WIll you still buy a GT4 if it's a 2l turbo
Poll: WIll you still buy a GT4 if it's a 2l turbo
Total Members Polled: 137
Discussion
Goofnik said:
n17ves said:
Depsite the early indications of a 3.8 450bhp twin turbo, I thought it was pretty much accepted now that it will be a 3.4 flat 6 with arounnd 370-380bhp. Where did the 2l turbo rumours come from??
I would have to think very carefully about my slot should they go down the turbo route.
Turbos are coming to both the mid-engine cars and 911. It's not if, it's when. Porsche has to spend that development money at some point. If they want to quicken the acceptance of said motors, the best way to do it is in a higher performance car that would seem to be more appealing, to showcase what the engine can offer and to ensure folks are interested in the regular models.I would have to think very carefully about my slot should they go down the turbo route.
mrdemon said:
Few rumors stating the Cayman GT4 will be the 4 pot turbo, circa £80k views on this ?
most OPC now have 10+ waiting lists on these cars with expected rare cars to be like normal , ie. 3/4 per OPC.
IF it's a 4 pot turbo are you going to pay your 10k deposit ?
I am 2nd on the list and am finding it hard to fall in love with the 4 pot turbo idea.
But it might be great.
This is one of the most ridiculous statements you have made on PH. But fair play to you for creating a debate.most OPC now have 10+ waiting lists on these cars with expected rare cars to be like normal , ie. 3/4 per OPC.
IF it's a 4 pot turbo are you going to pay your 10k deposit ?
I am 2nd on the list and am finding it hard to fall in love with the 4 pot turbo idea.
But it might be great.
t - so £85k with a few options !!Not necessarily related to the GT4/CR, but these sound like four-cylinder prototypes testing at the Ring recently:
http://youtu.be/b1Yr3DiNOig
http://youtu.be/YXAibs8hNEM
http://youtu.be/b1Yr3DiNOig
http://youtu.be/YXAibs8hNEM
It'd have to be a flat 4 surely??
oh wait hang on... water cooled flat 4 turbo into a beetle... where have I seen that before!!
Anyway back to the question... Would I still buy it? Probably
But lets look at what it'll do for Porsche... Its a turbo, its mid-engined and its PDK. It'll appeal to everyone. The 991Gt3 opened the door to non 911 people because it was PDK... the GT4 will open the door to people that would normally consider a turbo.
On another note I spoke to an OPC today that said they weren't even sure its going to be a retail model, it might just be a race car. Yes I know huge pinch of salt...
oh wait hang on... water cooled flat 4 turbo into a beetle... where have I seen that before!!
Anyway back to the question... Would I still buy it? Probably
But lets look at what it'll do for Porsche... Its a turbo, its mid-engined and its PDK. It'll appeal to everyone. The 991Gt3 opened the door to non 911 people because it was PDK... the GT4 will open the door to people that would normally consider a turbo.
On another note I spoke to an OPC today that said they weren't even sure its going to be a retail model, it might just be a race car. Yes I know huge pinch of salt...
Crystal Ball time.
I think the Turbo engined cayman will be the Cayman 'Turbo' and will have 425Bhp, I can't see it using a 2L engine to produce that amount of power so I will go with a 3.4L engine.
The Cayman 'GT4' will have a tuned 3.4L NA engine with 380Bhp.
It's not like Porsche to stick the 3.8L engine into the Cayman, they can save weight with a smaller engine.
Carl_Docklands said:
Crystal Ball time.
I think the Turbo engined cayman will be the Cayman 'Turbo' and will have 425Bhp, I can't see it using a 2L engine to produce that amount of power so I will go with a 3.4L engine.
If Golf can get 400 hp out of their bread and butter 2L EA888 four cylinder (see Golf R 400) and the 360 hp AMG A45 2L engine can be remapped to do that too then I don’t see a reason why Porsche can’t do 425 hp with a bespoke flat four. It could be a 2.5L for all we know.I think the Turbo engined cayman will be the Cayman 'Turbo' and will have 425Bhp, I can't see it using a 2L engine to produce that amount of power so I will go with a 3.4L engine.
As for AWD in the Cayman, it is guaranteed to come once the 918 hybrid technology trickles down. Combustion engine driving the rear axle, electric motors with real torque vectoring driving the front axle.
There’s no way around it unless Porsche is fine with quick hatchbacks (A45, Golf R, RS3, whatever) leaving their sports car in the dust off the line. (hint: they are not, no matter how well balanced the chassis is in comparison)
With that being said the GT4 (or new Cayman R) will have a 370 hp 3.4L NA flat six.
Carl_Docklands said:
You don't need 4WD to put down 425bhp in a Cayman. The RUF 3800S is 2WD only and that runs a 420BHP 3.8L NA engine.
I just think the Porsche Marketing Dept. will do everything it can to avoid placing the 3.8L engine into the Cayman.
I bet it's a hoot in the wet/snow.I just think the Porsche Marketing Dept. will do everything it can to avoid placing the 3.8L engine into the Cayman.
But the whole point of a Turbo is that it is effortlessly, all-weather fast and comfortable. You'd have to make the Cayman a big fat AWD mess to bring that kind of thing to the 2-seater. To me, a more powerful Cayman makes so little sense as a mini Turbo (which doesn't even make sense to me as a concept) but so much sense as a mini GT3.
The Porsche accounting machine will make use of whatever engine is the most profitable. Thats the bottom line... we wont get anything sexy.. we'll get whatever is cheapest. If thats a turbo then its a turbo, if that is the case then, the annoying thing with that will be that once this cooking version is out the later lesser models will be lots cheaper and only a 'chip' away from matching it.
Actually thinking about it, regardless of what the GT4/R is the next generation of turbo'd Caymans will only be a chip away from 450+BHP
Never mind which engine it'll have or not have... lets get the important question out there...
