Cayman R. V. Golf R
Discussion
I have been head to head with a RS of about 400bhp the Focus never seem that fast imo
nice cars though and hold value great, great car to partner a R
but even with 400BHP my car pulls away from one and at higher speeds really starts to pull away.
I noticed this with my OLD TTRS with 430BHP a Focus would need 500BHP to keep any where near my old car and still lost by a big margin at the 30-130 events.
RS 205bhp/ton 0-124mph in >21 seconds, Cayman R 0-124 in 15.5 seconds , it's not even close.
basic mountune with 345bhp is still only 0-124 in 19.5 seconds.
the golf R is about 18seconds to 124mph so quicker than a Mountune RS. (stage1)
nice cars though and hold value great, great car to partner a R
but even with 400BHP my car pulls away from one and at higher speeds really starts to pull away.
I noticed this with my OLD TTRS with 430BHP a Focus would need 500BHP to keep any where near my old car and still lost by a big margin at the 30-130 events.
RS 205bhp/ton 0-124mph in >21 seconds, Cayman R 0-124 in 15.5 seconds , it's not even close.
basic mountune with 345bhp is still only 0-124 in 19.5 seconds.
the golf R is about 18seconds to 124mph so quicker than a Mountune RS. (stage1)
Edited by mrdemon on Tuesday 9th September 20:49
mrdemon said:
I have been head to head with a RS of about 400bhp the Focus never seem that fast imo
nice cars though and hold value great, great car to partner a R
but even with 400BHP my car pulls away from one and at higher speeds really starts to pull away.
I noticed this with my OLD TTRS with 430BHP a Focus would need 500BHP to keep any where near my old car and still lost by a big margin at the 30-130 events.
RS 205bhp/ton 0-124mph in >21 seconds, Cayman R 0-124 in 15.5 seconds , it's not even close.
basic mountune with 345bhp is still only 0-124 in 19.5 seconds.
the golf R is about 18seconds to 124mph so quicker than a Mountune RS. (stage1)
Porsche must be very conservative with their power figures then? (I have a Cayman R)nice cars though and hold value great, great car to partner a R
but even with 400BHP my car pulls away from one and at higher speeds really starts to pull away.
I noticed this with my OLD TTRS with 430BHP a Focus would need 500BHP to keep any where near my old car and still lost by a big margin at the 30-130 events.
RS 205bhp/ton 0-124mph in >21 seconds, Cayman R 0-124 in 15.5 seconds , it's not even close.
basic mountune with 345bhp is still only 0-124 in 19.5 seconds.
the golf R is about 18seconds to 124mph so quicker than a Mountune RS. (stage1)
Edited by mrdemon on Tuesday 9th September 20:49
SkinnyP said:
You're driving a Porsche, their driving a glorified hatchback on finance.
I wouldnt worry about
Well, that's a pretty bigoted statement there.I wouldnt worry about
I had a previous generation Mk6 R. The Mk7 seems to have moved the game on considerably and i've been very impressed by the reviews. I had it up to 360bhp and it kept the Turbo S honest up to three figures! Round corners, you can just lean on them without fear and it's for that reason it will be quicker than more exotic cars on your average B road.
hondansx said:
SkinnyP said:
You're driving a Porsche, their driving a glorified hatchback on finance.
I wouldnt worry about
Well, that's a pretty bigoted statement there.I wouldnt worry about
I had a previous generation Mk6 R. The Mk7 seems to have moved the game on considerably and i've been very impressed by the reviews. I had it up to 360bhp and it kept the Turbo S honest up to three figures! Round corners, you can just lean on them without fear and it's for that reason it will be quicker than more exotic cars on your average B road.
mrdemon said:
I have been head to head with a RS of about 400bhp the Focus never seem that fast imo
nice cars though and hold value great, great car to partner a R
but even with 400BHP my car pulls away from one and at higher speeds really starts to pull away.
I noticed this with my OLD TTRS with 430BHP a Focus would need 500BHP to keep any where near my old car and still lost by a big margin at the 30-130 events.
RS 205bhp/ton 0-124mph in >21 seconds, Cayman R 0-124 in 15.5 seconds , it's not even close.
basic mountune with 345bhp is still only 0-124 in 19.5 seconds.
the golf R is about 18seconds to 124mph so quicker than a Mountune RS. (stage1)
To be honest 0-60, 0-100, etc are of no interest to me at all. I definitely don't care about something as arbitrary as 0-124mph times - yes I know it's the equivalent of 0-200kph. I'm far more interested in how quickly a car picks up in third, which is what I'll be using when I overtake most of the time. nice cars though and hold value great, great car to partner a R
but even with 400BHP my car pulls away from one and at higher speeds really starts to pull away.
