Boxster GTS vs Boxster S Black Edition
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An odd comparison I know - but is it ?
My local Porsche dealer called to say that they have a Boxster GTS demonstrator that they would be interested to sell as it is close to the spec I had looked at on the Porsche Configurator.
It's red with a few toys but costs EUR111k including delivery costs and taxes.
The Boxster GTS is 330bhp and 370nm of torque.
However the same dealer has a 2011 Boxster S Black Edition with 34k kilometres, sports chrono plus, PDK etc etc - for EUR49k
According to t'internet - this also has 330bhp and 370nm torque. With sports chrono plus also hits 60 in 4.9 secs but is around 20kg heavier.
Ok it's not a 981. But other than not being the latest and greatest - what am I missing ?
My local Porsche dealer called to say that they have a Boxster GTS demonstrator that they would be interested to sell as it is close to the spec I had looked at on the Porsche Configurator.
It's red with a few toys but costs EUR111k including delivery costs and taxes.
The Boxster GTS is 330bhp and 370nm of torque.
However the same dealer has a 2011 Boxster S Black Edition with 34k kilometres, sports chrono plus, PDK etc etc - for EUR49k
According to t'internet - this also has 330bhp and 370nm torque. With sports chrono plus also hits 60 in 4.9 secs but is around 20kg heavier.
Ok it's not a 981. But other than not being the latest and greatest - what am I missing ?
halfpenny43 said:
An odd comparison I know - but is it ?
Ok it's not a 981. But other than not being the latest and greatest - what am I missing ?
Losing euro 50kOk it's not a 981. But other than not being the latest and greatest - what am I missing ?
Latest and greatest is debatable I prefer the 987.2 others prefer the 981 personally buy the black edition and lose no money and upgrade to the Gts later for a lot less
Edited by itsybitsy on Friday 30th January 21:24
Black edition you get 316bhp as opposed to 306 bhp, while torque jumps a whole 7lb ft to 273lb ft.
Boxters have usually 10 hp less than the Cayman equivelent cars as the Cayman Black edition had the 330 bhp Cayman R engine.
More info on Boxster Black Edition here -
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/pors...
Boxters have usually 10 hp less than the Cayman equivelent cars as the Cayman Black edition had the 330 bhp Cayman R engine.
More info on Boxster Black Edition here -
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/pors...
halfpenny43 said:
But seriously - anyone here driven a Black Edition and a GTS ?
Going to have a look tomorrow to drive them back to back but just curious ?
Is there a big difference between the 981 and 987 ?
The 987.2 Black Edition actually has 320 hp and 370 nm, so a little less power at the very top but probably not enough to notice a difference unless you track the car a lot and even then it's not significant.Going to have a look tomorrow to drive them back to back but just curious ?
Is there a big difference between the 981 and 987 ?
I haven't driven the Black Edition and GTS back to back but I've driven a regular 987.2 Boxster S and 981 GTS.
The 981 feels much more grown up than the older version. The 981 exterior looks miles better in my eyes but I'm not 100% sure if it will age gracefully. The cabin interior quality took a very big leap forward and to me felt a bit more like a GT than a lean and basic sports car but that's a nice thing if you use the car every day.
The sports exhaust (be sure to press the button!) on the GTS is absolutely unbelievable and - together with the F-Type V6S - is one the most remarkable exhaust notes I've ever experienced without a roof over my head.
In terms of driving dynamics it seemed a wash. I preferred the 987.2 because the car felt ever so slightly more direct and nimble on the road but the 981 had the edge on the Autobahn - it just felt more stable, as if the wheelbase was a lot longer. As far as I know the two cars share the same basic engine so there's not much in it except for minor ECU differences.
My personal bottom line was that the 981 is a more grown up version while the 987.2 is a more basic version of the same concept. The 981 is clearly a nicer choice to live with as an everyday car even if its just because of the nice display in the dash, bluetooth audio streaming, etc. As a weekend-car I think that the 987.2 would deliver the same fun for less than half the price and very significantly lower depreciation.
