How hard is it to find a decent Cayman R??

[Mermaid]

PorscheGT4 said:

Mermaid said:

Cayman S with a factory fitted LSD is cheap enjoyable motoring.

yes it is, but an R is free motoring and comes with free buckets and free very well set up Passive dampers and light weight wheels.

a choice people can make when buying.

People can choose to buy a M3 CSL, but so many decide to buy the M3 CS or the E46 M3. at less than half the cost. And stick Cups on the car, and AP's and you have CSL like performance at the 'Ring. Cups are a consumable and the AP's can be sold on.

Not everyone has the cash to outlay for the ultimate within a sector.

[swimd]

I would say a CR at 45k is still great value for the amount of car you get.
Everybody groaned "marketing exercise" when it was launched and there's no doubt that the GT4 will be a much more hardcore/focused car but that doesn't make the CR package any worse.

Look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpDxQc50nA8

https://twitter.com/RSdriver00/status/502342376539...

the driver and owner of the 4.0 RS bought a Cayman R as a daily weeks later (coincidence? ) and loves it.

https://twitter.com/RSdriver00/status/536435949648...
https://twitter.com/RSdriver00/status/549633121218...
https://twitter.com/RSdriver00/status/549633734455...

He owns some decent cars (CGT, RS4.0, CSL, CLK Black, 650S, 599 GTO, 430 Scud and a handful of other cars) and tracks them so it seems reasonable to assume that he drives better than the average PHer and certainly better than myself.
Admittedly some of the corners in that video looked less than brilliant.

The CR and Spyders are very nicely balanced cars and a great compromise of daily driver and track cars. I just got my GT4 delivery date confirmed for July so I'm out of the market but the CR/Spyder would be my second choice.
I had to sell two of my classic cars to free up funds for the GT4 but if it's the spiritual successor to the CR it will be worth it.

[Dan911]

swimd said:

I would say a CR at 45k is still great value for the amount of car you get.
Everybody groaned "marketing exercise" when it was launched and there's no doubt that the GT4 will be a much more hardcore/focused car but that doesn't make the CR package any worse.

Look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpDxQc50nA8

https://twitter.com/RSdriver00/status/502342376539...

the driver and owner of the 4.0 RS bought a Cayman R as a daily weeks later (coincidence? ) and loves it.

https://twitter.com/RSdriver00/status/536435949648...
https://twitter.com/RSdriver00/status/549633121218...
https://twitter.com/RSdriver00/status/549633734455...

He owns some decent cars (CGT, RS4.0, CSL, CLK Black, 650S, 599 GTO, 430 Scud and a handful of other cars) and tracks them so it seems reasonable to assume that he drives better than the average PHer and certainly better than myself.
Admittedly some of the corners in that video looked less than brilliant.

The CR and Spyders are very nicely balanced cars and a great compromise of daily driver and track cars. I just got my GT4 delivery date confirmed for July so I'm out of the market but the CR/Spyder would be my second choice.
I had to sell two of my classic cars to free up funds for the GT4 but if it's the spiritual successor to the CR it will be worth it.

I think he loves his CR..

[Beanoir]

Sarnie said:

No PSE either............they seem to think a manual car is worth +£10k???

Absolutely it is!

[Beanoir]

ORD said:

Or buy an S and spend, what, £10k turning it into a better car than the R? You would save £10k doing that. It is investment pricing, pure and simple. Nothing to do with driving the thing.

£45k for a 30,000 mile car that isn't, too non-enthusiasts, even a proper Porsche? Not a chance unless you are buying to stick it in an air-conditioned garage.

Have you seen Porsche prices recently, anything remotely limited in numbers and slightly more driver focussed is retaining it's value so much more. The R and the Spyder and quite sought after cars, whinging about that fact won't change it i'm afraid.

If you think this is bonkers, have you seen the prices of 997 Sport Classics these days?

[Dan911]

Beanoir said:

Have you seen Porsche prices recently, anything remotely limited in numbers and slightly more driver focussed is retaining it's value so much more. The R and the Spyder and quite sought after cars, whinging about that fact won't change it i'm afraid.

If you think this is bonkers, have you seen the prices of 997 Sport Classics these days?

