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All I can say is that I'm glad I snaffled a Boxster GTS while they are still putting flat sixes into the 981.1
They can spin it any way they like, even offer more torque and HP, but a turbo four is going to sound like a Golf GTI; farty, lifeless and dull, very Volkswagen/Audi. Trust me, turbo fours sound s
te. I was at the Melbourne F1 GP when they debuted the new turbo fours on the F1 cars and they sounded like drunk mosquitos; you could whisper to your mate at trackside they were so quiet.
There will never be a substitute for the naturally aspirated metallic scream and wail of a flat six at full bottle.
And you can keep your turbo lag and torque curve, no matter how they engineer it. Just don't expect the fancy tech from the 991 Turbo like the variable turbine geometry to filter down to a circa £50-60 Boxster.
I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade but the real collectables are not going to be a double bubble boot and fiddly roof, but 981's with naturally aspirated flat sixes. Grab one while you can!
They can spin it any way they like, even offer more torque and HP, but a turbo four is going to sound like a Golf GTI; farty, lifeless and dull, very Volkswagen/Audi. Trust me, turbo fours sound s
te. I was at the Melbourne F1 GP when they debuted the new turbo fours on the F1 cars and they sounded like drunk mosquitos; you could whisper to your mate at trackside they were so quiet.There will never be a substitute for the naturally aspirated metallic scream and wail of a flat six at full bottle.
And you can keep your turbo lag and torque curve, no matter how they engineer it. Just don't expect the fancy tech from the 991 Turbo like the variable turbine geometry to filter down to a circa £50-60 Boxster.
I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade but the real collectables are not going to be a double bubble boot and fiddly roof, but 981's with naturally aspirated flat sixes. Grab one while you can!
Edited by koorby on Thursday 22 January 19:14
koorby said:
I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade but the real collectables are not going to be a double bubble boot and fiddly roof, but 981's with naturally aspirated flat sixes. Grab one while you can!
Hardly! Thousands and thousands of 981s available versus a couple of hundred Spyders. I know where my money would go! bcr5784 said:
Does make the hood a dog's breakfast though. A triumph of open form (if you like it) over closed function?
Have you tried it. Clearly not as quick as sitting in the driver's seat and pressing a button but once you have done it a few times it is pretty easy and quick. Wouldn't want to do it in a thunderstorm though!!iandc said:
Have you tried it. Clearly not as quick as sitting in the driver's seat and pressing a button but once you have done it a few times it is pretty easy and quick. Wouldn't want to do it in a thunderstorm though!!
No, but this video should convince anyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny8qcnhrkBs The hood on my Elise was an abortion - and this is worse. It's loads better than a S1 Elise roof.
And about the same time to fit as the S2 long tail roof.
Only the later no tail roofs on the Elise is faster but then they lost e good looks of the long tail.
But the cars an open top concept , so no idea why the roof is an issue, I keep mine under the spare bed out the way.
Spyders one of today's modern iconic cars, it's such a cool car.
And about the same time to fit as the S2 long tail roof.
Only the later no tail roofs on the Elise is faster but then they lost e good looks of the long tail.
But the cars an open top concept , so no idea why the roof is an issue, I keep mine under the spare bed out the way.
Spyders one of today's modern iconic cars, it's such a cool car.
PorscheGT4 said:
It's loads better than a S1 Elise roof.
And about the same time to fit as the S2 long tail roof.
Only the later no tail roofs on the Elise is faster but then they lost e good looks of the long tail.
But the cars an open top concept , so no idea why the roof is an issue, I keep mine under the spare bed out the way.
Spyders one of today's modern iconic cars, it's such a cool car.
Each to his own, but to ruin the practicality of the car for the sake of a couple of non-functional humps seems bizarre to me. And about the same time to fit as the S2 long tail roof.
Only the later no tail roofs on the Elise is faster but then they lost e good looks of the long tail.
But the cars an open top concept , so no idea why the roof is an issue, I keep mine under the spare bed out the way.
Spyders one of today's modern iconic cars, it's such a cool car.
homerdog said:
Hardly! Thousands and thousands of 981s available versus a couple of hundred Spyders. I know where my money would go!
Multiple thousands of 981's for sale? Which country do you live in, because in the UK you'd be hard pressed to find more than a hundred 981.1 3.4S's on the used car market, maybe another hundred 2.7's and then it's slim pickings for the options you want. Believe it or not, the 981 is a rare car in the UK and the flat six variant 981.1 will be rarer still. In the three years I've been living in Hampshire I have only seen two 981 Boxsters and one 981 Cayman on the road apart from mine. Hardly a common car.
koorby said:
homerdog said:
Hardly! Thousands and thousands of 981s available versus a couple of hundred Spyders. I know where my money would go!
Multiple thousands of 981's for sale? Which country do you live in, because in the UK you'd be hard pressed to find more than a hundred 981.1 3.4S's on the used car market, maybe another hundred 2.7's and then it's slim pickings for the options you want. Believe it or not, the 981 is a rare car in the UK and the flat six variant 981.1 will be rarer still. In the three years I've been living in Hampshire I have only seen two 981 Boxsters and one 981 Cayman on the road apart from mine. Hardly a common car.
Just because you do not see them doesn't mean they are rare!i see plenty of 986 , 987.1 and 981 and very few 987.2!when I am at my computer I will dig out the dvla numbers!
bcr5784 said:
No, but this video should convince anyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny8qcnhrkBs The hood on my Elise was an abortion - and this is worse.
Its an instructional video. Same sort that takes 5 minutes to open the bonnet! In reality it is a doddle and, as stated, who cares? I don't think too much about the roof when I am driving mine.koorby said:
I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade but the real collectables are not going to be a double bubble boot and fiddly roof, but 981's with naturally aspirated flat sixes. Grab one while you can!