Looking at the prices you have listed I don't think I could stomach paying more than twice the price for "25% more car" which is how it felt to me. If the 981 had a different engine with more PS/torque/displacement then I would maybe feel different but it is what it is. Also historically roasters always were pretty basic cars which is a reason why buying a "last generation" Boxster wouldn't bother me as buying a "last generation" S-Class or whatever.
I'm waiting to see what the new "top of the line" Boxster Spyder or Boxster GT4 will look like, that could be very interesting if it gets a larger 3.6 or 3.8L engine at a reasonable price point.
Can't wait to hear how your test-drive went!
Edited by swimd on Friday 30th January 22:05
GTS owners like myself will undoubtedly chime in here and praise their choice. Why not? It's such a good car that I cannot see me selling it in a hurry or even being tempted to go to a 991. I paid under £70k for mine with almost all options ticked and it performs within 10% of the 991 Carrera GTS which is £30 more if you fully load it.
It is worth double a 987? Depends on your budget and what it is you're looking for in the driving experience. I see the BGTS as a very comfortable GT car but with a few button presses and a push of the loud pedal it transforms into an aggressive and agile sport car that will never stop making you grin.
And the exhaust sounds! Oh my word ..
It is worth double a 987? Depends on your budget and what it is you're looking for in the driving experience. I see the BGTS as a very comfortable GT car but with a few button presses and a push of the loud pedal it transforms into an aggressive and agile sport car that will never stop making you grin.
And the exhaust sounds! Oh my word ..
i had a BGTS from OPC bolton for the day whilst my Spyder was in for its 4yr, very nice car but a lot of money and a big depreciation to live with. i do not like depreciation but i do like good cars, as a result i chose the Boxster Spyder, this car is showing to be a safe bet for your hard earned , a super drivers car, you wont see another on the road whilst you are out in one. there is coments about the hood but i do not see why, i came from a caterham and an atom so to me the hood is super.
just a thought to concider if you like a good buy
just a thought to concider if you like a good buy
I have driven the 981 GTS extensively on the track and the road and for me it is one of the very best cars in the Porsche range today and from a value for money point of view I could make a good argument to say it is the best one.
Having said that it will, as others have already said, depreciate the best part of half its value in a relatively short period of time, so given only these two cars to chose from, I would take the older car knowing that I probably had 75-80% of the car for half the money. Given freedom to chose amongst the Porsche used car range with that budget though i would be buying an older Turbo or GT3 and would have a heck of a lot more car for the money and probably not lose a penny on it
Having said that it will, as others have already said, depreciate the best part of half its value in a relatively short period of time, so given only these two cars to chose from, I would take the older car knowing that I probably had 75-80% of the car for half the money. Given freedom to chose amongst the Porsche used car range with that budget though i would be buying an older Turbo or GT3 and would have a heck of a lot more car for the money and probably not lose a penny on it
RBT0 said:
Considering the low amount of buid slots available, GTS will keep its value better than other Porsches.
car review said:
This limited-edition Boxster packs a lot of extra equipment at a reasonable premium. At $66,150, it costs $6600 more than a Boxster S, but it includes navigation, a premium Bose sound system, xenon headlights, and a few other odds and ends, and is several thousand dollars cheaper than an identically spec'd S. The 3.4-liter from the Boxster Spyder and Cayman S produces 320 hp at 7200 rpm, 10 hp more than the standard Boxster S.
Thats all for the input.
This is not simply another "981 vs 987" thread - but specifically a thread comparing ownership and driving capabilities of two closely spec'd cars from different model years.
Sitting in both cars yesterday, the GTS feels more modern and has that familiar dashboard layout common across all of Porsche's model range for newer cars now. I liked the dials but found the central tunnel less nice - although the switch gear is more "to hand" than in the earlier models.
