Cayman GT4 - Porsche now accepting deposits. (Jan 2015.)

Cayman GT4 - Porsche now accepting deposits. (Jan 2015.)

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itsybitsy

5,188 posts

184 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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Correct me if I am wrong but is not the 981 already built with lots of alloy ie doors etc so getting the weight down is going to be pretty tough! Ok buckets lose 15kg but even with those fitted I cannot see the car being more than 40 kg lighter than a standard 981 CS the gt3 is no spring chicken either!

ChrisW.

6,208 posts

254 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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If the weight is correct.

It should weigh under 1300Kgs ... but I think they would struggle to get the lightest version under 1250 Kg's --- unless they fitted a BMWi3 petrol tank !!


J-P

4,350 posts

205 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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Agree with you ORD. If that weight is correct, I'm almost certainly out, I reckon I can get the CR to about 360bhp and it weighs a lot less than 1415kg. But I suspect the weight is wrong. You'd have thought some weight loss was one of the highest priorities of the project. Even for the CR, which wasn't a high performance car project managed to lose 55kg (real world 40kg) as most cars re-introduced AC and nav/radio etc.

itsybitsy

5,188 posts

184 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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The Gts is 1345 kg the 981 cs 1340kg
Me thinks gt4 with buckets Aircon etc circa 1300-1320 kg assuming 3.8 which has to be slightly heavier than 3.4

fioran0

2,410 posts

171 months

Wednesday 28th January 2015
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If the weight in the other post runs true, then the published weight will be 75kg less (the DIN weight versus the EC weight). The would put it at 1340kg (1420kg - 75kg).

EricE

1,945 posts

128 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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Some guy on the german forums configured his GTS to less than 1300kg wet with all possible lightweight options and removing some sound insulation, removing the A/C, trimming the steel plate on which the battery sits on (apparently that shaves off 9kg), using a lithium battery, etc.

I imagine the GT4 will be around 1325 kg wet in its most purist configuration. There's not much that could possibly add weight except for the bigger engine, additional cooling and bigger wheels and tyres.

You could probably shave another 50kg off with select composite bodypanels but Porsche isn’t going that route yet... I am confident they will in the future.


Edited by EricE on Thursday 29th January 00:52

J-P

4,350 posts

205 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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fioran0 said:
If the weight in the other post runs true, then the published weight will be 75kg less (the DIN weight versus the EC weight). The would put it at 1340kg (1420kg - 75kg).
CR is 1295KG under the same measure - putting back in a stereo and AC it's still 1310KG.

http://www.porsche.com/microsite/ipad/assets/downl...

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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EricE said:
Some guy on the german forums configured his GTS to less than 1300kg wet with all possible lightweight options and removing some sound insulation, removing the A/C, trimming the steel plate on which the battery sits on (apparently that shaves off 9kg), using a lithium battery, etc.

I imagine the GT4 will be around 1325 kg wet in its most purist configuration. There's not much that could possibly add weight except for the bigger engine, additional cooling and bigger wheels and tyres.

You could probably shave another 50kg off with select composite bodypanels but Porsche isn’t going that route yet... I am confident they will in the future.


Edited by EricE on Thursday 29th January 00:52
It has to be lighter than the Cayman R to be enticing to me.

It would help to get it on smallish wheels - smaller wheels = lighter car = smaller brakes = lighter car, etc, etc.

In fact, you could put it on 17s just to slow its 'ring time and protect the GT3 from competition! Genius. Nobody would buy it with those wheels, of course, because it wouldn't be bling enough; but they could spec bigger wheels for, say, £2k.

I read some tyre reviews the other day that suggest that there are really big differences between the weight of various premium tyres (8-10kg difference in total), which is a fair bit of unsprung weight, isn't it? So, stick on some decent but light tyres that will be a bit less sticky, so will keep the 'ring time nice and high. Stick with 4-pot brakes - maybe ceramics still as they are lighter.

Everyone's a winner - we get a really nice driver's car, and Porsche doesn't accidentally produce a car that is obviously better than the GT3 (because it can point to a crappy 'ring time).



Carl_Docklands

12,101 posts

261 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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I think some of you are still dreaming about a sub 1400kg weight. maybe putting in the 3.8L engine, adding all the additional cooling required plus the new aero and clubsport items are all going to add weight before you've even started.

I Know most of you want to keep the price down so that rules out swapping things for Motorsport, carbon and titanium parts.

the Motorsport team have had the bar set very high on the performance expectations but have far less budget to work in than on the 911. if most of the cost and weight budget has gone on the bigger engine then so be it.

if the weight comes in over 1400 it just means you will either need to pay extra for the RS version of mod the car yourself.

I think Porsche need to add lightweight parts as options (if you can spec a titanium exhaust on a megane, why not a Cayman?) but are you willing to pay the £7k for a 8kg drop ? most are not willing to pay the 7k for the pccb.

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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Carl_Docklands said:
I think some of you are still dreaming about a sub 1400kg weight. maybe putting in the 3.8L engine, adding all the additional cooling required plus the new aero and clubsport items are all going to add weight before you've even started.

I Know most of you want to keep the price down so that rules out swapping things for Motorsport, carbon and titanium parts.

the Motorsport team have had the bar set very high on the performance expectations but have far less budget to work in than on the 911. if most of the cost and weight budget has gone on the bigger engine then so be it.

if the weight comes in over 1400 it just means you will either need to pay extra for the RS version of mod the car yourself.

