981 Spyder - Speculation
Discussion
Johnthepotter said:
That would be disappointing but as the Cayman and Boxster are made at different factories I don't see production capacity as an issue which will affect Spyder. I would also be surprised if Porsche launched a special edition at the start of a new model run - interest in the new models would normally be high enough and would not need this form of additional marketing support.
Didn't realise that - where are they made then? It seems very likely from the Rohrl interview above, and I can't believe that Walter didn't have the OK to make these comments, that the differentiator between Boxster/Cayman and 911 will be four to six cylinders, which has a nice symmetry to it. Once again the 911 will be at an unassailably higher level than the smaller models. Somewhere it needs to be if the average cost is going to be 100k. Will it be possible to drop the Carrera engine into the B/C for special editions? I would guess not. Ruf might be able to do it.
Correct me if I am mistaken. We are about to have the mid term facelift on the 991/981 series. The new engines are going to go into the next generation (990?) not the facelift. Are they not pushing their luck a bit talking them up now?
To get back to the topic, does anyone know definitively what the configuration of the Spyder will be? Will it have speed humps, will it have the low cut windscreen, and will it be intended as a California style 'get your umbrella out if it starts raining' roadster?
Tell you what, if you configure a 911 GTS in any format it is eyewateringly expensive, way over 100k. Is it really a good idea to have 911 derivatives at such rarified prices? I always thought that the idea was that there wasn't a colossal step up from the top Boxster/Cayman, to the basic 911.
Edited by cardigankid on Sunday 29th March 09:05
cardigankid said:
Correct me if I am mistaken. We are about to have the mid term facelift on the 991/981 series. The new engines are going to go into the next generation (990?) not the facelift.
The new turbo 4 and 6 engines are of course going to arrive with the facelift this year. What makes you think otherwise?Current and future hothatches are already faster than basic Porsches in a straight line for a fraction of a price. Yes, Porsches were never about straight line performance but when a cooking Golf R can sort of keep up with a 911 that costs twice the price, one starts to wonder.
The turbo engines will offer more usable torque for the average driver and lower fuel consumption, which is also overdue as Porsche sales are starting to slump in some countries due to extreme import taxes based on fuel consumption. What I'm trying to say is that the new engines are long overdue.
I doubt they will sound as good as the current engines but since the EU will ban valved exhausts in 2016, all cars will be limited to a maximum of 71dB under any condition, so sound won't really matter anymore.
To get back to the topic. If the Boxster Spyder is announced on Wednesday, it'll either have a 3.4 manual/PDK or a 3.8 manual only. I think the latter is more likely. It'll have the humps but I am not sure what they are going to do with the roof. The thing I'm most interested in is the weight.
EricE said:
The new turbo 4 and 6 engines are of course going to arrive with the facelift this year. What makes you think otherwise?
Current and future hothatches are already faster than basic Porsches in a straight line for a fraction of a price. Yes, Porsches were never about straight line performance but when a cooking Golf R can sort of keep up with a 911 that costs twice the price, one starts to wonder.
The turbo engines will offer more usable torque for the average driver and lower fuel consumption, which is also overdue as Porsche sales are starting to slump in some countries due to extreme import taxes based on fuel consumption. What I'm trying to say is that the new engines are long overdue.
I doubt they will sound as good as the current engines but since the EU will ban valved exhausts in 2016, all cars will be limited to a maximum of 71dB under any condition, so sound won't really matter anymore.
To get back to the topic. If the Boxster Spyder is announced on Wednesday, it'll either have a 3.4 manual/PDK or a 3.8 manual only. I think the latter is more likely. It'll have the humps but I am not sure what they are going to do with the roof. The thing I'm most interested in is the weight.
