GT4 buyers thread

[cc3]

shaunRS said:

Scooty100 said:

Apparently 'it doesn't work that way' Farking does for everyone else!

I think they are correct - I understand that the depositor list is now vetted for speculators / "multi depositers" by Porsche UK. Then it's down to the dealer principle, once they know their allocation to choose who gets the cars. They may decide to give preference to customers who have bought new cars from them before, or who are locally based so there is a likelyhood of repeat business... just need to wait and see, hence i'm resisting the configurator for now.

When the dealer puts your order on the system they get a commission number. This doesn't yet confirm specification or build date or a guarantee they will honour the order. As mentioned Porsche will review to try to weed out speculators also they will audit dealers to ensure fair play.

So first step is to get a commission number.

[miskalachi]

Cancelled my GTS for this motor the second it launched and put my 5k down with the dealer principal at 8am Wed. Order form went in yesterday.

Spec wise, I'm going for;

White (not too sure on solid or metallic) or Jet Black
Leather Interior Pack (silver)
Smoking pack
Black spoiler wings
Carbon interior pack
Porsche Crest on armrest
PCM +sound pack plus
Phone
Fuel tank

And maybe red belts...

Not sure whether to go with Buckets or leather pack, definitely want PCM and want to keep it just under 70k, so it's a toss between leather pack or buckets, what do you think guys?

[m33ufo]

I think the 918 seats are a no brainer. Although I'd personally be dumping the PCM and going with the leather.

Or, if you really want the PCM, ditch the carbon pack and Porsche crests for the leather?

[SFO]

J12KJR said:

SFO said:

AdamV12V said:

J12KJR said:

AdamV12V said:

Its a shame that it isn't actually a clock that could tell the time - it would at least be partially useful. Wouldn't spec it on mine...

The one on the Cayman S is a basic clock as well so doesn't look so stupid.

Ahh, fair enough then, but I still wouldn't spec it. Would rather put the £1100 towards a nice wrist watch!

agree, Sport Chrono is a rip off

Would have to agree with the rip off bit, I have read that it can be retrofitted for about £700 without the wart but to be hones for the fitting of a switch and a change to some software that still seems a lot.

thing to note is that Sport Chrono does not offer any ablity to change any performance or handling characteristic. It's a built in stop watch with some tricks for the playstation generation

[lemmingjames]

shaunRS said:

I think they are correct - I understand that the depositor list is now vetted for speculators / "multi depositers" by Porsche UK. Then it's down to the dealer principle, once they know their allocation to choose who gets the cars. They may decide to give preference to customers who have bought new cars from them before, or who are locally based so there is a likelyhood of repeat business... just need to wait and see, hence i'm resisting the configurator for now.

They should check this thread as half the 'buyers' seem to be speculators and i know people only interested in buying one having seen the [rice rise of the 991 GT3 in the 2nd hand market

[J12KJR]

SFO said:

thing to note is that Sport Chrono does not offer any ablity to change any performance or handling characteristic. It's a built in stop watch with some tricks for the playstation generation

Not that any of us can probably notice 0.2 of a second but the figures for the Cayman S to 62 are quoted as quicker with sport chrono on PDK than without so there must be some difference.

[SFO]

J12KJR said:

SFO said:

thing to note is that Sport Chrono does not offer any ablity to change any performance or handling characteristic. It's a built in stop watch with some tricks for the playstation generation

Not that any of us can probably notice 0.2 of a second but the figures for the Cayman S to 62 are quoted as quicker with sport chrono on PDK than without so there must be some difference.

true, but no PDK on GT4 ..

[stewy49]

Probably get loads of flack for this but the debate between GT3 and GT4 seems to be revolving a bit around their merits as trackday cars. But my understanding is that the GT3 was always basically marketed and should be seen as a truly fantastic road car that could also be used competently on track whereas if you wanted a track-based car that could be used on the road you went for a GT3RS (rather like the difference between a Caterham Roadsport and Superlight). My 996GT3 clubsport is fantastic as a road car and would no doubt acquit itself well on track (even in my hands!). So we should be judging and comparing the GT4 as a road car first and foremost so looking at usable power, handling, day to day usability etc: Think it will be fantastic and possibly an RS version at end of year.
Just my thoughts!

[J12KJR]

SFO said:

true, but no PDK on GT4 ..

Fair point, so that is £1100 for a stop watch!!!!!!

[isaldiri]

lemmingjames said:

shaunRS said:

I think they are correct - I understand that the depositor list is now vetted for speculators / "multi depositers" by Porsche UK. Then it's down to the dealer principle, once they know their allocation to choose who gets the cars. They may decide to give preference to customers who have bought new cars from them before, or who are locally based so there is a likelyhood of repeat business... just need to wait and see, hence i'm resisting the configurator for now.

They should check this thread as half the 'buyers' seem to be speculators and i know people only interested in buying one having seen the [rice rise of the 991 GT3 in the 2nd hand market

The OPCs/PGB if anything are even happier to have speculators I reckon than really making any effort to weed them out. Just as with Ferrari, speculators driving up prices of used cars on low-ish allocations actively helps them rather hinders them.

