Another 987 vs 981 thread...
Discussion
Ozzie Osmond said:
By all means enjoy your car and be proud of your car but please accept that Mr Porsche wouldn't have bothered to launch the new range unless he thought it was a step forwards.
? I think the change # progress thing has been done to death. Porsche thinks we should all drive PDK, for example, and many of us disagree.
We are also in a rather peculiar age in which car manufacturers cannot offer us the products that they want to because of emissions nonsense, making them have to market things they know are compromised - see,e.g., electronic steering.
I’ll save my observations of PDK for another thread other than no thanks!
The 981 is a great overall package as is the 987, but as someone who actually owns my car the £15/20k to change is extremely questionable. I think the ‘move sideways’ analogy was very good indeed.
The more I think about it the more I look forward to buying a late 997.2 C2S manual next year.
The 981 is a great overall package as is the 987, but as someone who actually owns my car the £15/20k to change is extremely questionable. I think the ‘move sideways’ analogy was very good indeed.
The more I think about it the more I look forward to buying a late 997.2 C2S manual next year.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Preserved for posterity.
My bet is your contributions to this thread will leave you looking a bit of a tw@t.
It does not look very good now imo, and it's the 1st try at electric steering which atm is pants.My bet is your contributions to this thread will leave you looking a bit of a tw@t.
I think the 1st gen of 981 will be forgot quite quick.
roll on the 981.2 car.
the .2 models are always the best ones as they iron out the crap bits.
987.1 to 987.2 , ie the S sport to the R, no contest, same with the 997.1 to 997.2 flawed engine design with tiptronic to GTS, I am sure the 991.2 will also be loads better and will have N spec PSS lol
Edited by mrdemon on Wednesday 3rd September 16:00
ORD said:
If I were in the market to spend more money and "upgrade", I wouldn't be able to look beyond a 997.2 GTS. Better steering than a 981, more power, much better resistance to depreciation, etc.
I agree the GTS is a great car, I would buy one myself but 20k to change over the R is hard to swallow.for some one buying a new 981 now a 997.2 GTS over any thing new has to be the one at 65k spend.
ORD said:
If I were in the market to spend more money and "upgrade", I wouldn't be able to look beyond a 997.2 GTS. Better steering than a 981, more power, much better resistance to depreciation, etc.
But if you are going down the used route, you are not comparing apples with apples. The cheapest (already 3 1/2 year old) GTS on the Porsche approved used car locator site is £59k with 33k miles. A 2200 mile 981 Cayman S is advertised on the same site for some £13k less than that. Whilst in percentage terms I accept that that the GTS will hold its value better, in cash terms in the medium term, I'm not so sure.Whilst looks are completely subjective, the 981 Cayman is a more modern design, whilst the 997 GTS will just look like a 2004 Carrera S to most people. The 981 has second generation PDK, 2 boot practicality, will be miles better on fuel, is to all intents and purposes just as fast at least 99% of the time, has the engine in the right place, great handling, far more modern interior and at that lower price point offer better value for money and it won't be due a major service in a few months either...
After 6k miles in my 981 Cayman S, the steering comment is a non issue in the real world, there's really nothing wrong it. I accept that there's more feel in a 987.2 (I came from the sublime Spyder) but it's still a good sports car. I'm happy with mine anyway.
What I'd like to know is how the 981 boxster/cayman GTS with the X73 sport chassis compares to a spyder/cayman r. I'm sure it makes a big difference to the car and gives a lot of what the spider/R offered. Sadly most are not brave enough to spec it!
I couldn't give a damn about the unique body panels of the spyder - the roof was a right faff. The car is great DESPITE the roof, no matter what Mr Demon or anyone else will tell you.
The only thing that will get me out of my manual 360 spider is something as involving as the boxster spyder / cayman r. The cayman R is boomy at motorway speeds when I had one for a week. That's expected in a Ferrari perhaps, but not a cayman.
The normal 987S I owned was great but ultimately I got a bit bored of it, amazing as they are.
