a GT3 as it was too fast for a B road, like wise tight bends leave you in no mans land in 2nd gear. SO as much as I think driving a PDK car is dull dull dull, I would have to still buy PDK over a manual with ratios so daft the cars unusable and frustrating.

[Mutt]

fking gear ratios again!

Isn't this all just a myth fabricated by 981 haters? The ratios are basically the same as in a 987. No one moaned about them in that car.

[Mutt]

anonymous said:

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It's hilarious isn't it?

It's a shame, because this forum is very useful but there are just one or two people who talk so authoritatively but whose opinions I would offer zero weight.

Empty can rattles loudest etc.

[mrdemon]

I have seen any where between 80 to 83,84, to 87 mph being stated as the 981 top speed in 2nd, it's hard to find the final drive ratio on any of these cars and be 100% correct as even Porsche press sheets have different figures . but its seems 3.89 is one of the main figures.

what is correct is the PDK max speed in 2 and 3rd is much lower than the manual cars by about 15 mph give or take. (3rd in PDK maybe even be below a ton)
Again 987.1 to 987.2 Porsche changed the ratio's on 2nd and 3rd to bring the speed down a bit.

the rpm limit has been increased on the 981 and also the tyres size are larger in total Circumference.

also most loan cars are PDK so again hard to drive manual 981 cars.

981 reviews and the most famous ones by the big mags seem to state 87mph in 2nd gear, which must be wrong then !!!!

so when all said and done if the ratio's are in fact the same, the top speed in gear is down to the increased rpm and larger Circumference wheels.

It's a real issue any way like it or not, every one who drives any of these cars is stating too long a gear ratio even all the owners, but finding a manual on the 981 is far and few between. It's the biggest single reason I sold the GT3 having 88mph in 2nd gear and 125+ in 3rd.

I never said the R was perfect, but it's far more accessable than the car I sold to buy it.

So laugh all you like, it is what it is ;-)

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[supersport]

Had basic 981 Cayman manual non S for a couple of days and absolutely loved. You could thrash it around up to the red line on the country roads without having to do ridiculous speeds. Hated PDK for much same reason as other automatics, but then I don't have to drive in town, have a bicycle for that.

[Mutt]

You are splitting hairs. In my 987.1, second was good for 80mph before the limiter. Does the extra few mph make all the difference?

[Trev450]

anonymous said:

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This.

I was very much hoping that a 981 Cayman R, GT4, whatever was going to be launched, but given the liklihood of it being PDK only, I for one shall not be rushing to purchase one.

[iantr]

Some figures from the German magazine test showing the manual S accelerating faster than the PDK....

Would the weight difference alone account for that? The manual is 65kg lighter than the PDK. My own car has PCCB (-18kg) and buckets (-27kg) so should be more than 100kg below the PDK version tested. That would be noticeable I'd have thought.

Edited by iantr on Wednesday 14th May 19:14

[NicD]

This is the official weight figure:
http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/cayman/cayman-s/f...

Unladen weight (DIN) 1,340 kg 1,370 kg

30kg difference

not 65kg

[iantr]

NicD said:

This is the official weight figure:
http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/cayman/cayman-s/f...

Unladen weight (DIN) 1,340 kg 1,370 kg

30kg difference

not 65kg

Yep. And according to the "official" figures, the PDK car is faster from 0-160km/h than the manual: 10.5s vs 10.8s...

My understanding is that Auto Motor Und Sport both weigh the cars and do their own performance testing. Their manual S was (surprisingly) faster than the PDK to 160km/h, perhaps explained by the 65kg weight difference. Some of that 65kg could of course be accounted for by options on the tested cars.

But I would always (having owned both) have assumed that a PDK car would be quicker through the gears than a similarly engined manual. The test is interesting precisely because it shows that this wasn't the case with these two cars. Perhaps even more interesting because it offers a potential explanation (weight) also.

If I were Porsche I doubt I'd welcome a test that shows the cheaper manual car to be both more accelerative and lighter than the PDK version...

Edited by iantr on Wednesday 14th May 20:34

[NicD]

It is interesting, the US mags show 0-60mph around 4.2 (vs the 0-100kmh) here of 4.8.
I don't worry too much about flat out acceleration, and certainly not the PDK Sport Plus mode.
The in gear figures matter more to me, and the lighter the better. This thread is all about gearing and the PDK has slightly shorter ratios.
Anyway, both boxes are good and will have their supporters.

[iantr]

NicD said:

This thread is all about gearing...

And air intakes. When I started it I'm sure it was about air intakes....!