Would like a Cayman R but can’t afford one...

Would like a Cayman R but can’t afford one...

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mrdemon

21,146 posts

264 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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ilduce said:
I don't hate it, I hate the bills, I hate the way it's made out to be bulletproof but is in fact made from the same chocolate as a SuperFiat.

Anyway, the point I suppose I was trying to make was that a good S will do what the OP wants, unless it was going to be a total track toy and even then most people, despite what the "racing drivers" say, wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Don't take my criticisms personally: anybody spouting that stuff would receive the same but maybe their skin would be thicker. Now I know you're a sensitive little chap I'll try not to be so cruel next time.

I have had 4 Porsche models and had no bills, bar tyres and pads to buy, inc. my Gen 1 Cayman S
maybe I should take you for a drive in mine and you will change your mind.

My skin is thick, this is nothing over the Gt3 boys lol I don't find it upsetting, I just find it a bit strange you feel this way.

Porsche over Lambo, Ferrari, Merc, M BMW's are much cheaper to run I have found.

ilduce

485 posts

126 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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Trev450 said:
ilduce said:
The rest of it sounded like a tramp shouting at the cheese in Tesco
You really do have a inherent dislike of the underprivileged.
But I really do understand it's not your fault.

ilduce

485 posts

126 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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mrdemon said:
I have had 4 Porsche models and had no bills, bar tyres and pads to buy, inc. my Gen 1 Cayman S
maybe I should take you for a drive in mine and you will change your mind.


Porsche over Lambo, Ferrari, Merc, M BMW's are much cheaper to run I have found.
Lucky you.

Last post on this because it's way off topic, sorry OP!

I have a CS gen 1 so I don't need to go for a drive.
I've owned Merc's, M Bmw's and TVR's and as far as fragility and cost of ownership, the CS runs a close 2nd to the T350c I had the misfortune to own.

Forgetting the exploding engine I can't believe how many things just fail- and I do most of my mileage just commuting. None of the other cars I've owned ever needed so much changing after just 50k miles- eg all of the front suspension bar the springs plus the calipers, water pump, alternator, battery etc.
Come to think of it, less parts got changed on that T350, things just shook themselves loose and fell off. And it did smell shi't.

Ok. Back to helping the OP buy a Cayman!



Trev450

6,314 posts

171 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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ilduce said:
Trev450 said:
ilduce said:
The rest of it sounded like a tramp shouting at the cheese in Tesco
You really do have a inherent dislike of the underprivileged.
But I really do understand it's not your fault.
I feel so much better for knowing that.

MDT48

389 posts

193 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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Back on topic... :-)

The old question of, "can I mod a car to be as good as another one?" Of course you can, but it all depends on what you're looking for.

I sold my 997 C2S to buy my Cayman R and I haven't regretted that decision once.

There will always be those that think that the R should have had more power, but that's really not what it's about. The chassis setup that the Cayman R rolled out of the factory on is simply fabulous. I knew it was going to be great before I ordered it, because I'd spent a significant amount of time in the Spyder, but knew that I'd drive a hard top more, not to mention that I like the extra structural rigidity that a roof brings to the equation.

There's absolutely no denying that the Cayman S is a fabulous driver's car, but find the right roads, or roll onto your favourite circuit and the Cayman R will soon make you realise that those subtle enhancements make a big difference. Okay, it also helps that I kept mine pretty much as light as it could be, bar sticking the radio in it, but it's obviously still not as light as an Exige. What it does have is ride and handling that are as effective on British roads as they are on a smooth track.

As far as power is concerned, you'd never tell that a Cayman R has more power than a Cayman S. In fact, on the road my Focus RS can feel faster thanks to that swell of turbocharged torque. But again, put it on a track where you can wind it up to 7,400rpm and then scrub the speed off for a hairpin, and you'll start to understand the R's merits.

Oh, and despite the Cayman R's ability on track and the right roads, I can still take my wife out to dinner in it - something that I wouldn't be able to do in an Exige or even a GT3 :-)

pete a

3,799 posts

183 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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Why could you not take the wife out in a GT3?


V12DRC

177 posts

116 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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MDT48 said:
Back on topic... :-)

The old question of, "can I mod a car to be as good as another one?" Of course you can, but it all depends on what you're looking for.

I sold my 997 C2S to buy my Cayman R and I haven't regretted that decision once.

