Proof that a manual is quicker than a PDK!!

[ORD]

RBT0 said:

Sorry Cmoose I didn't mean I don't agree with you, your post was absoluteky clear, what I tried to point out is that for me no matter the control type, I just want to be as fast as possible (but not ready for a sports google car).

I agree somebody can prefer the engagement rather than speed, everyone in different terms (hydraulic steering wheel, manual gbx, etc).

You are talking about track driving, I assume? I don't think a manual gearbox would ever be the limiting factor for the speed I drive on a road! Speed limits, sight lines and traffic are always going to be the reasons for not driving faster.

[SkinnyP]

ChrisW. said:

Unless the ratios of PDK are better for the track being driven --- and yes, the PDK is faster off the line. Particularly with launch control ...

I don't think that is true, especially when launch control isn't used (i.e. 99.9% of the time).

Pulling away on wide open throttle the PDK cars just seem to make a lot of noise while the revs build and the clutch is gradually phased in, in a manual car you can do it much quicker and with no loss of mechanical sympathy.

Its the shift from 1st to 2nd which gives the reduced 0-62mph time.

Carl_Docklands said:

I think its great that the 981 has such a great manual box and people have the choice but i find it surprising that people attack PDK as if the technology insulted their mother.

The technology is very good; it’s the owners who think their car is somehow genuinely faster in the real world.

For those who think PDK makes the car genuinely quicker you must never have experienced a manual car driven well and that is such a shame, considering you have bought a Porsche and you are on this forum.

Anyway, who remembers this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTgXky5ntEo

[Ozzie Osmond]

SkinnyP said:

Pulling away on wide open throttle....

[mollytherocker]

I have a dishwasher. Its quite good. I put all my dirty dishes in it, press one button and it does everything automatically and perfectly without me having to be involved in any of the complex processes. I dont want to be involved, I want it to do it for me. I cannot wash dishes better or faster than it. I have no interest in washing dishes.

I have a huge, obsessive and frankly disturbing interest in every aspect of driving and am constantly trying to improve my skills. It is one of my obsessions, and I derive huge pleasure from it.

PDK robs me of a huge part of this obsession. Its as simple as that.

[heebeegeetee]

mollytherocker said:

I have a huge, obsessive and frankly disturbing interest in every aspect of driving and am constantly trying to improve my skills. It is one of my obsessions, and I derive huge pleasure from it.

I sincerely hope you're driving vintage then, because if you're driving anything modern it's pretty much driving itself.

[mollytherocker]

heebeegeetee said:

I sincerely hope you're driving vintage then, because if you're driving anything modern it's pretty much driving itself.

Well, its nearly 20 years old, and the only really assistance it has is ABS which would be nice if you could turn off. If I could afford it, I would buy a 44 year old one, a 911S!

Taking it to its extremes, I would find driving a steam engine immense fun. What an event that must be.

[ianrb]

mollytherocker said:

I have a dishwasher. Its quite good. I put all my dirty dishes in it, press one button and it does everything automatically and perfectly without me having to be involved in any of the complex processes. I dont want to be involved, I want it to do it for me. I cannot wash dishes better or faster than it. I have no interest in washing dishes.

I have a huge, obsessive and frankly disturbing interest in every aspect of driving and am constantly trying to improve my skills. It is one of my obsessions, and I derive huge pleasure from it.

PDK robs me of a huge part of this obsession. Its as simple as that.

I find my 10 year old Fiat Panda requires a lot more input than my Cayman to maintain 60 MPH.

Are you sure you bought the right car?

[mollytherocker]

ianrb said:

I find my 10 year old Fiat Panda requires a lot more input than my Cayman to maintain 60 MPH.

Are you sure you bought the right car?

I totally agree! Pedalling a slow car quickly is fun.

[Ozzie Osmond]

Personally I get quite a lot of enjoyment out of driving what is arguably the best £50k sportscar ever built, with its manual gearbox.

No, I don't get the feeling that the car is driving itself.

And I have no recollection of my old cars being better than this one. Or more involving. Or having better brakes without ABS. And so on. Otherwise I would probably have kept them. Which I didn't.