Will it come with deviated stitching?
Actually thinking about it, regardless of what the GT4/R is the next generation of turbo'd Caymans will only be a chip away from 450+BHP
Never mind which engine it'll have or not have... lets get the important question out there...
Will it come with deviated stitching?
[quote=EricE]
If Golf can get 400 hp out of their bread and butter 2L EA888 four cylinder (see Golf R 400) and the 360 hp AMG A45 2L engine can be remapped to do that too then I don’t see a reason why Porsche can’t do 425 hp with a bespoke flat four. It could be a 2.5L for all we know.
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Fair points, I think the VW 400hp-alike engine will have too much Turbo lag to make it into a Porsche without an electric hybrid motor giving it assistance. For me, the use of a 2L or 2.5L engine is also ruled out on the basis that it needs to take a hammering on track, I can't see heavily boosted smaller unit delivering the goods.....yet
I think its cheaper for Porsche to use one of their off the shelf engines for this generation, it may well make its way into the 982 generation cars.
As an aside, I really like the R400 as a concept:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuztaVjpWug
If Golf can get 400 hp out of their bread and butter 2L EA888 four cylinder (see Golf R 400) and the 360 hp AMG A45 2L engine can be remapped to do that too then I don’t see a reason why Porsche can’t do 425 hp with a bespoke flat four. It could be a 2.5L for all we know.
/quote]
Fair points, I think the VW 400hp-alike engine will have too much Turbo lag to make it into a Porsche without an electric hybrid motor giving it assistance. For me, the use of a 2L or 2.5L engine is also ruled out on the basis that it needs to take a hammering on track, I can't see heavily boosted smaller unit delivering the goods.....yet
I think its cheaper for Porsche to use one of their off the shelf engines for this generation, it may well make its way into the 982 generation cars.
As an aside, I really like the R400 as a concept:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuztaVjpWug
I thought the 380bhp was the 2.5l
The smalller Bhp entry cars will be the 2l
The torque will be nice but not in keeping with the car format.
As I said rather the TTRS with there 5pot turbo and a few tweeks, I am sure the mk3 will be good.
At lease it's light. I have a sports car for driving "the Spyder"
Let's hope some are right and it will be the 3.4 but not easy to get 380bhp from that without work.
Tuned cars with 200sport cats bigger intakes and remaps with flowed manafolds are at 365bhp.
So it has to be a detuned 3.8 .
Still think it's going to be the launch of the 2.5l turbo and so does my OPC.
The smalller Bhp entry cars will be the 2l
The torque will be nice but not in keeping with the car format.
As I said rather the TTRS with there 5pot turbo and a few tweeks, I am sure the mk3 will be good.
At lease it's light. I have a sports car for driving "the Spyder"
Let's hope some are right and it will be the 3.4 but not easy to get 380bhp from that without work.
Tuned cars with 200sport cats bigger intakes and remaps with flowed manafolds are at 365bhp.
So it has to be a detuned 3.8 .
Still think it's going to be the launch of the 2.5l turbo and so does my OPC.
OPCs don't know anything about the cars that they have in stock, let alone Porsche's development plans 
The 'Ring car didnt sound like a 6-cyl to me, that's for sure, but we already knew that Porsche is developing flat fours so it's not really news and doesn't tell us a lot about the GT4.
When the turbo 4 does come, it'll probably be quite good. Journos will love it, obviously, because they are morons, but it will probably sound OK and have little lag relatively progressive power for a small turbo engine. I think paying some geek £500 to mess about with its mapping to get more horses and 'torques' would be idiotic for the same reason that I think the R400 is a bad idea.
The 'Ring car didnt sound like a 6-cyl to me, that's for sure, but we already knew that Porsche is developing flat fours so it's not really news and doesn't tell us a lot about the GT4.
When the turbo 4 does come, it'll probably be quite good. Journos will love it, obviously, because they are morons, but it will probably sound OK and have little lag relatively progressive power for a small turbo engine. I think paying some geek £500 to mess about with its mapping to get more horses and 'torques' would be idiotic for the same reason that I think the R400 is a bad idea.
NA 3.8 Flat-6... Almost certainly.
NA 3.4 Flat-6... Probably.
TT 2.5 Flat-4... Maybe.
I would, however, like it badged as a GT4 though (as opposed to an 'R', GTS-R etc).
Some of the renders have been stunning so I am not willing to say 'no' even if it is a small capacity turbo engine.
Do we know when the specs are going to be released? Feels like some of you will have £10k held by the OPC for a long time!
Ok, I may end up missing out by not putting my money down now but I am not sure I want my £10k anywhere other than my bank until I know what engine this car will have and what it looks like etc.
Then I'll have a test drive (though I assume it'll be brilliant, handling-wise, regardless) and only then will I crack out my cheque book...
Do we even know if it will be seriously 'limited' in production numbers? The 'R' wasn't a huge seller at the time, so should we expect this to be?
NA 3.4 Flat-6... Probably.
TT 2.5 Flat-4... Maybe.
I would, however, like it badged as a GT4 though (as opposed to an 'R', GTS-R etc).
Some of the renders have been stunning so I am not willing to say 'no' even if it is a small capacity turbo engine.
Do we know when the specs are going to be released? Feels like some of you will have £10k held by the OPC for a long time!
Ok, I may end up missing out by not putting my money down now but I am not sure I want my £10k anywhere other than my bank until I know what engine this car will have and what it looks like etc.
Then I'll have a test drive (though I assume it'll be brilliant, handling-wise, regardless) and only then will I crack out my cheque book...
Do we even know if it will be seriously 'limited' in production numbers? The 'R' wasn't a huge seller at the time, so should we expect this to be?
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