There seems to be a huge amount of interest on this car but without the large rises in prices of all the GT cars over the last few years I think there would be a heck of a lot less....

[stewy49]

It's all about the difference between thinking from a dealer/business mindset and an enthusiast's mindset.

[bcr5784]

J12KJR said:

Not that any of us can probably notice 0.2 of a second but the figures for the Cayman S to 62 are quoted as quicker with sport chrono on PDK than without so there must be some difference.

On the S with PDK you get launch control, even faster gearchanges in Sport + which explains the faster acceleration. In addition you get dynamic engine mounts which are not standard on the S. On the GT4 dynamic engine mounts are standard, so as others have said chrono on the (manual) GT4 is a very expensive lap timer.

[av185]

Scooty100 said:

av185 said:

This is correct.......to a degree it doesn't matter where you are on the list of depositors......it is the DP who decides.....I secured a 991 GT3 ten months after the order books opened on the basis of regular repeat business from an OPC 120 miles away with no previous buying history from them btw.......

Sorry bit lost here . Regular repeat business but no previous buying history from them?

ETA......regular future repeat business. My original OPC could not guarantee me a car.

[av185]

stewy49 said:

Probably get loads of flack for this but the debate between GT3 and GT4 seems to be revolving a bit around their merits as trackday cars. But my understanding is that the GT3 was always basically marketed and should be seen as a truly fantastic road car that could also be used competently on track whereas if you wanted a track-based car that could be used on the road you went for a GT3RS (rather like the difference between a Caterham Roadsport and Superlight). My 996GT3 clubsport is fantastic as a road car and would no doubt acquit itself well on track (even in my hands!). So we should be judging and comparing the GT4 as a road car first and foremost so looking at usable power, handling, day to day usability etc: Think it will be fantastic and possibly an RS version at end of year.
Just my thoughts!

My 991 GT3 will never see a track......nor will my GT4. Both perfect road cars (if temp over 7 degrees allowing some tyre grip!) offering daily usability......

[apachesmith]

I've had an LOI with my dealer for 12 months and my deposit is down, however I'm still not guaranteed a car as the allocations haven't been issued yet. Porsche are using the next few weeks to gage the demand from around the world then will allocate depending on the qualified demand (deposits) if we have more than other countries then they will allocate more of the build capacity to our OPC's. So the advice from my dealer was pay your deposit spec the car and then wait to find out the allocation numbers, it will then be a case of waiting to hear if you have been selected by the OPC as one of their allotted number, LOI (date lodged first) will be given preference over others then it's first come first served for the remaining numbers if any are left! If you're not lucky enough to get a spot then your deposit is fully refundable!

Edited by apachesmith on Saturday 7th February 07:55

[nsm3]

av185 said:

My 991 GT3 will never see a track......nor will my GT4. Both perfect road cars (if temp over 7 degrees allowing some tyre grip!) offering daily usability......

Dont get too hung up on that 7 degC business. My car is used regardless and to date this year has seen -2 a couple of times (OE tyres). I am finding that the grip really only noticeably fades away at below 4 degC (on the dash) and even then, the Cayman is so well balanced, with all the aids on, it soon sorts itself out, providing you use your noggin of course.

[Dr S]

Inverted said:

I wouldnt spec without clubsport however in my mind its easier to justify the money for the clubsport than it is for over 1k for an app and clock on the dash ill never use. Is that really all the sports chrono is?

Ive got the wart clock on the dash of my 997 RS and i can honestly say the only time its been touched is if someone asks why ive got a stupid looking clock stuck to the dash.

Fully agree on the wart. Did not spec it on my 7.2 GT3. Bought the 7.2 RS used, so have to live with the thing (only downside of the car though). Who in his right mind would use such a stupid clock to time laps on the circuit?

[marlie]

Anyone gone for the xenons option? Apparently comes standard with xenons. Any difference in the light design?

[mc_blue]

Are they all sold?

[BubblesNW]

Been to my OPC this morning. All very confusing at the moment, they are trying to get as many deposits as possible to increase their total group allocation. I'm 5th on the list which they hope will secure a car in the first batch.

They don't know if there will be a second batch, GT4 with PDK or GT4RS.

Spec wise I have gone fairly conservative, list is lower than my 987.2 which was >£72k in 2010.

Porsche code PGGET2V3 - any suggestions or opinions are welcome - as long as they're constructive

Also had a quick spin in a Boxster GTS to see if there were improvements over the 981 Cayman S which I found very disappointing when it was launched. I know there are differences between a Cayman GTS and a Boxster GTS but they are closer than a Cayman S and a Cayman GTS - and they didn't have a Cayman GTS on site.

The answer was a resounding 'YES' - the sound is really good, better than a Jag F-Type V6S which I found very artificial and the handling was much sharper. Now the negative, and it's a big one. Although the GTS steering is better than that of a 981S it is a million miles away from my 987. I really hope the GT4 is a night and day improvement over the GTS or it could really be a problem for me.

Edited by BubblesNW on Saturday 7th February 15:25