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swimd said:
koorby said:
I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade but the real collectables are not going to be a double bubble boot and fiddly roof, but 981's with naturally aspirated flat sixes. Grab one while you can!
Completely delusional. 
Also the turbo Cayman sounds quite alright in my book:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEyLGnfT2Pc
itsybitsy said:
I think you will find the 981.1 outsold the 987.2 and after the Spyder the 987.2 will be more sought after than any current 981!
Just because you do not see them doesn't mean they are rare!i see plenty of 986 , 987.1 and 981 and very few 987.2!when I am at my computer I will dig out the dvla numbers!
987.2 more sought after than the 981? Haha! Who's delusional now? The 981 is infinitely better than any 987.1 or 987.2 in so many ways I don't know where to start. I passed over a 987 for a Lotus Evora which IMHO was the best car I owned until the 981.GTS. I tested the 987.2 extensively and found it lacking dynamically and the ergonomics were poor inside a cheap plasticy cabin.Just because you do not see them doesn't mean they are rare!i see plenty of 986 , 987.1 and 981 and very few 987.2!when I am at my computer I will dig out the dvla numbers!
I'm not trying to justify my purchase, each to their own and of course tastes will vary. And I don't mean to disrespect those here with 987s at all. But I do find it amusing how "revered" the Spyder is when to me it's a flawed model and an impractical marketing exercise.
But I do apologise for dragging this thread off topic, sorry.
I find "dynamically" the 987.2 a better drive, but we are all different.
we will not see which car is worth more for another 5 years, the R or the GTS, I put my money on the R still.
I still see the 981 as a A to B audi type car , even the GTS, it does nothing for me, driving one back to back with the R, the R wins hands down for a fun car.
Maybe the GT4 will change all that, but then not many people will get a chance to own one of those.
we will not see which car is worth more for another 5 years, the R or the GTS, I put my money on the R still.
I still see the 981 as a A to B audi type car , even the GTS, it does nothing for me, driving one back to back with the R, the R wins hands down for a fun car.
Maybe the GT4 will change all that, but then not many people will get a chance to own one of those.
Edited by PorscheGT4 on Friday 23 January 14:24
itsybitsy said:
For some the 993 was the last real porsche and for others like myself the 997.2 and 987.2 were the last of the real Porsches!
I agree with gt4 owner on the 981 the cs 981 Pdk. I drove I hated and I await the gt4 to maybe move me to a newer porsche
I think if they introduce turbo flat 4 engines into the 981.2 I think most will come to regard the 981.1 as the last real PorschesI agree with gt4 owner on the 981 the cs 981 Pdk. I drove I hated and I await the gt4 to maybe move me to a newer porsche
Ryder35 said:
I think if they introduce turbo flat 4 engines into the 981.2 I think most will come to regard the 981.1 as the last real Porsches
I can't see it being "most". Any more than most Ferrari owners thinking that "real" Ferraris have 12 cylinders (though probably some still do). Most people will move on and accept the new reality, unless Porsche really cock it up. (Good for most of us if they don't - it will help our secondhand values)It's not about the engines as I am sure porsche will make a great fl4 turbo but don't think for a minute they won't cock it up just look at the chocolate m96/7.but it is not just about the engine though.
It is not that a 981 is a bad car it's just more Audi /VW than Porsche the 981 even now has a Audi tt rear spoiler and the interior from a Audi saloon!and I won't get started on the exterior !i have bought new 986 then a 987.1 followed by the current 987.2 but the 981 leaves me cold so the gt4 has got to be one special car or might never buy a new porsche again!
It is not that a 981 is a bad car it's just more Audi /VW than Porsche the 981 even now has a Audi tt rear spoiler and the interior from a Audi saloon!and I won't get started on the exterior !i have bought new 986 then a 987.1 followed by the current 987.2 but the 981 leaves me cold so the gt4 has got to be one special car or might never buy a new porsche again!
itsybitsy said:
It is not that a 981 is a bad car it's just more Audi /VW than Porsche the 981 even now has a Audi tt rear spoiler and the interior from a Audi saloon!and I won't get started on the exterior !i have bought new 986 then a 987.1 followed by the current 987.2 but the 981 leaves me cold so the gt4 has got to be one special car or might never buy a new porsche again!
