BGTS exhaust getting louder
Discussion
bcr5784 said:
We'll just have to differ - as my wife will tell you, I haven't got a nostalgic bone in my body. I just associate the noise with poor engineering (difficult to avoid then with carburettors and high overlap cams
but unnecessary now). I try to avoid farting in public too.
Before you know it Porsche will be piping the noise of a six cylinder engine through their sound system when they go to turbo 4s - it's a slippery slope.....
Listen my friend, people carrier for sir?but unnecessary now). I try to avoid farting in public too.
Before you know it Porsche will be piping the noise of a six cylinder engine through their sound system when they go to turbo 4s - it's a slippery slope.....
Edited by bcr5784 on Tuesday 3rd March 15:46
dreamcar said:
Little point in you buying a Boxster or Cayman GTS then - you wouldn't appreciate it as it would be far too uncouth for you. As for me I think it's one of the finest sounding modern cars out there. Sports cars aren't supposed to sound like muffled vacuum cleaners.
Nonsense, I like the sound of the car - just don't like pops and bangs on the overrun which come with the sports exhaust- yes it is far too uncouth for my taste, if you like. So I haven't got one on my S, and personally wouldn't spec one. But each to his own. Edited by dreamcar on Tuesday 3rd March 16:07
The exhaust note wasn't, in any case, a significant factor in MY purchase. For me a nice (cultured) exhaust is very pleasant to have, and is a part of the sophisticated feel of the car - but I'm far more into the handling and ride than exhaust note. Let me put it another way I'd trade a less pleasant exhaust note for more steering feel any day - if that trade was to be had.
dreamcar said:
A throwback to the 1960'e era of "proper" sports cars I guess.... make the most of it, with ever tightening emission regulations soon all cars will be turbocharged and wonderful sounding exhausts such as the Boxster / Cayman GTS will be but a distant memory on new cars.
you get the pops and bangs in the turbo 4 A45Ok so you would not buy a GT3 I guess.
I think we are talking about different cars/sounds for different people.
Best exhaust sound value for money is here.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2MkpTyMNV8E
I think we are talking about different cars/sounds for different people.
Best exhaust sound value for money is here.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2MkpTyMNV8E
Trotmant said:
Maybe we should change this thread into where is the best tunnel?
Munt La Schera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munt_la_Schera_Tunnel), hands down for me 
. Only one car wide, sound bounces around like you would not believe. I think Top Gear used that once too? Was following a 997GT3 last summer, and a number of other great sounding cars, all queued up to file in one by one, and then making the most of the tunnel. I have never heard anything like it, and never grinned so much in my life, my face ached... a lot.
Can't wait to get back to that particular tunnel again this summer in the CGTS.
koorby said:
Anyone here who has a BGTS notice that the PSE gets MUCH louder from about 1,900 miles onwards?
I had not driven the car for a week due to a business trip but when I took it for a run it was very clear to me the PSE was very much louder in 'Sport' mode (which is always on when I drive).
Not complaining, I am a very happy camper indeed
Same here, seems like it's improving, and Sport+ sounds better again (sharp lift off in first gear is insane I had not driven the car for a week due to a business trip but when I took it for a run it was very clear to me the PSE was very much louder in 'Sport' mode (which is always on when I drive).
Not complaining, I am a very happy camper indeed
, hard not to drive in that mode 100% - but even less TC and no 7th gear means I tend to stick with Sport most of the time, got a nice surprise when I put it in Sport+ after a while of not using it, the differences sounded more pronounced than they did before.Shame they couldn't make it sound like that in all driving modes as one still has the PSE button to quieten it all down, but I guess some of it is as a result of the other things the driving mode is doing.
Unfortunately I don't appreciate a lot of difference between sport and s+ in a sporty but not too much ride, i.e. not in a track.
Throttle is almost identical, steering identical (should it change, it is epas), exhaust a little bit more crackling, but really I was expecting more and more differences.
Yes S+ is definitely louder, but I can drive in S without noticing it.
Throttle is almost identical, steering identical (should it change, it is epas), exhaust a little bit more crackling, but really I was expecting more and more differences.
Yes S+ is definitely louder, but I can drive in S without noticing it.
RBT0 said:
Ok so you would not buy a GT3 I guess.
I think we are talking about different cars/sounds for different people.
Best exhaust sound value for money is here.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2MkpTyMNV8E
Yes and no. I haven't driven a GT3 of any variety (my son has driven loads) but from what I have read and what he says... I wouldn't want one on the road - too track focused, or on the track - not focused enough. In any case on the track I'd much prefer to drive a car that I wasn't in fear of doing expensive gravel rash or wiping off the splitter. I think we are talking about different cars/sounds for different people.