Completely delusional. 
Also the turbo Cayman sounds quite alright in my book:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEyLGnfT2Pc
The roof honestly is a really piece of piss. You would have to be a child not to be able to work it out. As soon as I picked up the car I had the roof off in a minute and back up in 2 minutes. Without sounding too much like a spyder fan boy, the whole car was designed to look its best with no roof, although the side view with the roof up does look really mega. It's a true toy which is what I love about it. It could be a dual purpose car, but sitting on motorways cruising to work isn't what this is about.
I know we live in a world of instant gratification nowadays so most people won't get it. I just turned 32 and manually operating a roof takes me back to the old days when my father and I used to play with Austin Healeys, Spitfires and the like. If there was a shower it was a race against time to get the tonneau cover removed, stowed and the hood up. When you are on a weekend blast, does it even matter if you get wet?
I know we live in a world of instant gratification nowadays so most people won't get it. I just turned 32 and manually operating a roof takes me back to the old days when my father and I used to play with Austin Healeys, Spitfires and the like. If there was a shower it was a race against time to get the tonneau cover removed, stowed and the hood up. When you are on a weekend blast, does it even matter if you get wet?
itsybitsy said:
I think you will find the 981.1 outsold the 987.2 and after the Spyder the 987.2 will be more sought after than any current 981!
Just because you do not see them doesn't mean they are rare!i see plenty of 986 , 987.1 and 981 and very few 987.2!when I am at my computer I will dig out the dvla numbers!
but first you have to wait till the 7.2 is beyond the 'just older' category and becomes collectable. Might take 15 years.Just because you do not see them doesn't mean they are rare!i see plenty of 986 , 987.1 and 981 and very few 987.2!when I am at my computer I will dig out the dvla numbers!
I don't have that long, so mine will be going when I get my next one.
jayxx83 said:
The roof honestly is a really piece of piss. You would have to be a child not to be able to work it out. As soon as I picked up the car I had the roof off in a minute and back up in 2 minutes. Without sounding too much like a spyder fan boy, the whole car was designed to look its best with no roof, although the side view with the roof up does look really mega. It's a true toy which is what I love about it. It could be a dual purpose car, but sitting on motorways cruising to work isn't what this is about.
I know we live in a world of instant gratification nowadays so most people won't get it. I just turned 32 and manually operating a roof takes me back to the old days when my father and I used to play with Austin Healeys, Spitfires and the like. If there was a shower it was a race against time to get the tonneau cover removed, stowed and the hood up. When you are on a weekend blast, does it even matter if you get wet?
Completely agree.I know we live in a world of instant gratification nowadays so most people won't get it. I just turned 32 and manually operating a roof takes me back to the old days when my father and I used to play with Austin Healeys, Spitfires and the like. If there was a shower it was a race against time to get the tonneau cover removed, stowed and the hood up. When you are on a weekend blast, does it even matter if you get wet?
The roof is easy. I'd say an Elise S1 is much more of a faff. The long tail Elise S2 roof I would rate as being the same as the spyder in terms of how long it takes.
There was an argument ages ago about how long it took to do the roof. Search boxster spyder roof on you tube and there is a basic video I put on at the time. Getting out the car, taking roof off and having it all packed away takes less than 60 seconds. It's the same putting it back on.
The humps are just there for styling having removed the weight of the roof mechanism. I personally think it transforms the look of the car to something costing several classes of sport car above.
It makes it unique also, not just a parts bin collection special.
iandc said:
Its an instructional video. Same sort that takes 5 minutes to open the bonnet! In reality it is a doddle and, as stated, who cares? I don't think too much about the roof when I am driving mine.
A similar "instructional" video an S1 Elise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou62x1L2zww suggests it takes little more than half the time to remove the roof on an S1 as a Spyder. I thought the Elise was unacceptable (as much anything it, because it was poor design) but that's me - as a designer (or a different sort) that irks me. But clearly from postings on this forum form is at least as important as function to many posters. (probably more so in this case.) My wife hates high heel shoes for similar reasons.My other half loves high heel shoes and she looks fit in them, like wise the Spyder look cool.
It,s not transport, like wise high heel shoes you don't go running in.
Normal cars like the 981 now are just transport and in fact quite dull and unexciting.
The Spyder is a toy and it fills that roll very well, as I said I don't use the roof
As a design point of view I would have thought you would have loved it, it's a very clever design that is water tight.
But as you may have found out us Spyder owner tend to drive it open top 95% of the time.
Again as a designer the high heel shoe gives a woman the perfect leg shape, so from a design point of view it's awesome.
Maybe I'll take a picture of my misses getting out my Spyder in a pair of Christian Louboutins and you might get it lol
It,s not transport, like wise high heel shoes you don't go running in.
Normal cars like the 981 now are just transport and in fact quite dull and unexciting.
The Spyder is a toy and it fills that roll very well, as I said I don't use the roof
As a design point of view I would have thought you would have loved it, it's a very clever design that is water tight.
But as you may have found out us Spyder owner tend to drive it open top 95% of the time.
Again as a designer the high heel shoe gives a woman the perfect leg shape, so from a design point of view it's awesome.
Maybe I'll take a picture of my misses getting out my Spyder in a pair of Christian Louboutins and you might get it lol
Edited by PorscheGT4 on Friday 23 January 09:30
koorby said:
Multiple thousands of 981's for sale?
You were talking about future classics. In the future there will be thousands of 981 flat 6 Boxsters to choose from, against about 200 Spyders... Sounds like you're trying to justify your own choice of car; we're all different, just enjoy what you've got!
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