I think Porsche need to add lightweight parts as options (if you can spec a titanium exhaust on a megane, why not a Cayman?) but are you willing to pay the £7k for a 8kg drop ? most are not willing to pay the 7k for the pccb.
True. True.

It'll probably be bloody awesome, to be honest, but I reckon that back-to-back test drives might still make a few of us prefer the Cayman R from back in ye olden days!

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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ORD said:
True. True.

It'll probably be bloody awesome, to be honest, but I reckon that back-to-back test drives might still make a few of us prefer the Cayman R from back in ye olden days!
at circa half the cost, the CR is compelling but the GT4 will be more exciting - for a while at least. Goes off looking in classifieds for a CR....

swimd

350 posts

120 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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copy and pasted some weights, Porsche DIN specs (wet with a >90% full tank) without options.
Add 75kg for EG (68kg driver + 7kg luggage):

20":
991 GT3 PDK: 1430 kg

18":
991 Carrera manual: 1400 kg
991 Carrera PDK: 1420 kg

20":
991 Carrera S manual: 1415kg
991 Carrera S PDK: 1435 kg

18":
981 Cayman manual: 1330 kg
981 Cayman PDK: 1360 kg

19":
981 Cayman S manual: 1340 kg
981 Cayman S PDK: 1370 kg

20":
981 Cayman GTS manual: 1345 kg
981 Cayman GTS PDK: 1375 kg

19":
987.2 Cayman R manual: 1295 kg
987.2 Cayman R PDK: 1320 kg

19":
981 Boxster S manual: 1340 kg
981 Boxster S PDK: 1370 kg

18":
987.2 Boxster S manual 1355 kg
987.2 Boxster S PDK 1380 kg

19":
987.2 Boxster Spyder manual: 1275 kg
987.2 Boxster Spyder PDK: 1300 kg


I'd expect the manual GT4 to weigh anywhere between 1340-1350kg. 15kg less if AC is a free option.
If you add a few options and consider the DIN 5% tolerance - which manufacturers love to make use of - a 1400 kg GT4 might not be completely unrealistic.

Scooty100

1,469 posts

115 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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TheAnimal said:
Deposits are refundable.

One thing you should be clear about is that placing a deposit will NOT change your position on any list. E.g. If there a 5 people on a list and only two have given deposits, if the first depositor was 2nd and second depositor was 4th before they placed depositis, they will STILL be 2nd and 4th respectively.

Therefore placing a deposit does nothing but move your money, your intent is the same as a non-depositor and if they are above you in the list they will be offered a car before you.

This is the process and I have been through it with a number of OPCs. Though you may get treated differently if you are a very special customer...
Just had this conversation and was told leaving a deposit will enhance my chances of getting a car!

Carl_Docklands

12,101 posts

261 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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hey swimd using DIN is cheating the numbers, you need to be using EC weights only wink


itsybitsy

5,188 posts

184 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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Scooty100 said:
Just had this conversation and was told leaving a deposit will enhance my chances of getting a car!
I have bee n told by a dealership group that depending on your previous business with said group ie how many cars you have purchased etc and if already bought some kind of gt car new improves your chances!forget lists as it is down to the dealership principal who gets cars!
So all the money people with their gt3s look set to get a car and if your not top of the list and never bought a new porsche forget it as some one below you who has spent money at said dealership gets a car!

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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It's not hard, folks! If you want to put down a £3k deposit do so on the basis of an agreement that the dealership will provide you with a car if it has x or more delivered to it by Porsche.

Otherwise, whatever they say means fk all.

If you get that agreement and they then fail to provide you with a car when they should, you buy the car from someone else who got one and sue the dealership for the premium over list.

NIgt3

612 posts

173 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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ORD said:
It's not hard, folks! If you want to put down a £3k deposit do so on the basis of an agreement that the dealership will provide you with a car if it has x or more delivered to it by Porsche.

Otherwise, whatever they say means fk all.

If you get that agreement and they then fail to provide you with a car when they should, you buy the car from someone else who got one and sue the dealership for the premium over list.
And the only person who comes out happy is a solictor!!

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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NIgt3 said:
ORD said:
It's not hard, folks! If you want to put down a £3k deposit do so on the basis of an agreement that the dealership will provide you with a car if it has x or more delivered to it by Porsche.

Otherwise, whatever they say means fk all.

If you get that agreement and they then fail to provide you with a car when they should, you buy the car from someone else who got one and sue the dealership for the premium over list.
And the only person who comes out happy is a solictor!!
& sours the GT4 experience

franki68

10,330 posts

220 months

Friday 30th January 2015
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itsybitsy said:
I have bee n told by a dealership group that depending on your previous business with said group ie how many cars you have purchased etc and if already bought some kind of gt car new improves your chances!forget lists as it is down to the dealership principal who gets cars!
So all the money people with their gt3s look set to get a car and if your not top of the list and never bought a new porsche forget it as some one below you who has spent money at said dealership gets a car!
this,it is the dealer principal who decides.

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Friday 30th January 2015
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NIgt3 said:
And the only person who comes out happy is a solictor!!
I doubt that. £20k free money sounds pretty good to me. And you could run a claim yourself on the basis of about 8 minutes work and a pleading on the back of a Tesco receipt.

People moan about being crapped on by dealerships and others but don't put themselves in a position not to be crapped on.