It's not only that, if you want a nice £50k ish track Porsche.. 996 GT3 going north, not many around, 997 GT3 not at £50-60k, kind of leaves CR or Spyder.

Just a thought!

[richardofengland]

Beanoir said:

Have you seen Porsche prices recently, anything remotely limited in numbers and slightly more driver focussed is retaining it's value so much more. The R and the Spyder and quite sought after cars, whinging about that fact won't change it i'm afraid.

If you think this is bonkers, have you seen the prices of 997 Sport Classics these days?

Excellent post, anything rare is very expensive and the Cayman R is a rare car and great buy sub 50k let alone 45k.

[PR36]

richardofengland said:

Excellent post, anything rare is very expensive and the Cayman R is a rare car and great buy sub 50k let alone 45k.

Sorry chaps I'm a cayman man myself and would like an R but not for 50k or 40k or even 35k. The R looks dated now compared to the 981 and compared to the GT4, well.. And i notice that there are R's out there for sale that have been so for a fair while so to suggest that they are highly sought after, holding value etc etc i don't buy it. But of course if i were an R owner on here looking to offload it shortly of course i would be talking them up as an investment, will hold their value blah blah and I'm sure there will be plenty to join in...

[m33ufo]

PR36 said:

richardofengland said:

Excellent post, anything rare is very expensive and the Cayman R is a rare car and great buy sub 50k let alone 45k.

Sorry chaps I'm a cayman man myself and would like an R but not for 50k or 40k or even 35k. The R looks dated now compared to the 981 and compared to the GT4, well.. And i notice that there are R's out there for sale that have been so for a fair while so to suggest that they are highly sought after, holding value etc etc i don't buy it. But of course if i were an R owner on here looking to offload it shortly of course i would be talking them up as an investment, will hold their value blah blah and I'm sure there will be plenty to join in...

Personally don't think they look dated. When the 981 first came out there was talk of the R dropping in value. It never really happened. I still think at mid 30's to early 40's, depending upon spec, if represents decent value and I personally can't see them dropping off a cliff or anything like.

PS...I'm not an owner and I'm not a buyer. Although, my uncle is currently looking for a car in that price band and I can think of very many worse places to put his money. I'm going to try and push him in that direction, or maybe a late E90 M3 which I also think should have pretty firm residuals. CR may be a little to compromised for him in terms of space.

Edited by m33ufo on Tuesday 17th February 14:28

[PorscheGT4]

PR36 said:

Sorry chaps I'm a cayman man myself and would like an R but not for 50k or 40k or even 35k. The R looks dated now compared to the 981 and compared to the GT4, well.. And i notice that there are R's out there for sale that have been so for a fair while so to suggest that they are highly sought after, holding value etc etc i don't buy it. But of course if i were an R owner on here looking to offload it shortly of course i would be talking them up as an investment, will hold their value blah blah and I'm sure there will be plenty to join in...

but they do hold their value !

OPC prices are up from last year.

it's not an investment, but it is a good place to put money if you want to buy a car and not loose 15k in 2 years.

Looks are personal, I like the looks better my self, some do some don't I think it's more sexy and has smoother lines.

2nd hand buyers have high expectations on spec and cars with little or no spec stick around esp if they are priced the same.

they drive and I mean "drive" way better than the GTS and feel way better than the GTS to drive :-) FACT, I am not really a GTS fan at all, it's over rated imo.

they might even be a far better road car than the GT4, we don't know that yet , but GT4 spring rates are "well hard" !!! time will tell on that one
esp now it's said to be more hardcore than the 991 GT3 and comes with track tyres as standard with NO road going option !

[ORD]

PorscheGT4 said:

but they do hold their value !

OPC prices are up from last year.

it's not an investment, but it is a good place to put money if you want to buy a car and not loose 15k in 2 years.

Looks are personal, I like the looks better my self, some do some don't I think it's more sexy and has smoother lines.

2nd hand buyers have high expectations on spec and cars with little or no spec stick around esp if they are priced the same.

they drive and I mean "drive" way better than the GTS and feel way better than the GTS to drive :-) FACT, I am not really a GTS fan at all, it's over rated imo.

they might even be a far better road car than the GT4, we don't know that yet , but GT4 spring rates are "well hard" !!! time will tell on that one
esp now it's said to be more hardcore than the 991 GT3 and comes with track tyres as standard with NO road going option !