I noticed this with my OLD TTRS with 430BHP a Focus would need 500BHP to keep any where near my old car and still lost by a big margin at the 30-130 events.
RS 205bhp/ton 0-124mph in >21 seconds, Cayman R 0-124 in 15.5 seconds , it's not even close.
basic mountune with 345bhp is still only 0-124 in 19.5 seconds.
the golf R is about 18seconds to 124mph so quicker than a Mountune RS. (stage1)
Edited by mrdemon on Tuesday 9th September 20:49
You could argue 0-124mph times when comparing, say, a Ferrari 430 against a Cayman S - whereby on paper the Ferrari would leave it for dead, on public British roads, the Cayman S would do a good job of hanging on until a long, wide straight opened up. 0-xxx times and lap times don't really equate to car a versus car b on the road.
Likewise, bhp figures are completely misleading especially when a peak figure comes up in the stratosphere on one car, and is achieved far lower down in another.
And then there's the issue of torque and its accessibility and usability - and while I'll always prefer a high revving NA engine when I'm on track, or have great roads with no traffic in front of me, it's great to ride that torque when you're having to overtake regularly.
The fact is that a decent hot hatch, whether it be an FRS, Megane 265, Golf R, etc, can hold its own against far more exotic metal on British roads. It would be very different on track or on the right roads (probably not in Britain though, given how appalling most of our roads are).
So, returning to the OP's original point. No, I wouldn't be that surprised if a Golf R, or any other high powered hot hatch gave my Cayman R a run for its money in many on-road situations. But if the road was smooth, sweeping, and empty, so that you could use all the revs and wind up the engine to heights it enjoys, things would be different.
MDT48 said:
To be honest 0-60, 0-100, etc are of no interest to me at all. I definitely don't care about something as arbitrary as 0-124mph tiemes - yes I know it's the equivalent of 0-200kph. I'm far more interested in how quickly a car picks up in third, which is what I'll be using when I overtake most of the time.
You could argue 0-124mph times when comparing, say, a Ferrari 430 against a Cayman S - whereby on paper the Ferrari would leave it for dead, on public British roads, the Cayman S would do a good job of hanging on until a long, wide straight opened up. 0-xxx times and lap times don't really equate to car a versus car b on the road.
Likewise, bhp figures are completely misleading especially when a peak figure comes up in the stratosphere on one car, and is achieved far lower down in another.
And then there's the issue of torque and its accessibility and usability - and while I'll always prefer a high revving NA engine when I'm on track, or have great roads with no traffic in front of me, it's great to ride that torque when you're having to overtake regularly.
The fact is that a decent hot hatch, whether it be an FRS, Megane 265, Golf R, etc, can hold its own against far more exotic metal on British roads. It would be very different on track or on the right roads (probably not in Britain though, given how appalling most of our roads are).
So, returning to the OP's original point. No, I wouldn't be that surprised if a Golf R, or any other high powered hot hatch gave my Cayman R a run for its money in many on-road situations. But if the road was smooth, sweeping, and empty, so that you could use all the revs and wind up the engine to heights it enjoys, things would be different.
I'd agree with all that. A few years ago I had my first alpine trip and was heading over the col d isran in my then tuscan. I was giving everything I could and stuck to my tail was a Peugeot 106 being hustled by a local Nicole. I wouldn't dare go any faster given the road surface, the nature of the car on the limit and my average pedalling skills, she ddidn't seem troubled. You could argue 0-124mph times when comparing, say, a Ferrari 430 against a Cayman S - whereby on paper the Ferrari would leave it for dead, on public British roads, the Cayman S would do a good job of hanging on until a long, wide straight opened up. 0-xxx times and lap times don't really equate to car a versus car b on the road.
Likewise, bhp figures are completely misleading especially when a peak figure comes up in the stratosphere on one car, and is achieved far lower down in another.
And then there's the issue of torque and its accessibility and usability - and while I'll always prefer a high revving NA engine when I'm on track, or have great roads with no traffic in front of me, it's great to ride that torque when you're having to overtake regularly.
The fact is that a decent hot hatch, whether it be an FRS, Megane 265, Golf R, etc, can hold its own against far more exotic metal on British roads. It would be very different on track or on the right roads (probably not in Britain though, given how appalling most of our roads are).
