BGTS exhaust getting louder
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dreamcar said:
100% with you. A sports car has to sound like a sports car.
Agreed - just not necessarily a 1950s one. You can apply the same argument to looks - if that's your bag you could buy a Morgan. But you would doubtless argue that would be silly - times move on, cars improve, the design problems of the past have been resolved.....dreamcar said:
Trotmant said:
If Porsche were to ever synthesised noises in GTS or GT cars I would never buy one, I cant think of anything worse. Its like buying a Cayman 2.7, you only do that because you can't afford a 3.4 or GTS varient, otherwise why are you buying a porsche? There are better looking cars (in some peoples eyes), more pratical ones, ride better, more MPG etc...Porsches are sports cars and as such should sound like one, plus go like one. I would never drive a porsche and worry about the MPG. You only have to look at how BMW have completely ruinned the M3, by not only confusing people with an M4 badge but pumping exhaust notes into the cabin, its lame. May as well play the playstation vs. go for a drive on the sunday. I do worry about future of non 911's going to pot 4 turbos and all this synthesised nonsense appearing in Caymans and boxsters.
100% with you. A sports car has to sound like a sports car. No immediate worries about 911 going flat four though as Porsche have said categorically that "a 911 has six cylinders". What it will sound like as a turbo six remains to be seen, certainly current turbo / turbo S sound is not very inspiring compared with the lower powered NA cars. The latest BMW M3 / M4 turbo six sound awful, just a boring and totally uninspiring drone. Kills any appeal the car has for me, even if it is economical and green (for its power).anonymous said:
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Agree some what. My Gen 1 3.4 Cayman had a lovely note, I would go as far as to say I enjoyed it more as a daily drive also, given that the steering feel was better etc... but at the same time its a different beast to the GTS, the GTS feels current and very fast and accomplished at that, more 'planted' when on it....and when you push on, the car is breathtaking in comparison to a Gen1. So imo I think the GTS suites the PSE. If it’s not to taste you disengage the PSE and you have a very normal note. However the child in me just loves recalling my modified days of my miss guided youth, in saxos a like before I had real job.
Trotmant said:
You may have miss read - 'I do worry about future of non 911's'. I'm sure they will protect the 911's. One of the boys in my work has a brand new m4. My GTS owns him hard in terms of noise and tbh we had a blast up a b road from the lights and was behind me after 12 seconds, which I found intresting and unexpected (I do have PDK mind)
I stand corrected!! The problem with the M3 / M4 - apart from the sound - is the weight, despite the major on paper power advantage the car is far too heavy. I may be wide of the mark here as I don't have the figures to hand but I believe the BMW is around 200kg heavier than the Porsche.dreamcar said:
I may be wide of the mark here as I don't have the figures to hand but I believe the BMW is around 200kg heavier than the Porsche.
I'm not a M3/4 fan boy so wouldn't know, all I knew was he had more brake and simlied hard when I got infront off the lights and thats where I stayed.bcr5784 said:
Porsche spend millions on making their engines as efficient as possible, extracting as many miles and horses out of each drop of petrol. They even have stop-start in traffic and a coast function on PDK.
Then people say I'd like it to pop bang and fart like engines did in the (good?) old days. SO they say OK we'll pour neat petrol into the exhaust manifold where it will ignite and make some fruity noises - and let efficiency go hang. If that's not bizarre and abortionate, I don't know what is.
Frankly, although I'm against synthesised noises in cars, it would be far more preferable to create the effect via the sound system if that's what people really want.
You're wrong. No extra fuel burnt in normal mode. 190g/km with pdk.Then people say I'd like it to pop bang and fart like engines did in the (good?) old days. SO they say OK we'll pour neat petrol into the exhaust manifold where it will ignite and make some fruity noises - and let efficiency go hang. If that's not bizarre and abortionate, I don't know what is.
Frankly, although I'm against synthesised noises in cars, it would be far more preferable to create the effect via the sound system if that's what people really want.
Go trolling elsewhere please.
Well count me in as loving the "abortion" that produces the pops, farts and bangs!
The noise that the GTS made was the number one (read: singularly most important) thing that made me buy it over about four other cars in contention at the £70k mark.
Seems to me that those flakey Porsche engineers creating all those pops, farts and bangs helped another person like me become a first-time customer.
And perhaps conspiracists think that EVO magazine must have been paid by Porsche to call the GTS the "worlds best exhaust sound".
As someone else said, if you don't like it then there is a magic button to disable PSE and make the car sound like a Golf GTI if that's your cup of tea
And the "purists" lamenting the wail of a flat six should buy a low-spec 2.7 without PSE and just thrash the bejesus out of it. Certainly before they only sell flat-fours. Get in quick!
The noise that the GTS made was the number one (read: singularly most important) thing that made me buy it over about four other cars in contention at the £70k mark.
Seems to me that those flakey Porsche engineers creating all those pops, farts and bangs helped another person like me become a first-time customer.
And perhaps conspiracists think that EVO magazine must have been paid by Porsche to call the GTS the "worlds best exhaust sound".
As someone else said, if you don't like it then there is a magic button to disable PSE and make the car sound like a Golf GTI if that's your cup of tea
And the "purists" lamenting the wail of a flat six should buy a low-spec 2.7 without PSE and just thrash the bejesus out of it. Certainly before they only sell flat-fours. Get in quick!
Edited by koorby on Wednesday 4th March 17:28
bcr5784 said:
I wasn't talking about Normal mode. Read what I wrote. And then, preferably, apologise. No point in having PSE unless you use fart mode.