The game does seem to be up with these cars though when you look at the odd gearing of the 981 - 2nd gear having being so high to meet emissions regs.
I couldn't give a damn about the unique body panels of the spyder - the roof was a right faff. The car is great DESPITE the roof, no matter what Mr Demon or anyone else will tell you.
The only thing that will get me out of my manual 360 spider is something as involving as the boxster spyder / cayman r. The cayman R is boomy at motorway speeds when I had one for a week. That's expected in a Ferrari perhaps, but not a cayman.
The normal 987S I owned was great but ultimately I got a bit bored of it, amazing as they are.
The game does seem to be up with these cars though when you look at the odd gearing of the 981 - 2nd gear having being so high to meet emissions regs.
rob.kellock said:
But if you are going down the used route, you are not comparing apples with apples. The cheapest (already 3 1/2 year old) GTS on the Porsche approved used car locator site is £59k with 33k miles. A 2200 mile 981 Cayman S is advertised on the same site for some £13k less than that. Whilst in percentage terms I accept that that the GTS will hold its value better, in cash terms in the medium term, I'm not so sure.
Whilst looks are completely subjective, the 981 Cayman is a more modern design, whilst the 997 GTS will just look like a 2004 Carrera S to most people. The 981 has second generation PDK, 2 boot practicality, will be miles better on fuel, is to all intents and purposes just as fast at least 99% of the time, has the engine in the right place, great handling, far more modern interior and at that lower price point offer better value for money and it won't be due a major service in a few months either...
After 6k miles in my 981 Cayman S, the steering comment is a non issue in the real world, there's really nothing wrong it. I accept that there's more feel in a 987.2 (I came from the sublime Spyder) but it's still a good sports car. I'm happy with mine anyway.
I agree Rob.Whilst looks are completely subjective, the 981 Cayman is a more modern design, whilst the 997 GTS will just look like a 2004 Carrera S to most people. The 981 has second generation PDK, 2 boot practicality, will be miles better on fuel, is to all intents and purposes just as fast at least 99% of the time, has the engine in the right place, great handling, far more modern interior and at that lower price point offer better value for money and it won't be due a major service in a few months either...
After 6k miles in my 981 Cayman S, the steering comment is a non issue in the real world, there's really nothing wrong it. I accept that there's more feel in a 987.2 (I came from the sublime Spyder) but it's still a good sports car. I'm happy with mine anyway.
I've owned several 911's but at this time I wanted a two seater mid engined sports car so the Cayman GTS was ideal for my current needs. For the reasons you have stated the 981 Cayman in any guise is a great car. If depreciation was a factor to me I'd have bought a ten year old MX 5.....
rob.kellock said:
ORD said:
If I were in the market to spend more money and "upgrade", I wouldn't be able to look beyond a 997.2 GTS. Better steering than a 981, more power, much better resistance to depreciation, etc.
But if you are going down the used route, you are not comparing apples with apples. The cheapest (already 3 1/2 year old) GTS on the Porsche approved used car locator site is £59k with 33k miles. A 2200 mile 981 Cayman S is advertised on the same site for some £13k less than that. Whilst in percentage terms I accept that that the GTS will hold its value better, in cash terms in the medium term, I'm not so sure.Whilst looks are completely subjective, the 981 Cayman is a more modern design, whilst the 997 GTS will just look like a 2004 Carrera S to most people. The 981 has second generation PDK, 2 boot practicality, will be miles better on fuel, is to all intents and purposes just as fast at least 99% of the time, has the engine in the right place, great handling, far more modern interior and at that lower price point offer better value for money and it won't be due a major service in a few months either...
After 6k miles in my 981 Cayman S, the steering comment is a non issue in the real world, there's really nothing wrong it. I accept that there's more feel in a 987.2 (I came from the sublime Spyder) but it's still a good sports car. I'm happy with mine anyway.
The 981 is technically better than both the 987 and 997 but as we've discussed before, driving enjoyment. Either it bothers you or it doesn't.