There will always be those that think that the R should have had more power, but that's really not what it's about. The chassis setup that the Cayman R rolled out of the factory on is simply fabulous. I knew it was going to be great before I ordered it, because I'd spent a significant amount of time in the Spyder, but knew that I'd drive a hard top more, not to mention that I like the extra structural rigidity that a roof brings to the equation.

There's absolutely no denying that the Cayman S is a fabulous driver's car, but find the right roads, or roll onto your favourite circuit and the Cayman R will soon make you realise that those subtle enhancements make a big difference. Okay, it also helps that I kept mine pretty much as light as it could be, bar sticking the radio in it, but it's obviously still not as light as an Exige. What it does have is ride and handling that are as effective on British roads as they are on a smooth track.

As far as power is concerned, you'd never tell that a Cayman R has more power than a Cayman S. In fact, on the road my Focus RS can feel faster thanks to that swell of turbocharged torque. But again, put it on a track where you can wind it up to 7,400rpm and then scrub the speed off for a hairpin, and you'll start to understand the R's merits.

Oh, and despite the Cayman R's ability on track and the right roads, I can still take my wife out to dinner in it - something that I wouldn't be able to do in an Exige or even a GT3 :-)
Intersting post. I have an exige s but at the weekend at spa was impressed by a cayman r pdk that was on some hot laps.,
So do you have a pdk or manual and have you driven both so am able to offer an opinion on both ?
Tks

J-P

4,350 posts

205 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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V12DRC said:
MDT48 said:
Back on topic... :-)

The old question of, "can I mod a car to be as good as another one?" Of course you can, but it all depends on what you're looking for.

I sold my 997 C2S to buy my Cayman R and I haven't regretted that decision once.

There will always be those that think that the R should have had more power, but that's really not what it's about. The chassis setup that the Cayman R rolled out of the factory on is simply fabulous. I knew it was going to be great before I ordered it, because I'd spent a significant amount of time in the Spyder, but knew that I'd drive a hard top more, not to mention that I like the extra structural rigidity that a roof brings to the equation.

There's absolutely no denying that the Cayman S is a fabulous driver's car, but find the right roads, or roll onto your favourite circuit and the Cayman R will soon make you realise that those subtle enhancements make a big difference. Okay, it also helps that I kept mine pretty much as light as it could be, bar sticking the radio in it, but it's obviously still not as light as an Exige. What it does have is ride and handling that are as effective on British roads as they are on a smooth track.

As far as power is concerned, you'd never tell that a Cayman R has more power than a Cayman S. In fact, on the road my Focus RS can feel faster thanks to that swell of turbocharged torque. But again, put it on a track where you can wind it up to 7,400rpm and then scrub the speed off for a hairpin, and you'll start to understand the R's merits.

Oh, and despite the Cayman R's ability on track and the right roads, I can still take my wife out to dinner in it - something that I wouldn't be able to do in an Exige or even a GT3 :-)
Intersting post. I have an exige s but at the weekend at spa was impressed by a cayman r pdk that was on some hot laps.,
So do you have a pdk or manual and have you driven both so am able to offer an opinion on both ?
Tks
Mate of mine has an Exige, it's tuned slightly and has nitrons with a track set-up. I have a manual Cayman R and I find that on track the cars are pretty evenly matched. Last year, we were fortunate enough to do a track day at the 'ring. The weather was perfect and I had some instruction. Post instruction my mate (who's a better driver than me) really struggled to keep up. A well-driven Cayman R is a pretty spectacular bit of kit to behold.

V12DRC

177 posts

116 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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J-P said:
Mate of mine has an Exige, it's tuned slightly and has nitrons with a track set-up. I have a manual Cayman R and I find that on track the cars are pretty evenly matched. Last year, we were fortunate enough to do a track day at the 'ring. The weather was perfect and I had some instruction. Post instruction my mate (who's a better driver than me) really struggled to keep up. A well-driven Cayman R is a pretty spectacular bit of kit to behold.
Whats regarded as better manual or PDK?

ajondyh

680 posts

123 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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mrdemon said:
sell it if you hate it, haters will always hate, you need to move on from it, it's clearly making you unwell ;-)
not sure why the personal attacks, you just come across sour.
roflroflrofl

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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V12DRC said:
Whats regarded as better manual or PDK?
Manual seems to belong more to the size/power of the CR (with buckets/correct wheels/peridot), but the PDK is astonishingly effective - perfect for learning a new track.