Not sure what Audi saloon you have in mind, but while the 981 does have a more "mainstream" interior I wouldn't have said it was particularly Audi. Porsche have adopted a common interior design across all their models both sports and SUV. I personally agree with all the roadtests which praise it for its classy LOOKS. That said I think the ergonomics leave a lot to be desired with too many switches requiring you to divert your gaze too far from the road, and that abortionate handbrake. That said, handbrake apart, I still prefer it to the 987. Both need a decent multifunction wheel as standard.On the other hand I think the 981 external appearance is definitely preferable to the 987 - in particular the way the spoiler integrates with the rear lights is a step forward.
But then aesthetics are a very personal thing - and I wouldn't allow them to sway me much in buying - it's the way it drives and functions that is all important to me. (I've owned both a Fiat Multipla and a Peugeot 309GTI in the past, - and yes I do think they are both ugly, so I have put my money where....).
itsybitsy said:
I think you will find the 981.1 outsold the 987.2 and after the Spyder the 987.2 will be more sought after than any current 981!
Just because you do not see them doesn't mean they are rare!i see plenty of 986 , 987.1 and 981 and very few 987.2!when I am at my computer I will dig out the dvla numbers!
just a quick look at the fiqures to 1st quarter 2014 shows 3 times as many 981s(c.3000) to 987.2s(c.1000)this does not include special editions ie spyder!Just because you do not see them doesn't mean they are rare!i see plenty of 986 , 987.1 and 981 and very few 987.2!when I am at my computer I will dig out the dvla numbers!
I can't see the 987 as being more sought after than a 981, any more than 996 or 997's aren't more sought after than 991's. Of course there will always be those who prefer older Porsche models versus the latest tech but global sales figures would suggest the newer models are in much higher demand.
koorby said:
I can't see the 987 as being more sought after than a 981, any more than 996 or 997's aren't more sought after than 991's. Of course there will always be those who prefer older Porsche models versus the latest tech but global sales figures would suggest the newer models are in much higher demand.
If you're talking generally I suppose not, but when you pick out special models, they always have a following no matter how good the new version may be.I would rather a 997 GTS over a base 991 C2S for example, even though the 991 is probably faster and more capable.
And as we are talking Spyders, non of the new 981 range including the GTS has even sparked an interest. Good as they are, the Spyder feels a more special car to own.
itsybitsy said:
It is not that a 981 is a bad car it's just more Audi /VW than Porsche the 981 even now has a Audi tt rear spoiler and the interior from a Audi saloon!
Are you just making stuff up now? Please let me know which Audi has the same interior because I haven't seen it. Also having had a 986 boxster, 987.1 Cayman S with full leather 987.2 Boxster and now a GTS I have to say the interior of the GTS, while not perfect, is light years ahead of any of the other Porsches I have owned.
itsybitsy said:
The 9x6 and 9x7.1( non gt or turbo cars) had a chocolate engines whereas the 9x7.2 has a vastly improved one!
Audi saloon refers to any Audi car but you could be in a saloon car rather than a sports car!
IMHO the 9x1 are just a fast Audi in the same way Lamborghini have become!
Trust me, I test drove an S3(thinking of going down to one car) before driving the GTS. They are in no way, shape or form similar. I will however concede that some of the rawness has gone from the older cars, not sure you can blame Audi for that though, just market forces and regulations.Audi saloon refers to any Audi car but you could be in a saloon car rather than a sports car!
IMHO the 9x1 are just a fast Audi in the same way Lamborghini have become!
itsybitsy said:
just down loaded the latest dvla figures to 3rd quarter 2014 and its so far good news for you manual bgts owners only 13 registered (34 pdk) and cgts 16(70pdk).
so how many of those manuals have sports suspension and ceramics?
So why is that good news? It means that manuals will be rarer - but also that correspondingly fewer people will want them. As now.so how many of those manuals have sports suspension and ceramics?
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