For me, the 981 is going to be around for a while to come so there is no rush to jump on the bandwagon and buy one. Were as the longer I leave it the more the analogue 997 dates, so its probably best to buy one sooner rather than later.
said:
I couldn't give a damn about the unique body panels of the spyder - the roof was a right faff. The car is great DESPITE the roof, no matter what Mr Demon or anyone else will tell you.
Usual roof comments.It takes less than 60 seconds to put the roof either up or down.
If you want a commuting/touring car, go buy an e-class or 5 series or something else nice and comfortable.
The car is noisier with the roof down... So if you can't live with that then even considering it is a non starter.
The roof ADDS to the Spyder it doesn't detract. The ones who get that will be the long term owners.
I had mine 4 years.
The roof is a faff. But worse, makes the car very noisy on the motorway.
You can't help but feel a tosser in the work car park walking round it popping press studs and rolling up the rear screen whilst your colleagues drive off home taking the mick...
Depends when/where you use it I suppose. Wish I could have kept mine.
The roof is a faff. But worse, makes the car very noisy on the motorway.
You can't help but feel a tosser in the work car park walking round it popping press studs and rolling up the rear screen whilst your colleagues drive off home taking the mick...
Depends when/where you use it I suppose. Wish I could have kept mine.
I know you are fan of the car Rob.
However, the whole point of the car and where it comes into its own is with the roof down.
The wind noise is far worse roof down than up. So if the car is enjoyed roof down, then it is liveable roof up. On motorways, with roof up it is noisy, bit also far more comfortable than roof down.
But the point is that it isn't meant to be a motorway cruiser.
I think the roof is a defining character and adds to the model. If the whole rear lid lifted and an automated hood popped up it would just be another boxster.
It's not a parts special, it's unique.
However, the whole point of the car and where it comes into its own is with the roof down.
The wind noise is far worse roof down than up. So if the car is enjoyed roof down, then it is liveable roof up. On motorways, with roof up it is noisy, bit also far more comfortable than roof down.
But the point is that it isn't meant to be a motorway cruiser.
I think the roof is a defining character and adds to the model. If the whole rear lid lifted and an automated hood popped up it would just be another boxster.
It's not a parts special, it's unique.
Love the way people still convince themselves the roof is some kind of benefit/feature of the car or that you aren't serious if you can't put up with the roof! "If you don't get the roof, you don't get the car". Just ridiculous.
Plenty of us are enthusiasts who couldn't put up with the roof! I'd want a proper roof so I could use the car more often.
The car would have been a bigger success for Porsche if they'd have got the roof right. It's still an enthusiasts car because of the great driving experience and low production volume. At least the ex-owners have the honesty to admit the short-comings.
Plenty of us are enthusiasts who couldn't put up with the roof! I'd want a proper roof so I could use the car more often.
The car would have been a bigger success for Porsche if they'd have got the roof right. It's still an enthusiasts car because of the great driving experience and low production volume. At least the ex-owners have the honesty to admit the short-comings.
TB303 said:
I couldn't give a damn about the unique body panels of the spyder - the roof was a right faff. The car is great DESPITE the roof, no matter what Mr Demon or anyone else will tell you.
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Look at my past posts and I state the roofs s.
t. (But does work and is water tight) I am not going to say black is white because I own one, the roof sucks monkey balls.
The thing is I bought my Spyder over a caterham, atom, lotus etc. it's my 3rd car for dry use only I don't even carry the roof let alone put it on.
So the roof is not a faff if you don't use it, ;-p. My car has no radio so nothing to nick, I leave it roof off when parked.
It's a open top concept , so. Not sure why people buy and spec them up the wrong way then moan about the roof.
At the point you spec the weight back in you have bought the wrong car.
Cars best feature is the way it feels light with a low C of G that's the fun that's why I don't even carry the roof about.
But not sure why this is now a Spyder thread ?
Edited by mrdemon on Thursday 4th September 00:48
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