So, returning to the OP's original point. No, I wouldn't be that surprised if a Golf R, or any other high powered hot hatch gave my Cayman R a run for its money in many on-road situations. But if the road was smooth, sweeping, and empty, so that you could use all the revs and wind up the engine to heights it enjoys, things would be different.
However, the next day pulling away from an autostrada toll booth outside turin it took apart an mc stradale. Horses for courses.
I agree that it could keep up on a B road, you have to change gear at 7k on a Cayman and be on the boil, people change to early.
I said I can keep up with most cars with my JCW MINI @:-)
I'll go on and state this was why I sold my GT3 and why my TTRS was the quickest car on the road full stop A to B
I could not get the GT3 to rev out on B roads as the ratios were so long.
If you want the fastest A to B car the TTRS(chipped) is it. 430lbs torque to pull you out the corners.
crazy how fast you can pedal hot hatches.
I said I can keep up with most cars with my JCW MINI @:-)
I'll go on and state this was why I sold my GT3 and why my TTRS was the quickest car on the road full stop A to B
I could not get the GT3 to rev out on B roads as the ratios were so long.
If you want the fastest A to B car the TTRS(chipped) is it. 430lbs torque to pull you out the corners.
crazy how fast you can pedal hot hatches.
Edited by mrdemon on Wednesday 10th September 08:37
truck71 said:
Intriguing car the TTRS, do most get tuned and become cut price 911 turbos? Is the 5 pot heavy up front?
every one I met had tuned ones, 430bhp but the torque made it fast 430lbs/ft at low revsjust looked at some times 30-70 mph about 3 seconds in my TTRS.
side by side with other cars 40-60 mph was fun 1.2 seconds nothing could really match it.
I know the DSG cars were doing the ton in low 7 seconds. and 0-62mph in 3.1 seconds !!!!!!
So a lot faster than a 997 turbo :-)
5 pot is a bit heavy but geo and a proper set of ARB really sorted the car, it was just a weapon.
super car performance 2nd hand for £30k
Spend 15k on one and have 650BHP think it does the ton in the 5's
Edited by mrdemon on Wednesday 10th September 09:02
A TT that could crack the ton in under 8 seconds would amuse me no end I must admit.
As to the Golf R, I have one now, having come from my 987 Cayman S. The Cayman was without doubt more fun by a small,but noticeable, margin. However the Golf is so easy to drive quickly it's untrue. Loads of torque and power from low revs with 4WD traction make it very rapid point-to-point, and on a damp surface even more so. The MQB based cars are very impressive IMHO and this will be an ideal companion day-to-day. I do still fancy a fun car to go with it, but i'm coming around to the idea that less is more, so may even look at the likes of MX5 and S2000 - as Mr D says, Porsche are geared so damn long, i routinely found myself doing over 100mph on local B-roads, which was just silly...
As to the Golf R, I have one now, having come from my 987 Cayman S. The Cayman was without doubt more fun by a small,but noticeable, margin. However the Golf is so easy to drive quickly it's untrue. Loads of torque and power from low revs with 4WD traction make it very rapid point-to-point, and on a damp surface even more so. The MQB based cars are very impressive IMHO and this will be an ideal companion day-to-day. I do still fancy a fun car to go with it, but i'm coming around to the idea that less is more, so may even look at the likes of MX5 and S2000 - as Mr D says, Porsche are geared so damn long, i routinely found myself doing over 100mph on local B-roads, which was just silly...
Actus Reus said:
A TT that could crack the ton in under 8 seconds would amuse me no end I must admit.
As to the Golf R, I have one now, having come from my 987 Cayman S. The Cayman was without doubt more fun by a small,but noticeable, margin. However the Golf is so easy to drive quickly it's untrue. Loads of torque and power from low revs with 4WD traction make it very rapid point-to-point, and on a damp surface even more so. The MQB based cars are very impressive IMHO and this will be an ideal companion day-to-day. I do still fancy a fun car to go with it, but i'm coming around to the idea that less is more, so may even look at the likes of MX5 and S2000 - as Mr D says, Porsche are geared so damn long, i routinely found myself doing over 100mph on local B-roads, which was just silly...
