Proof that a manual is quicker than a PDK!!
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anonymous said:
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Well, at least people who buys used sport cars prefers manual. And i agree that stupid modern time drivers can easily burn the clutch or f
ked up transmission otherwise if they drive powerful manual cars. You need just read those golf r threads and you realise hiw morons some drivers are, no running in period when car is new, no warm up before hard acceleration and so on...mrdemon said:
but we have decide the performance is slower, only the gear change is faster !!!
Who agreed that?What do you mean for performance? Lap time? Example?
Every review I've seen states PDK is quicker on track, and I velieve so, 30kg on 1400 kg car (incl driver) would be at list compensated by quicker gear changes.
but when in gear the PDK is slower :-), corners slower, takes longer to stop and is a st drive mores the point lol
I don't care any way auto's are for 30 year old girls who cannot pass a test after 12 years. (true story, my gf sister has taken to doing the auto test as manual is to hard)
t drive mores the point lolI don't care any way auto's are for 30 year old girls who cannot pass a test after 12 years. (true story, my gf sister has taken to doing the auto test as manual is to hard)
mrdemon said:
but when in gear the PDK is slower :-), corners slower, takes longer to stop and is a st drive mores the point lol
I don't care any way auto's are for 30 year old girls who cannot pass a test after 12 years. (true story, my gf sister has taken to doing the auto test as manual is to hard)
Yes, in gear Manual is faster. Assuming same ratios.t drive mores the point lolI don't care any way auto's are for 30 year old girls who cannot pass a test after 12 years. (true story, my gf sister has taken to doing the auto test as manual is to hard)
Same gear? PDK is 7 speed, have you ever heard about complains on tall manual gear ratios? I've heard a lot, Evo wrote about that in the last issue (CoTY).
But then again, I am interested in overall lap time.
Spa, Silverstone, Nurburgring. Do you believe a Manual Cayman would be faster there?
The difference in lap time is going to be inconsequential, PDK or manual.
PDK may be a fraction quicker in an out right drag race but in the real world both cars are going to accelerate at the same rate of knots, the only difference being in a manual you'll be driving the car and in the PDK you'll be operating the vehicle.
PDK may be a fraction quicker in an out right drag race but in the real world both cars are going to accelerate at the same rate of knots, the only difference being in a manual you'll be driving the car and in the PDK you'll be operating the vehicle.
30kg on a 1400kg car, irrelevant.
Quicker gearshifts only matter when accelerating, when timed the difference is minimal.
Are the gear ratios actually different and can you quantify the difference in the real world? 7th is just an overdrive.
Either way, PDK could make the car go at warp speed and it would still be boring and annoying. Anyone who says otherwise can't drive a manual, in which case PDK probably isn't going to make you much quicker.
Quicker gearshifts only matter when accelerating, when timed the difference is minimal.
Are the gear ratios actually different and can you quantify the difference in the real world? 7th is just an overdrive.
Either way, PDK could make the car go at warp speed and it would still be boring and annoying. Anyone who says otherwise can't drive a manual, in which case PDK probably isn't going to make you much quicker.
Edited by SkinnyP on Monday 17th November 21:47
SkinnyP said:
PDK may be a fraction quicker in an out right drag race but in the real world both cars are going to accelerate at the same rate of knots, the only difference being in a manual you'll be driving the car and in the PDK you'll be operating the vehicle.
Have you driven a PDK on Sport+? I have, and honestly believe it would leave me for dead in my manual car.RBT0 said:
Yes, in gear Manual is faster. Assuming same ratios.
Same gear? PDK is 7 speed, have you ever heard about complains on tall manual gear ratios? I've heard a lot, Evo wrote about that in the last issue (CoTY).
But then again, I am interested in overall lap time.
Spa, Silverstone, Nurburgring. Do you believe a Manual Cayman would be faster there?
on the bigger power tracks yes the manual with the longer ratio's will prob be quicker on those tracksSame gear? PDK is 7 speed, have you ever heard about complains on tall manual gear ratios? I've heard a lot, Evo wrote about that in the last issue (CoTY).
But then again, I am interested in overall lap time.
Spa, Silverstone, Nurburgring. Do you believe a Manual Cayman would be faster there?
but we are talking a second either way , are you that good a driver to know ?
you don't act change gear that much on track and you don't hear people saying the longer ratio's are a track issue they normally help esp on the ring and Spa.
they might not be so great at Cadwell park as an example.
each track will have a quicker car, PDK might be on one track while manual will be quicker on another.
one car with a full tank of fuel will be slower than the other car with 1/4 tank etc etc
it's pretty much a mute point unless you can lap within 2/10th of a second every lap of a Pro race driver.
the best way to be quicker is to have enough camber and the right tyres.
Edited by mrdemon on Tuesday 18th November 08:56
For what it is worth, the 5th Gear test is obvious bks.
I don't think anyone can sensibly say that 30kg makes much difference at all in a car this heavy. It's the difference between me and a fat bloke. The PDK ratios are a bit shorter, if I remember correctly, which probably makes the in-gear acceleration pretty much identical.
PDK is much much faster for most drivers, even relatively capable ones.
But that is neither here nor there. All of these cars are far too fast to be driven hard on the road, so the most important thing by a country mile is how enjoyable and involving you find the experience of driving.
I would give the PDK plus 1 point for speed (out of 100) and the manual plus 80 points for being fun. Outright speed really is not remotely important once you have a car this fast. If you are on track, too, you presumably want to have the maximum of involvement with the car, in which case manual would better.
I am so grateful for my PDK when I have to dull driving in London or on a motorway (where I think a dual clutch box actually makes the car a bit safer because you can "stamp and go" if you need to get out of the way), but you are lying to yourself if you think that PDK is the enthusiasts choice or doesn't detract from the driving experience.
ks. I don't think anyone can sensibly say that 30kg makes much difference at all in a car this heavy. It's the difference between me and a fat bloke. The PDK ratios are a bit shorter, if I remember correctly, which probably makes the in-gear acceleration pretty much identical.
PDK is much much faster for most drivers, even relatively capable ones.
But that is neither here nor there. All of these cars are far too fast to be driven hard on the road, so the most important thing by a country mile is how enjoyable and involving you find the experience of driving.
I would give the PDK plus 1 point for speed (out of 100) and the manual plus 80 points for being fun. Outright speed really is not remotely important once you have a car this fast. If you are on track, too, you presumably want to have the maximum of involvement with the car, in which case manual would better.
I am so grateful for my PDK when I have to dull driving in London or on a motorway (where I think a dual clutch box actually makes the car a bit safer because you can "stamp and go" if you need to get out of the way), but you are lying to yourself if you think that PDK is the enthusiasts choice or doesn't detract from the driving experience.
ORD said:
I am so grateful for my PDK when I have to dull driving in London or on a motorway (where I think a dual clutch box actually makes the car a bit safer because you can "stamp and go" if you need to get out of the way), but you are lying to yourself if you think that PDK is the enthusiasts choice or doesn't detract from the driving experience.
I'm not so sure. If you like heel and toeing, then go manual. If you like left foot braking whilst banging down the gears with a paddle, then go PDK. I can see the appeal in both.anonymous said:
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I'm with Vlad on left foot braking. If you give me two pedals, I'll use each foot for a different task, whereas I don't LFB in a manual. It is quite nice to be off brakes and onto gas immediately, even in relatively sedate driving. And it is hugely more convenient in stop-start driving.
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