Is it any wonder contributors to this thread are losing patience with you. The OP started this thread enthusing about the sounds the PSE makes and you come along making derisory comments purely because YOU don't happen to like the sound. Just because you don't happen to approve doesn't make it "badly engineered", wrong, inefficient or any of the other derisory comments you have made such as calling the PSE on "fart mode". Edited by dreamcar on Wednesday 4th March 17:58
RBT0 said:
I am referring to your statement about abortion and fuel economy. It is not the case.
Yes but you are completely missing the point. It is the pops bangs and farts that we (ie everyone but you) are talking about in Sport mode. Porsche don't quote a separate figure for sport mode. The point I am making is that Porsche go to great lengths to get economy (in normal mode)- and then people press the sport button and throw some of it away.Now by all means disagree with me - but please keep it civil like everyone else has.
bcr5784 said:
Yes but you are completely missing the point. It is the pops bangs and farts that we (ie everyone but you) are talking about in Sport mode. Porsche don't quote a separate figure for sport mode. The point I am making is that Porsche go to great lengths to get economy (in normal mode)- and then people press the sport button and throw some of it away.
Now by all means disagree with me - but please keep it civil like everyone else has.
so porsche have given you a button to have that choice, so what are you complaining about? if u don't like it press the button!Now by all means disagree with me - but please keep it civil like everyone else has.
dreamcar said:
Is it any wonder contributors to this thread are losing patience with you. The OP started this thread enthusing about the sounds the PSE makes and you come along making derisory comments purely because YOU don't happen to like the sound. Just because you don't happen to approve doesn't make it "badly engineered", wrong, inefficient or any of the other derisory comments you have made such as calling the PSE on "fart mode".
I'm sorry, you can argue that you like it (and since it's purely subjective I can't disagree) The fact that it uses fuel to create that effect it is undoubtedly inefficient is also beyond doubt. Whether you think it is a sensible expenditure on petrol is also a completely subjective judgement. Edited by dreamcar on Wednesday 4th March 17:58
The fact that I do or do not like the sound has little to do with the case I am putting forward.
I'm afraid I'll have to stick with "badly engineered". Burning petrol in the exhaust to produce a historic noise is not good engineering! Which is what really gets my goat.
If you like it and it gives you pleasure, fine! Just don't argue it's logical, Captain. (May the farts be with you)
Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 4th March 19:22
corvettedave said:
bcr5784 said:
Yes but you are completely missing the point. It is the pops bangs and farts that we (ie everyone but you) are talking about in Sport mode. Porsche don't quote a separate figure for sport mode. The point I am making is that Porsche go to great lengths to get economy (in normal mode)- and then people press the sport button and throw some of it away.
Now by all means disagree with me - but please keep it civil like everyone else has.
so porsche have given you a button to have that choice, so what are you complaining about? if u don't like it press the button!Now by all means disagree with me - but please keep it civil like everyone else has.
Porsche gives us dr jekill and mr hide car and you complain?
I understand the waste of fuel, but that is it, best sound value for money. Better than having speakers or fake sound.
And bear in mind the fuel burnt comes from normal injectors, i.e. it acts as cooler for engine head. Nothing far from old school tuned cars or current rally cars (which have additional injector in the exhaust)
RBT0 said:
Cmon bcr, are you serious?
Porsche gives us dr jekill and mr hide car and you complain?
I understand the waste of fuel, but that is it, best sound value for money. Better than having speakers or fake sound.
And bear in mind the fuel burnt comes from normal injectors, i.e. it acts as cooler for engine head. Nothing far from old school tuned cars or current rally cars (which have additional injector in the exhaust)
Cmon RBT0 are you serious? I don't think so. If I buy a GTS I am (in effect) paying (over £1K?) for what I consider an abortion - are you surprised I'd resist?Porsche gives us dr jekill and mr hide car and you complain?
I understand the waste of fuel, but that is it, best sound value for money. Better than having speakers or fake sound.
And bear in mind the fuel burnt comes from normal injectors, i.e. it acts as cooler for engine head. Nothing far from old school tuned cars or current rally cars (which have additional injector in the exhaust)
If you like it fine. The argument about cooling is irrelevant. If you needed to cool the head there might be an argument (albeit very thin), but there isn't.
But I'm glad you finally accept that you are burning fuel to produce a historic engine defect.
Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 4th March 19:58
bcr5784 said:
Cmon RBT0 are you serious? I don't think so. If I buy a GTS I am (in effect) paying (over £1K?) for what I consider an abortion - are you surprised I'd resist?
If you like it fine. The argument about cooling is irrelevant. If you needed to cool the head there might be an argument (albeit very thin), but there isn't.
But I'm glad you finally accept that you are burning fuel to produce a historic engine defect.
By your somewhat flawed logic ( you seem to overlook the fact that buying a sports car is an emotional possibly even an irrational decision) you'd better not buy any current Porsche sports car with their thermally inefficient petrol engines. Wait until they introduce a Boxster D - a diesel makes any petrol engine look inefficient and poorly engineered. Oh dear, Porsche have said they will never produce diesel sports cars. better buy a nice Skoda Octavia diesel instead. Very logical purchase.If you like it fine. The argument about cooling is irrelevant. If you needed to cool the head there might be an argument (albeit very thin), but there isn't.
But I'm glad you finally accept that you are burning fuel to produce a historic engine defect.
Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 4th March 19:58
for anyone not to like the pops and bangs, are not true petrol heads, better getting a people carrier too suit sir's taste!, and the whole wasting fuel story, should have purchased a pirus or like, if you added up the amount of fuel wasted in the sport mode, it will be laughable the extra that's wasted
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