And there's the crux, modern cars can have you pedalling at indecent speeds all over the place. Even my boggo 2.7 Cayman is travelling at jailable velocity on decent A roads. I agree, a tuned TT would be hilarious but for how long? One thought I had was to change the final drive ratio in mine and reduce in gear speeds by 10mph or so. The high 7th gear would still deliver decent cruising and the engine would rev out at lower speeds.As to the Golf R, I have one now, having come from my 987 Cayman S. The Cayman was without doubt more fun by a small,but noticeable, margin. However the Golf is so easy to drive quickly it's untrue. Loads of torque and power from low revs with 4WD traction make it very rapid point-to-point, and on a damp surface even more so. The MQB based cars are very impressive IMHO and this will be an ideal companion day-to-day. I do still fancy a fun car to go with it, but i'm coming around to the idea that less is more, so may even look at the likes of MX5 and S2000 - as Mr D says, Porsche are geared so damn long, i routinely found myself doing over 100mph on local B-roads, which was just silly...
IF they have got the weight down more in the mk3 TT (which they have) and the new TTRS is launched with 370/380bhp it's going to take the A to B awards
I think the outgoing Plus had 360BHP.
It's going to make Caymans look stupid slow.
I bet the GOlF R make a lot of cars look stupid esp once it gets a bit wet.
the TTS inside looks great
I think the outgoing Plus had 360BHP.
It's going to make Caymans look stupid slow.
I bet the GOlF R make a lot of cars look stupid esp once it gets a bit wet.
the TTS inside looks great
I quite regularly go out with a diverse group of cars/drivers on a weekend on primarily B road/twisties and I would say the real life differences between the actual performance of anything from Mr Demons MINI upwards is increasingly small on public roads.
the fact is that a Golf R (Especially in slippery conditions ) or a Megane 265 would both easily match cars with twice their power on most roads of that type and even on faster A Road /Dual carriageway blasts you will need to be driving the more powerful car at highly illegal and inappropriate speeds to gain any "real world" advantage.
And that means 600bhp GTRs , 458s, 12Cs
But ALL of this is less important than the driver by some way. One of the aforementioned regulars is as fast in a MINI Diesel Cab as most in Porsche Turbos
the fact is that a Golf R (Especially in slippery conditions ) or a Megane 265 would both easily match cars with twice their power on most roads of that type and even on faster A Road /Dual carriageway blasts you will need to be driving the more powerful car at highly illegal and inappropriate speeds to gain any "real world" advantage.
And that means 600bhp GTRs , 458s, 12Cs
But ALL of this is less important than the driver by some way. One of the aforementioned regulars is as fast in a MINI Diesel Cab as most in Porsche Turbos
so if we all go out and do cira 85mph on our B roads for thrills, the key issue is then what fun are we all having :-)
should we all go and buy the new MX5 ?
the TTRS was never a fun drive, the fun was bating super cars esp 911's (more the point them trying to blow you away and then failing big time), B roads were just a way to get from A to B with nicer views.
I would not go out and drive a Golf R or a TTRS for fun as they are not fun cars to drive.
Auto box's, ride the torque etc the fun of driving has then gone. MY JCW is my day to day car 1/2 the week and it's nice to have a turbo and a lightweight car.
the reason my Spyder has stayed with me for 2.5 years is the fact that it's a fun car to drive.
I get to mix it up a lot R about 3 days a week, JCW about 3 days a week and the Spyder 1 day a week. but I would rather drive the R over the JCW, it's just to keep the miles off it a bit.
I could say buy a golf GTD and keep the Spyder but where is the fun in that.
I would be board s
tless only owning a Golf R, it's neither fun for the weekends or gives you the Golf GTD mpg in the week.
just a nice car to own if you are not into cars, but that's how I see the 981 Porsche now, just nice cars to own, so you may as well own a Golf R over a 981 you could say and save £30k :-)
should we all go and buy the new MX5 ?
the TTRS was never a fun drive, the fun was bating super cars esp 911's (more the point them trying to blow you away and then failing big time), B roads were just a way to get from A to B with nicer views.
I would not go out and drive a Golf R or a TTRS for fun as they are not fun cars to drive.
Auto box's, ride the torque etc the fun of driving has then gone. MY JCW is my day to day car 1/2 the week and it's nice to have a turbo and a lightweight car.
the reason my Spyder has stayed with me for 2.5 years is the fact that it's a fun car to drive.
I get to mix it up a lot R about 3 days a week, JCW about 3 days a week and the Spyder 1 day a week. but I would rather drive the R over the JCW, it's just to keep the miles off it a bit.
I could say buy a golf GTD and keep the Spyder but where is the fun in that.
