Cayman R. V. Golf R
Discussion
Ha, indeed. I didn't think it would put me off a GT4, but on closer thought, it would. I don't mind a 4-cyl in my Golf as that is how it's always been, but in a Porsche? Wouldn't seem right.
However, I shall be greatly amused as PH Porsche forum implodes when a Golf beats a Porsche around the 'ring. Already I sense beards flexing in indignation that some oik in a 'shopping car on finance' might not only have spent less, but be able to go quicker too. Whatever next? Electrically assisted steering? Ye gads!
However, I shall be greatly amused as PH Porsche forum implodes when a Golf beats a Porsche around the 'ring. Already I sense beards flexing in indignation that some oik in a 'shopping car on finance' might not only have spent less, but be able to go quicker too. Whatever next? Electrically assisted steering? Ye gads!
PorkRind said:
ORD said:
Oh dear. No. No. No. Your old TT was not faster than a GTR. You have some kind of rare mental condition when it comes to that car.
I can see what he's saying here though, you'd be able to squeeze the tt down some b roads -the gtr you'd get wedged in !That said, have you seen the new TT? It looks like a boat. I don't know whether or not it is actually much bigger than the last generation, but it certainly looks it.
PorkRind said:
I can see what he's saying here though, you'd be able to squeeze the tt down some b roads -the gtr you'd get wedged in !
In fairness I used to have a remapped TTRS (circa 400bhp) and it did have an R35 by a whisker in a straight line run - I've no idea what model year the R35 was though, it could quite easily have been one of the early ones.n17ves said:
In fairness I used to have a remapped TTRS (circa 400bhp) and it did have an R35 by a whisker in a straight line run - I've no idea what model year the R35 was though, it could quite easily have been one of the early ones.
Yeah but a remapped 335D will murder a 458 Speciale in a straight line...n17ves said:
In fairness I used to have a remapped TTRS (circa 400bhp) and it did have an R35 by a whisker in a straight line run - I've no idea what model year the R35 was though, it could quite easily have been one of the early ones.
people won't believe it :-)but the TTRS remapped would out run a mk1 GTR that's just a fact ;-) the gen 2's ect or any after that were a lot faster and of course they keep getting faster.
but not as fast as a base model 911 turbo cab :-)
not sure why there are so many doubters, we did enough 30-130 and drag race events in them.
cibble10 said:
I owned a Cayman R before a Vantage v12. The v12 sounded fantastic but on occasion struggled to the get the power down with wheel spin on anything but warm tyres and bone dry road (and it could still wheel spin in 1st to 3rd!). The Cayman was if anything very slightly underpowered but gave me far more confidence and was more 'fun' to drive. According to the EVO mag the Cayman R was also a few seconds quicker around the Bedford Aerodrome.I have ordered the Boxster GTS which I feel will give me the right power level and fun all in one package, plus some sunshine in the cabin :-) More BHP doesn't necessarily equate to more fun and speed!
agree. V12v british hot rod really. On give or take roads, the CR would and should be faster as would any boxster tbh. But I think it's something that with time, the driver can be more comfortable. I hope the v12vs is a better drive.Not in the same market but imo, 981 caymans and boxsters are so well balanced, they are ridiculously good for the price. Here's hoping the new miata lives up to the hype.
braddo said:
ORD said:
I don't believe that MrD didn't know that. He was trying to sound like a non-nerd.
I agree. Front-mid-engined is obscure/new enough that "mid-engined" is always thought to be to be rear-mid-engined unless otherwise specified. Not sure what else MR is supposed to refer to in the context.Extra irony points for asking "wtf is MR"
"lol"
IDL TLAs. I don't like three letter acronyms.
Note: My comments have nothing to do with GT3s and gear ratios.
Lots Of Love ... Chris.
Having both to play with helps the comparison.
The golf is very good fun to drive, simply because it is quick, can be thrown about, grips like a very grippy thing, and pulls hard meaning most cars would not get away from it around B roads and as others have said this type of performance leveller applies to a number of tasty hot hatches as well.