Track tyres as standard with no option? Seriously? I doubt an OPC would turn down a sale if you said "I want road tyres on it for the same price, please".

Track tyres make me want to cry. Nobody is buying a GT4 as a track car, surely?!

[will_]

There's a white PDK Cayman R coming up at BCA Nottingham on Thursday - with 68k on the clock! Will be interesting to see what it goes for.

[EricE]

not much...

[Mermaid]

will_ said:

There's a white PDK Cayman R coming up at BCA Nottingham on Thursday - with 68k on the clock! Will be interesting to see what it goes for.

68k - that's good going, speaks volumes for the car's excellent road manners, and yet is a focused gem (but not quite a GT car`)

[V800MJH]

Hi mileage for a sports car, but there's no mechanical reason why the engine can't easily do treble that is there?

[PorscheGT4]

V800MJH said:

Hi mileage for a sports car, but there's no mechanical reason why the engine can't easily do treble that is there?

engine maybe... shocks, bushes, diff and top mounts no :-[)

[lemmingjames]

How is it that Porsche seem unable to specify something to last more than 60k miles (if some are to believed), yet Honda (which probably spends less on their cars) seem to be able to keep going and going. And were talking the Type R variants of the civics/integras/accords that do get thrashed alot

[Mermaid]

lemmingjames said:

How is it that Porsche seem unable to specify something to last more than 60k miles (if some are to believed), yet Honda (which probably spends less on their cars) seem to be able to keep going and going. And were talking the Type R variants of the civics/integras/accords that do get thrashed alot

Now that's a plan, a high revving, reliable,long lasting Honda engine in the pretty frock Porsche.

[edc]

lemmingjames said:

How is it that Porsche seem unable to specify something to last more than 60k miles (if some are to believed), yet Honda (which probably spends less on their cars) seem to be able to keep going and going. And were talking the Type R variants of the civics/integras/accords that do get thrashed alot

They can. It's just customer expectations are higher and people expect different things from their respective cars. If it feels a bit loose and baggy in the suspension department in your precision Porsche you soon know about it. In your Honda, it's just old but not broken and everything is softer anyway so you probably notice less. My current Boxster has 112k on it. The springs and dampers have been tested on a rig and are 'fine'. I know they are feeling tired as I have a same car on brand new M030 as a basis for comparison. The car as is will probably soldier on just fine for several 10k miles though but I will want to do something about it sooner. Your average Porsche owner as first or second car also probably has a few more pennies stashed away than a Honda owner who would sooner change his 10 year old Civic for a 5 year old Focus. At the same age the Honda or Ford is also probably worth considerably less but replacement suspension prices will make up a much larger proportion of the residual cost of the car so often makes refreshing parts 'unaffordable'.

[lemmingjames]

edc said:

They can. It's just customer expectations are higher and people expect different things from their respective cars. If it feels a bit loose and baggy in the suspension department in your precision Porsche you soon know about it. In your Honda, it's just old but not broken and everything is softer anyway so you probably notice less. My current Boxster has 112k on it. The springs and dampers have been tested on a rig and are 'fine'. I know they are feeling tired as I have a same car on brand new M030 as a basis for comparison. The car as is will probably soldier on just fine for several 10k miles though but I will want to do something about it sooner. Your average Porsche owner as first or second car also probably has a few more pennies stashed away than a Honda owner who would sooner change his 10 year old Civic for a 5 year old Focus. At the same age the Honda or Ford is also probably worth considerably less but replacement suspension prices will make up a much larger proportion of the residual cost of the car so often makes refreshing parts 'unaffordable'.

Depends on the model of Honda as i know from experience that the import Integra DC5 is very stiffly sprung and doesnt have trick suspension (im sure i could get the rates from somewhere for someone more qualified to dissect and discuss), either way, even after being tracked fairly hard, it didnt need bushes replaced all round.

What im trying to get to, though im not putting it across well is that how can Honda/Subaru/Jap crap have longevity on parts when Porsche can. it would seem that some on here would have you believe that a car is fked once it reaches a certain mileage yet theres cars out there that dismiss this idea (remember the 180k 996 GT3)