ajondyh

680 posts

123 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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V12DRC said:
Intersting post. I have an exige s but at the weekend at spa was impressed by a cayman r pdk that was on some hot laps.,
So do you have a pdk or manual and have you driven both so am able to offer an opinion on both ?
Tks
Was it a UK one in Peridot?


ajondyh

680 posts

123 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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V12DRC said:
Whats regarded as better manual or PDK?
Oh no!!! tank

V12DRC

177 posts

116 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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mrdemon said:
If you cannot tell a car with passive dampers and a stiff ARB over a normal car, the cars clearly not for you or any one else who drives at 50% or Clio owners...

I bought it because it drives better, has more feel and this is why it now has a growing following.
then to add the Maps better, the exhaust note is better, it looks loads better due to much less wheel arch gap, the dampers are better, it has a diff etc etc.

each to their own of course ;-), when does a test drive ever show up anything bar the big electric steering change.

has any car been loads better in the same range, the 964RS and 993RS where never big changes over the 964 and 993 normal cars.
the 997.1 RS is well the just about the same as a 997.1 non RS but you pay 40k more for one now. same with the 996 RS, not really worth 50k over a non RS.

the issue is the shocks and ARB make the R and they were never options on the S with the 981 the passive dampers and ARB's is an option on a base car.

end point, it is the best 987.2 Cayman in ltd numbers with sub 100 manual cars in the UK, add in buckets seats and spyder wheels and prob under 40 UK cars.
Makes it one of Porsche rarest cars in driver spec. ALso was auto cars drivers car of the year 2011 :-)



Edited by mrdemon on Monday 14th July 13:53
MrDemon you clearly know your onions with these cars so just a few question if you don't mind-

Whats the deal dampers R VS Non R Cayman?

Power difference R VS NOn R

PDK or Manual the more sought after and in your opinion whats best? TKS

V12DRC

177 posts

116 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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ajondyh said:
as it a UK one in Peridot?
Yes it was loved it

V12DRC

177 posts

116 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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Mermaid said:
Manual seems to belong more to the size/power of the CR (with buckets/correct wheels/peridot), but the PDK is astonishingly effective - perfect for learning a new track.
Tks Mermaid maybe we should run this past apolo too to see if he guided Porsche through the options list 😀

I'm rather taken by the cayman r

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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V12DRC said:
I'm rather taken by the cayman r
smile


Best handling, chuckable VFM Porsche and great for shopping too - a boot at the front and one at the rear. Economical too for it is a relative lightweight and cheaper on consumables.

J-P

4,350 posts

205 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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V12DRC said:
J-P said:
Mate of mine has an Exige, it's tuned slightly and has nitrons with a track set-up. I have a manual Cayman R and I find that on track the cars are pretty evenly matched. Last year, we were fortunate enough to do a track day at the 'ring. The weather was perfect and I had some instruction. Post instruction my mate (who's a better driver than me) really struggled to keep up. A well-driven Cayman R is a pretty spectacular bit of kit to behold.
Whats regarded as better manual or PDK?
Depends on what you like. Mine's a manual, it has a very sweet gearshift. However, the PDK is faster but for me less rewarding. Great on track though!

V12DRC

177 posts

116 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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Exhaust note any good having been used to gt3's?


J-P

4,350 posts

205 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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V12DRC said:
MrDemon you clearly know your onions with these cars so just a few question if you don't mind-

Whats the deal dampers R VS Non R Cayman?

Power difference R VS NOn R

PDK or Manual the more sought after and in your opinion whats best? TKS
Dampers on the S are PASM, so not passive. The R dampers are the only sports passive dampers available on the 987.2 and 997.2 cars. Cayman R has 330hp standard S has 320hp (not convinced its a noticeable difference but never driven an S and an R back to back. R is incredibly quick though. I had a 997.2 GTS and I reckon the R is as quick in a straight line and much faster in the corners (in my hands anyway).

I'd imagine manual is better for true enthusiast spec but don't think you'd lose money on either. I think you'd need to try both and see what you prefer. Personally, the spec of the manual R is perfect for me, no silly electric parking brake, NA, flat 6, lightweight, manual and for a 2seater practical too. We've managed to get the monthly shop in ours, which is pretty impressive for an out and out sports car.