Vs the CaymanR if you get on the gas a bit quicker (avoiding any lag) the Golf will hang with it until near triple digit speeds and the Cayman then pulls steadily away. Off the line the Golf performs well being 4wd and there's not a lot in it, just depends on the particular car drag start result.
Round a track or on similar type of series of roads though the Cayman will eat it. The Cayman is a completely different fun proposition too.
Both actually great cars imo for different reasons.
Shelsleyf2 said:
evojam said:
A 2010 Cayman R is 8 seconds a lap quicker around the Nurburgring than a Mk7 Golf R,read into that what you will
Well given that the lap is about 550 secs that makes the Cayman 8 seconds doesn't seem significantly quicker, that is assuming equally capable drivers, the road in the same condition, same weather and wind were the same, same traffic problems etc etc.in other words not enough to make a judgment
We've an R and an S and whilst straight line there's not a lot in it the R is quicker round track type roads and corners - no doubt.
The Cayman will beat the golf on all tracks convincingly.
Edited by OldBob on Thursday 2nd October 17:16
OldBob said:
I don't believe that time from fastestlaps at all. The Cayman R is significantly faster than an Cayman S on all other tracks, yet is identical time on the ring - don't think so.
We've an R and an S and whilst straight line there's not a lot in it the R is quicker round track type roads and corners - no doubt.
The Cayman will beat the golf on all tracks convincingly.
That's a nice pair too have on the driveway We've an R and an S and whilst straight line there's not a lot in it the R is quicker round track type roads and corners - no doubt.
The Cayman will beat the golf on all tracks convincingly.
Edited by OldBob on Thursday 2nd October 17:16
do we have a reliable Ring time for the Cayman R then? You could always tune the Golf up a bit 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdHVjYM9WsM
evojam said:
..do we have a reliable Ring time for the Cayman R then? You could always tune the Golf up a bit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdHVjYM9WsM
I haven't seen anything for R ring times other than on fastest laps, must say it's a bit surprising/suspicious that they are identical for an R and S.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdHVjYM9WsM
I can certainly recognise the faster times on all the other tracks and from our personal experiences, and whilst the ring suits certain setups differently I can't believe the R advantages wouldn't also transfer to the ring to some extent.
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/porsche_cayman_...
Re tuning the golf, then that is clearly something that is going to be attractive for some and why not. Tweaking, power and geo/handling could imo make it very competitive.
Had my fair share of mapped Oiliers over the years and they are great but that is bo**ox.I wanted to get a posh Golf R recently (AKA Audi S3) but the Audi dealer steered me in the direction of BMW (nice of him, really).
Anyway, so we now have an M235i, which is a great little car and the CR (which is just amazing).
Interestingly, my Mrs believes the BMW is faster than my car and I have to say that in SPort mode intially it feels it too but once you've got the crescendo building in the CR, it's definitely quicker.
On a track, I don't think the BMW would see which way the CR went but on the road, they are very evenly matched - if anything the BMW is probably quicker as the low down torque is epic - even in the dry the Michelin PSS struggle to contain it and mated to the ZF gearbox, it really is a formidable combination.
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to discover that a Golf R is quicker than a CR on the road. I mean even a Trophy R would spank a CR around the 'ring!
Anyway, so we now have an M235i, which is a great little car and the CR (which is just amazing).
Interestingly, my Mrs believes the BMW is faster than my car and I have to say that in SPort mode intially it feels it too but once you've got the crescendo building in the CR, it's definitely quicker.
On a track, I don't think the BMW would see which way the CR went but on the road, they are very evenly matched - if anything the BMW is probably quicker as the low down torque is epic - even in the dry the Michelin PSS struggle to contain it and mated to the ZF gearbox, it really is a formidable combination.
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to discover that a Golf R is quicker than a CR on the road. I mean even a Trophy R would spank a CR around the 'ring!
Dblue said:
J-P said:
I mean even a Trophy R would spank a CR around the 'ring!
Said as if the Renault was inferior to a Golf R or M235i around the ring or indeed down a decent B Road. Rather than quite a bit faster than either.;)
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