Carbon Brakes - walk away or worth it?
Discussion
CTrickle said:
Thank you, do they use different brake pads? and if so are they expensive?
Having worked at a Porsche dealership and you can only buy as a pair and for a GT3 they were £3k + fitting them !!! You will need different brake pads also and fitting kit and if I remember even different callipers too. So Avoid them as you will only need them if you have something like a GT3 !!!clubsportguy said:
Having worked at a Porsche dealership and you can only buy as a pair and for a GT3 they were £3k + fitting them !!! You will need different brake pads also and fitting kit and if I remember even different callipers too. So Avoid them as you will only need them if you have something like a GT3 !!!
what a load of ******** :-)I have PCCBs on my Turbo. I wouldn't have any other brakes now by choice. They feel better at stopping the car, less pressure required to do the sane job.
I thought that the reason they are used in racing is because they don't fade when hot like steels would. So normal driving on roads I suppose that doesn't matter.
Real world terms.
Feel better braking, better feel,
Wheels never get dirty from brake dust,
Look great (yes shockingly that does matter on my sports car)
Used just on the road, last longer than steels (up to 100,000)
Don't have to worry about them rusting after washing
I thought that the reason they are used in racing is because they don't fade when hot like steels would. So normal driving on roads I suppose that doesn't matter.
Real world terms.
Feel better braking, better feel,
Wheels never get dirty from brake dust,
Look great (yes shockingly that does matter on my sports car)
Used just on the road, last longer than steels (up to 100,000)
Don't have to worry about them rusting after washing
mrdemon said:
clubsportguy said:
Having worked at a Porsche dealership and you can only buy as a pair and for a GT3 they were £3k + fitting them !!! You will need different brake pads also and fitting kit and if I remember even different callipers too. So Avoid them as you will only need them if you have something like a GT3 !!!
what a load of ******** :-)hondansx said:
The arguments are based around track driving, and the OP was not to do with this. Certainly the PCCBs are really good on the road; much more confidence inspiring. They also look better and don't rust. I'd seek them when searching for a second hand Porsche.
Absolutely 100%, although the other day I did go on the Build your Porsche site and saw what a new GTS manual with PCCB's would cost, the answer was too much, but if someone would like to specify one like it I'll have it in four years time for about half price. PCCB's once checked out are a super bargain item on a secondhand car I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one with them.clubsportguy said:
MrDemon you don't know what your talking about!!! Look on the Porsche Parts system and you will find out you need other parts than just removethe discs !! Totally clueless !!
nothing clueless about my comments, you are just stating b
ks and it seems you are the one not knowing what you are talking about !I don't think anyone is just going to go out and buy 2 new Ceramic disks and fit them to a normal steel shod car as a replacement lol,
no wonder people don't like taking advice from OPC's
this statement is utter b
ks"So Avoid them as you will only need them if you have something like a GT3 !!!"
it's the GT3 boys who don't want them on the whole.
lol you could not make this up !!!
now move along.
mrdemon said:
clubsportguy said:
MrDemon you don't know what your talking about!!! Look on the Porsche Parts system and you will find out you need other parts than just removethe discs !! Totally clueless !!
nothing clueless about my comments, you are just stating bks and it seems you are the one not knowing what you are talking about !I don't think anyone is just going to go out and buy 2 new Ceramic disks and fit them to a normal steel shod car as a replacement lol,
no wonder people don't like taking advice from OPC's
this statement is utter b
ks"So Avoid them as you will only need them if you have something like a GT3 !!!"
it's the GT3 boys who don't want them on the whole.
lol you could not make this up !!!
now move along.
Guys, we are adults here. If you're going to start hurling insults at each other, why not meet in a pub car park and show us what real men you are. Until then, give it a rest.
As mentioned twice now, the OP made NO REFERENCE TO TRACK DAYS. As such, the points raised within you slanging match is moot.
As mentioned twice now, the OP made NO REFERENCE TO TRACK DAYS. As such, the points raised within you slanging match is moot.
Mr G Harples
"Just asking if buying a Boxster with PCCB brakes is a wise move"
to which 80% of people here say yes :-) but a few bleeters want make up a whole new story saying only worth it on a GT3!!!
it's funny :-) also you think I drive around in a Corsa, and not one of my PCCB equipped Porsche's of which I doubt you even own.
as I said. move along.
not sure what anything has to do with a part number.
"Just asking if buying a Boxster with PCCB brakes is a wise move"
to which 80% of people here say yes :-) but a few bleeters want make up a whole new story saying only worth it on a GT3!!!
it's funny :-) also you think I drive around in a Corsa, and not one of my PCCB equipped Porsche's of which I doubt you even own.
as I said. move along.
not sure what anything has to do with a part number.
Edited by mrdemon on Friday 20th June 17:50
hondansx said:
Guys, we are adults here. If you're going to start hurling insults at each other, why not meet in a pub car park and show us what real men you are. Until then, give it a rest.
Such a meet was planned at Donington as I recall, one party went AWOL on the advice of SWMBO iirc................ ORD said:
MrD has become involved in a childish spat in which he extols the virtues of his cars against all comers?
Colour me amazed.
I wonder whether, just maybe, he might have a different view on ceramics if he didn't have them...
same few forum nutters come along as the thread gets older, putting their ore in.Colour me amazed.