[freddy the frog]

well i wouldnt give a toss if it was quicker or not i just like driving the pdk plus manual option if you want it its not all about speed

[mollytherocker]

freddy the frog said:

well i wouldnt give a toss if it was quicker or not i just like driving the pdk plus manual option if you want it its not all about speed

Which specific element of the PDK box adds to your driving enjoyment? Serious question.

[ORD]

mollytherocker said:

freddy the frog said:

well i wouldnt give a toss if it was quicker or not i just like driving the pdk plus manual option if you want it its not all about speed

Which specific element of the PDK box adds to your driving enjoyment? Serious question.

Easy. I just spent 1 hour driving about 8 miles in London. That would have been quite unpleasant in any manual car. As it was, it was tolerable.

[mrdemon]

It does seem to boil down to lack of skills if people just want to go faster but fear they cannot drive that well if they owned a manual.

Most people take pictures on these flashy SLR's in P mode

It seems no one wants to learn their craft any longer, but just wants to be better/faster than the next man as easy as possible.

PDK is dull and requires no skill what so ever , taking pictures in P is dull and requires no skill what so ever, all I can put this down to is they must have one hell of a great sex life to not want to learn anything ;-)

[mollytherocker]

ORD said:

Easy. I just spent 1 hour driving about 8 miles in London. That would have been quite unpleasant in any manual car. As it was, it was tolerable.

May I suggest that a Porsche is not even the right car for that type of journey?

[mrdemon]

mollytherocker said:

May I suggest that a Porsche is not even the right car for that type of journey?

and a "chelsea tractor" is lol

[ianrb]

mrdemon said:

It does seem to boil down to lack of skills if people just want to go faster but fear they cannot drive that well if they owned a manual.

Most people take pictures on these flashy SLR's in P mode

It seems no one wants to learn their craft any longer, but just wants to be better/faster than the next man as easy as possible.

PDK is dull and requires no skill what so ever , taking pictures in P is dull and requires no skill what so ever, all I can put this down to is they must have one hell of a great sex life to not want to learn anything ;-)

But your SLR analogy falls down. Professional sports photographers tend to leave their cameras in P and concentrate on framing the shot they want; the P mode is so good that they know they cant do any better.

And most of the time there is no way I perform gear changes better than PDK, so why try to delude myself that I can better it? The old exception I can think of is when preparing for an overtake, PDK can't predict my gear changes, but I can.

[mollytherocker]

ianrb said:

But your SLR analogy falls down. Professional sports photographers tend to leave their cameras in P and concentrate on framing the shot they want; the P mode is so good that they know they cant do any better.

And most of the time there is no way I perform gear changes better than PDK, so why try to delude myself that I can better it? The old exception I can think of is when preparing for an overtake, PDK can't predict my gear changes, but I can.

Its so frustrating that you just dont get it.

We know that PDK is probably better in most situations, thats NOT THE POINT!

The point is that its more FUN trying to do it better yourself, you know, DRIVE!

By your logic, cars should be totally automated and we should sit in the back!

[mollytherocker]

mrdemon said:

and a "chelsea tractor" is lol

We are starting to get near the truth now aren't we?

[ChrisW.]

"It does seem to boil down to lack of skills if people just want to go faster but fear they cannot drive that well if they owned a manual"

ianrb said:

But your SLR analogy falls down. Professional sports photographers tend to leave their cameras in P and concentrate on framing the shot they want; the P mode is so good that they know they cant do any better.

And most of the time there is no way I perform gear changes better than PDK, so why try to delude myself that I can better it? The old exception I can think of is when preparing for an overtake, PDK can't predict my gear changes, but I can.

I am sorry but this is all proper tosh.

You only chose PDK because actually you can't use a manual ? For whom are you talking ?

I personally chose a PDK for my road car and I race a manual with no stress -- sorry.

And most professional sports photographers select the shutter speed (to kill movement) and the aperture (for the depth of focus that they want) and now allow the iso to float for an exposure profile selected by them within the frame of the camera --- i.e. spot / centre weighted / average ...

Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 23 November 21:38

[mollytherocker]

This is a complex and very specific argument. Bringing cameras into the discussion as an analogy makes no sense whatsover.