To go back off topic again for a moment, I assumed that engine changes of that scale are so significant that they would come with the new model. I assumed that when they happen, all Boxster/Cayman units would be four cylinder to distinguish them from the 911. I have a Boxster GTS coming in September ie MY16. I trust it is coming with the 3.4 litre flat six as advertised because if it isn't they are giving me my deposit back. No way am I accepting a turbo four.Current and future hothatches are already faster than basic Porsches in a straight line for a fraction of a price. Yes, Porsches were never about straight line performance but when a cooking Golf R can sort of keep up with a 911 that costs twice the price, one starts to wonder.
The turbo engines will offer more usable torque for the average driver and lower fuel consumption, which is also overdue as Porsche sales are starting to slump in some countries due to extreme import taxes based on fuel consumption. What I'm trying to say is that the new engines are long overdue.
I doubt they will sound as good as the current engines but since the EU will ban valved exhausts in 2016, all cars will be limited to a maximum of 71dB under any condition, so sound won't really matter anymore.
To get back to the topic. If the Boxster Spyder is announced on Wednesday, it'll either have a 3.4 manual/PDK or a 3.8 manual only. I think the latter is more likely. It'll have the humps but I am not sure what they are going to do with the roof. The thing I'm most interested in is the weight.
The following is from Bloomberg Business re New York Motor Show opening on 1 april:-
One Last Secret ...
Finally, Porsche will show for the first time a still-secret roadster it is describing as “radically high-performance.” So good they can’t even give us a teaser photo? Here’s hoping.
Can only be Spyder surely?
One Last Secret ...
Finally, Porsche will show for the first time a still-secret roadster it is describing as “radically high-performance.” So good they can’t even give us a teaser photo? Here’s hoping.
Can only be Spyder surely?
Edited by Johnthepotter on Monday 30th March 20:10
I was told by OPC last week that they are expecting about 150 cars. Not sure if that is 2015 only or 2015/16. So that would be around 3 or 4 cars per dealer I think. Given that "my OPC" already has at least a dozen LOI's, there will be a lot of disappointment I think (thankfully, I'm number 2!!)
Johnthepotter said:
The following is from Bloomberg Business re New York Motor Show opening on 1 april:-
One Last Secret ...
Finally, Porsche will show for the first time a still-secret roadster it is describing as “radically high-performance.” So good they can’t even give us a teaser photo? Here’s hoping.
Can only be Spyder surely?
Sounds good but the only issue I have is I don't want a Boy Scout roof. I was tempted to place a deposit on this today, just in case.One Last Secret ...
Finally, Porsche will show for the first time a still-secret roadster it is describing as “radically high-performance.” So good they can’t even give us a teaser photo? Here’s hoping.
Can only be Spyder surely?
Edited by Johnthepotter on Monday 30th March 20:10
cardigankid said:
As I understand it, the Porsche model year changes during the annual factory shutdown which is in the last two weeks in July. Therefore, cars produced in August should be MY16, no?
Model years use to start in September after shut down but for some years now as started a lot earlier and some cases when a facelift or new model is introduced can be as early as March.My Spyder was one of the very last to be built end of June 2011 and was given a 2012 model year VIN
2010spy said:
I'm number two at my dealership, so here's hoping...
Did you follow the GT4 farce? If so you'll realise your position on the LOI list is irrelevant. I'm number one at my OPC and I can't get them to confirm their intentions on how they will allocate. I've even offered them my 987 Spyder to sell and they just won't commit.I'm therefore likely to stick with what I've got (which I'm delighted with), it's a real business trying to do pleasure with them!!
I have paid a deposit and got written confirmation that I am number two. I'm kinda hoping that's a legal obligation to deliver their second car to me?
DAWRacing said:
Did you follow the GT4 farce? If so you'll realise your position on the LOI list is irrelevant. I'm number one at my OPC and I can't get them to confirm their intentions on how they will allocate. I've even offered them my 987 Spyder to sell and they just won't commit.
I'm therefore likely to stick with what I've got (which I'm delighted with), it's a real business trying to do pleasure with them!!
I'm therefore likely to stick with what I've got (which I'm delighted with), it's a real business trying to do pleasure with them!!
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