I wonder whether, just maybe, he might have a different view on ceramics if he didn't have them...
AS YOU well know I have two 2 cars very much the same, one with one with out, I have vbox stopping distances on 3 set ups
in these cars, oem , oem with RS29 and full oem PCCB.
but people want to try and tell me what's better ffs with no single back up as to why.
ps I did goto Donny that day and was on the pit wall with a big SLR could hardly miss me lol.
come on guys, do better or f4ck off. :-)
mrdemon said:
Same forum nuts come along
Yeh, I've noticed that too ...... ;-)mrdemon said:
But people want to try and tell me what's better ffs with no single back up as to why.
Do you suppose there's a reason for that ?mrdemon said:
ps I did goto Donny that day and was on the pit wall with a big SLR could hardly miss me lol.
And since when did having a camera with you, automatically identify you as the forum troll at a circuit ? 
(sorry), that should be lol :-)mrdemon said:
Come on guys, do better or f4ck off. :-)
As ever, charming. You seem to be under the impression you're blameless for the numerous individuals having a pop at you over the last 18 months. You might want to think that one through again.The problem is that all the controlled testing shows practically no difference in stopping distance, which is why Porsche don't make any claims in that regard. Cooling, sure; resistance to fade, sure; but you'd have to drive pretty hard to notice that.
I've been looking up various cars stopping distances and times - sports cars, premium cars, shopping cars. All pretty similar. People get very excited about brakes, but the reality is that for most road driving most brakes are pretty much a good as any others. Beyond that, it's subjective stuff like feel that matters. I hate Audi brakes with the massive assistance and 'on-off' feel; others find Porsche brakes generally too progressive and soft.
There is a simple answer to the OP - ceramics are well worth having if they come fairly cheap and with lots of wear left. It is a different question whether or not a firmer bite and less brake dust are really worth thousands of pounds to most drivers.
I've been looking up various cars stopping distances and times - sports cars, premium cars, shopping cars. All pretty similar. People get very excited about brakes, but the reality is that for most road driving most brakes are pretty much a good as any others. Beyond that, it's subjective stuff like feel that matters. I hate Audi brakes with the massive assistance and 'on-off' feel; others find Porsche brakes generally too progressive and soft.
There is a simple answer to the OP - ceramics are well worth having if they come fairly cheap and with lots of wear left. It is a different question whether or not a firmer bite and less brake dust are really worth thousands of pounds to most drivers.
ORD said:
The problem is that all the controlled testing shows practically no difference in stopping distance, which is why Porsche don't make any claims in that regard. Cooling, sure; resistance to fade, sure; but you'd have to drive pretty hard to notice that.
I've been looking up various cars stopping distances and times - sports cars, premium cars, shopping cars. All pretty similar. People get very excited about brakes, but the reality is that for most road driving most brakes are pretty much a good as any others. Beyond that, it's subjective stuff like feel that matters. I hate Audi brakes with the massive assistance and 'on-off' feel; others find Porsche brakes generally too progressive and soft.
There is a simple answer to the OP - ceramics are well worth having if they come fairly cheap and with lots of wear left. It is a different question whether or not a firmer bite and less brake dust are really worth thousands of pounds to most drivers.
Quite right. As has been said over and over again on this forum, the limiting factor on retardation is tyres. Cooling and resistance to fade is not a good reason to spec ceramics. Driver training is much cheaper. In extremis, braking properly with an OEM Porsche set up should not cause any difficulties unless ambient temps are very high and the straights are short. IME many people don't brake properly on track and tend to blame the brakes for fading.I've been looking up various cars stopping distances and times - sports cars, premium cars, shopping cars. All pretty similar. People get very excited about brakes, but the reality is that for most road driving most brakes are pretty much a good as any others. Beyond that, it's subjective stuff like feel that matters. I hate Audi brakes with the massive assistance and 'on-off' feel; others find Porsche brakes generally too progressive and soft.
There is a simple answer to the OP - ceramics are well worth having if they come fairly cheap and with lots of wear left. It is a different question whether or not a firmer bite and less brake dust are really worth thousands of pounds to most drivers.
But hey if people want to pay several grand for clean wheels and a £100 yellow paint job, knock yourselves out.
control testing is not done at high enough speeds.
at 80mph or below the car to stop the fastest will be the car with the driver who can threshold brake the best avoiding ABS trigger.
I have my figures and happy with all I have said here. others are not happy , well not my problem, it's only the same 3 or 4 guys.
I get a lot of PM and emails asking for advice or people agreeing with me in private, just most don't post/ or want to rock the boat.
I have offered £300 pot and to hire out brunters for a few hours, people ALWAYS back down, says all you need to know about these guys. that's forums for you :-) enjoy your week ends
at 80mph or below the car to stop the fastest will be the car with the driver who can threshold brake the best avoiding ABS trigger.
I have my figures and happy with all I have said here. others are not happy , well not my problem, it's only the same 3 or 4 guys.
I get a lot of PM and emails asking for advice or people agreeing with me in private, just most don't post/ or want to rock the boat.
I have offered £300 pot and to hire out brunters for a few hours, people ALWAYS back down, says all you need to know about these guys. that's forums for you :-) enjoy your week ends
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