The GTS was well spec'd with sports suspension in place of PASM, GTS interior, PDK, heated full electric seats etc etc.
The Black Edition was less well spec'd, did have PASM and Nav (PCM3), PDK with flappy paddles and from memory that was it. The interior felt nicer than 981.1 cars (nicer than my old 2006 Cayman at least) but not as well put together as the GTS / 987 interior I would say.
I did not drive either - unfortunately both were in the showroom and their GTS demonstrator was a Cayman. With snow on the ground I didn't want a "tip toe" test drive .
We talked about the depreciation - the Black Edition from Nov 2011 was a EUR92k car when new with the spec it had, and was for sale at EUR49k - so had a "value" of between EUR35-40k - the sales guy estimated EUR38k given their margin and "wiggle room".
So the GTS in 3 years time which is today for sale at EUR111k would have an expected value of EUR50k - so over 3 years I'm taking an EUR61k hit.
So a long story short - I passed on both cars. The Black Edition was just not special enough to get me out of my 993. And the GTS - I"m sure is a stunningly good car, quick, comfortable etc, but I'm not prepared to loose that kind of money for the privilege of owning a new GTS. - unless I move back to the UK where cars are cheaper
Yes I would love a Boxster Spyder or Cayman R - but finding one here in the Netherlands is like looking for hens teeth. I could always go the Germany and import it but would still get stung on taxes importing it.
I would also dearly love a Turbo - interesting the same dealer had a lovely 2002 996 Turbo, manual with 74k kilometers up at EUR48k - but was sold on Friday.
This is not simply another "981 vs 987" thread - but specifically a thread comparing ownership and driving capabilities of two closely spec'd cars from different model years.
Sitting in both cars yesterday, the GTS feels more modern and has that familiar dashboard layout common across all of Porsche's model range for newer cars now. I liked the dials but found the central tunnel less nice - although the switch gear is more "to hand" than in the earlier models.
The GTS was well spec'd with sports suspension in place of PASM, GTS interior, PDK, heated full electric seats etc etc.
The Black Edition was less well spec'd, did have PASM and Nav (PCM3), PDK with flappy paddles and from memory that was it. The interior felt nicer than 981.1 cars (nicer than my old 2006 Cayman at least) but not as well put together as the GTS / 987 interior I would say.
I did not drive either - unfortunately both were in the showroom and their GTS demonstrator was a Cayman. With snow on the ground I didn't want a "tip toe" test drive .
We talked about the depreciation - the Black Edition from Nov 2011 was a EUR92k car when new with the spec it had, and was for sale at EUR49k - so had a "value" of between EUR35-40k - the sales guy estimated EUR38k given their margin and "wiggle room".
So the GTS in 3 years time which is today for sale at EUR111k would have an expected value of EUR50k - so over 3 years I'm taking an EUR61k hit.
So a long story short - I passed on both cars. The Black Edition was just not special enough to get me out of my 993. And the GTS - I"m sure is a stunningly good car, quick, comfortable etc, but I'm not prepared to loose that kind of money for the privilege of owning a new GTS. - unless I move back to the UK where cars are cheaper
Yes I would love a Boxster Spyder or Cayman R - but finding one here in the Netherlands is like looking for hens teeth. I could always go the Germany and import it but would still get stung on taxes importing it.
I would also dearly love a Turbo - interesting the same dealer had a lovely 2002 996 Turbo, manual with 74k kilometers up at EUR48k - but was sold on Friday.
KMF said:
i had a BGTS from OPC bolton for the day whilst my Spyder was in for its 4yr, very nice car but a lot of money and a big depreciation to live with. i do not like depreciation but i do like good cars, as a result i chose the Boxster Spyder, this car is showing to be a safe bet for your hard earned , a super drivers car, you wont see another on the road whilst you are out in one. there is coments about the hood but i do not see why, i came from a caterham and an atom so to me the hood is super.
just a thought to concider if you like a good buy
+1 just a thought to concider if you like a good buy
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