I would be board s
tless only owning a Golf R, it's neither fun for the weekends or gives you the Golf GTD mpg in the week.just a nice car to own if you are not into cars, but that's how I see the 981 Porsche now, just nice cars to own, so you may as well own a Golf R over a 981 you could say and save £30k :-)
Edited by mrdemon on Wednesday 10th September 09:56
I sort of agree with that and I sort of don't - the Golf R is fun I think, though granted not as much as a Cayman R. I don't think you can dismiss cars as either 'fun' or 'no fun' - there's a sliding scale, and I'd take a Golf R over a Gold GTD for fun. That said, yes, modern cars don't seem to be as much fun as their, even recent, predecessors. Fast, certainly - 300bhp in a Golf just sounds daft, given that the GTi's of my youth had only slightly more than 1/3rd of the power - but fun? I need to buy something slow, but pure, and probably old, and see how I get on. I can't help but want a GT3, but if I'm doing 110mph on a given road to wring out a Cayman S, how quickly would the GT3 be going - 120? 130? That's insane, and suitable for tracks only, and I never have the time for track days... Sort of a catch 22 I seem to be stuck in here. Will be interesting to report back, hopefully early next year - the question is, where do I spend my few grand on a fun car? MX5, S2000, Clio Trophy or MR2?
Interesting topic, I too find myself yearning for a slower more involving car. When I think about the assortment of ste and less so cars I've had the ones that were the most fun were certainly years ago. The Mk1 Golf Gti was probably the one that stands out, followed bizarrely by my old dear's 2CV..
te and less so cars I've had the ones that were the most fun were certainly years ago. The Mk1 Golf Gti was probably the one that stands out, followed bizarrely by my old dear's 2CV..I lust after another Porsche, but I know that the reality is that I probably won't get to enjoy it properly - so found myself looking a a decent size diesel for family duties, and a little sports car for weekends. If and when my budget increases I'd like to get something for use on the track, but given the usage I wonder if I'd end up resenting it - as it was I found myself not using the Cayman properly for about 4 or 5 months of the year, and I began to wonder if I was wasting my money... Lots of factors at play, but the shed of the week MX5 for £900 seems to make enormous sense to me at the moment.
MDT48 said:
The fact is that a decent hot hatch, whether it be an FRS, Megane 265, Golf R, etc, can hold its own against far more exotic metal on British roads.
Totally disagree. I went out for a long backroad blast with someone in a tuned up Megane 265 to see how it compared to my gen 1 Cayman S. The megane had track tyres, brakes and an engine tune up. My Cayman only has an exhaust and different springs. Both pilots have track experience (the megane driver lots in that car, zero track time in the cayman for me).They were matched in a straight line but everywhere else the Cayman was noticeably faster, you can't compare a mid engined car with a front engined car when it comes down to it. The conditions were dry, damp and finally wet - at all times the result was the same. Can't see any of the other hot hatches being night and day faster either?
In addition the Cayman should be better fun too, I've had my fair share of hot hatches but you can't compare with a MR car imo.
Rgds,
Dunc.
Edited by dunc_sx on Wednesday 10th September 13:03
I have a Golf GTD mk7 and it was bought with the hope it would offer a suitable compromise between the Golf 2.0TDi and Renault Megane Trophy I was running before.
One car to do both.
But in truth although the Golf is a fine car , as a drivers car its still miles behind the Renault and although a lot of that is the nature of its engine the big difference is the Renault makes it feel like its on tranquillisers.I've not tried the R and I've read all the rave reviews of its chassis and drivetrain but still up against the Megane its second best in most tests in Handling terms. Phrases being bandied about like its a better all rounder and more refined with more toys all suggest to me that the more focussed Renault is still the daddy on the twisty bits.
Even with a GT3RS in the garage I'd still take the Megane as a car to just go and have a drive with down a favourite road.Not sure the Golf R is quite that good although I'm sure a Cayman is. New Trophy with Ohlins will be better still I am sure, Liquid Yellow peril on order, be here in October and I cant wait.
One car to do both.
But in truth although the Golf is a fine car , as a drivers car its still miles behind the Renault and although a lot of that is the nature of its engine the big difference is the Renault makes it feel like its on tranquillisers.I've not tried the R and I've read all the rave reviews of its chassis and drivetrain but still up against the Megane its second best in most tests in Handling terms. Phrases being bandied about like its a better all rounder and more refined with more toys all suggest to me that the more focussed Renault is still the daddy on the twisty bits.
Even with a GT3RS in the garage I'd still take the Megane as a car to just go and have a drive with down a favourite road.Not sure the Golf R is quite that good although I'm sure a Cayman is. New Trophy with Ohlins will be better still I am sure, Liquid Yellow peril on order, be here in October and I cant wait.
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