Best exhaust sound value for money is here.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2MkpTyMNV8E
Re exhaust noise - Aston V12, and for looks Aston too, but since they aren't my top priorities I'll probably never have one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xafMbuii7U8
iam fitting this exhaust to my cayman s, i think it sounds good lol
iam fitting this exhaust to my cayman s, i think it sounds good lol
A downside to the popping/farting/banging is the amount of soot that appears on the tailpipes. This is my 3rd Porsche with PSE and it is by far the worst for sooting, so much so, that at 7k miles and during winter, with all the salty crud about, I have to use a Dremel to polish the stuff off 
nsm3 said:
A downside to the popping/farting/banging is the amount of soot that appears on the tailpipes. This is my 3rd Porsche with PSE and it is by far the worst for sooting, so much so, that at 7k miles and during winter, with all the salty crud about, I have to use a Dremel to polish the stuff off
Buggering about with the engine/exhaust, in effect, to make it malfunction doesn't seem like a good idea to me, and it's hardly surprising if it has undesirable side effects. 
nsm3 said:
A downside to the popping/farting/banging is the amount of soot that appears on the tailpipes. This is my 3rd Porsche with PSE and it is by far the worst for sooting, so much so, that at 7k miles and during winter, with all the salty crud about, I have to use a Dremel to polish the stuff off
That's why I have black exhaust pipes where you can't see any buildup.bcr5784 said:
Buggering about with the engine/exhaust, in effect, to make it malfunction doesn't seem like a good idea to me, and it's hardly surprising if it has undesirable side effects.
I think we are getting the idea that you don't like the GTS exhaust characteristics - but I think you need to accept that you are in a minority.koorby said:
nsm3 said:
A downside to the popping/farting/banging is the amount of soot that appears on the tailpipes. This is my 3rd Porsche with PSE and it is by far the worst for sooting, so much so, that at 7k miles and during winter, with all the salty crud about, I have to use a Dremel to polish the stuff off
That's why I have black exhaust pipes where you can't see any buildup.dreamcar said:
I think we are getting the idea that you don't like the GTS exhaust characteristics - but I think you need to accept that you are in a minority.
You're probably right about being in a minority. But it's not GTS as such its PSE. It is, in engineering terms, an abortion, and I don't like abortionate engineering to produce an effect which is a malfunction.My old Caterham 7 HPC (2.0l VX) on Carbs sounded pretty good. Lots of popping on downshifts and the occasional foot long flame (no kidding)!
The Hatfield Tunnel is pretty good as it's easy to do in both directions as it has exits with roundabouts after the tunnel exit in each direction.
The Hatfield Tunnel is pretty good as it's easy to do in both directions as it has exits with roundabouts after the tunnel exit in each direction.
bcr5784 said:
You're probably right about being in a minority. But it's not GTS as such its PSE. It is, in engineering terms, an abortion, and I don't like abortionate engineering to produce an effect which is a malfunction.
You say it's "an abortion" but it's what the majority - including me - like. So it's not an abortion at all, it's an engineered in characteristic that the market clearly wants. And I speak as an engineer, albeit not an automotive one.dreamcar said:
You say it's "an abortion" but it's what the majority - including me - like. So it's not an abortion at all, it's an engineered in characteristic that the market clearly wants. And I speak as an engineer, albeit not an automotive one.
Porsche spend millions on making their engines as efficient as possible, extracting as many miles and horses out of each drop of petrol. They even have stop-start in traffic and a coast function on PDK. Then people say I'd like it to pop bang and fart like engines did in the (good?) old days. SO they say OK we'll pour neat petrol into the exhaust manifold where it will ignite and make some fruity noises - and let efficiency go hang. If that's not bizarre and abortionate, I don't know what is.
Frankly, although I'm against synthesised noises in cars, it would be far more preferable to create the effect via the sound system if that's what people really want.
bcr5784 said:
dreamcar said:
You say it's "an abortion" but it's what the majority - including me - like. So it's not an abortion at all, it's an engineered in characteristic that the market clearly wants. And I speak as an engineer, albeit not an automotive one.
Porsche spend millions on making their engines as efficient as possible, extracting as many miles and horses out of each drop of petrol. They even have stop-start in traffic and a coast function on PDK. Then people say I'd like it to pop bang and fart like engines did in the (good?) old days. SO they say OK we'll pour neat petrol into the exhaust manifold where it will ignite and make some fruity noises - and let efficiency go hang. If that's not bizarre and abortionate, I don't know what is.
Frankly, although I'm against synthesised noises in cars, it would be far more preferable to create the effect via the sound system if that's what people really want.
Trotmant said:
If Porsche were to ever synthesised noises in GTS or GT cars I would never buy one, I cant think of anything worse. Its like buying a Cayman 2.7, you only do that because you can't afford a 3.4 or GTS varient, otherwise why are you buying a porsche? There are better looking cars (in some peoples eyes), more pratical ones, ride better, more MPG etc...Porsches are sports cars and as such should sound like one, plus go like one. I would never drive a porsche and worry about the MPG. You only have to look at how BMW have completely ruinned the M3, by not only confusing people with an M4 badge but pumping exhaust notes into the cabin, its lame. May as well play the playstation vs. go for a drive on the sunday. I do worry about future of non 911's going to pot 4 turbos and all this synthesised nonsense appearing in Caymans and boxsters.
100% with you. A sports car has to sound like a sports car. No immediate worries about 911 going flat four though as Porsche have said categorically that "a 911 has six cylinders". What it will sound like as a turbo six remains to be seen, certainly current turbo / turbo S sound is not very inspiring compared with the lower powered NA cars. The latest BMW M3 / M4 turbo six sound awful, just a boring and totally uninspiring drone. Kills any appeal the car has for me, even if it is economical and green (for its power).Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff