Cayman R - owners/buyers/mods
Discussion
philnotts said:
How many Cayman R owners use the R as a daily car? What do you find the advantages and disadvantages to this are?
Also opinions on the rear wiper!?
Cheers,
Phil
I have owned my car for 3 weeks now and used it daily for commute to work. Love it! Handles traffic as easily as it handles fast roads and most people stare admiringly at the car. Not had any negative responses yet. Fuel tank is a bit small, I only seem to get about £50 in it! Suspension is firm but not crashy. I drive over all manner of surfaces on rural A&B roads and it soaks them up well without shaking me about.Also opinions on the rear wiper!?
Cheers,
Phil
Rear wiper..hmm, I am normally in the get rid of it camp for extra weight savings or aesthetics, as I did on my 911, but got to say with the flat plane of the rear screen on these, the water does just sit on it whether rain or morning dew. I let the motion of the car air-dry it off but means your always left with a grubby rear screen that you notice all the time! Think i'll start carrying glass cleaner & cloth about with me. A rear wiper wouldn't have been such a bad thing imo.
philnotts said:
I am still 50/50 on the wiper.
How do you find the harder suspension for a daily on the R?
I find the suspension to be excellent. Yes, it's firm, but it's what I test-drove so it doesn't bother me. I am much more conscious of the quality of the road surface I'm on now but it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the car. If it helps at all, I live near Inverness so I have the full suite of road surfaces from pristine new tarmac to age old single track and nothing feels excessive. The only road I've felt it might be too firm on was the A93 northbound towards Glenshee before it opens out - but then the surface there is atrocious.How do you find the harder suspension for a daily on the R?
For the wiper, I wouldn't let it sway you away from a car with what is otherwise the right spec for you. If all else fails you could surely remove it and seal the opening fairly unobtrusively? Decent spread of rear angles in these photos if it helps at all - Flickr
PorscheGT4 said:
cars need to be buckets and manual then cars can be upto £50k depending on miles.
I have not seen a car sub 20k miles with the main R bits sell for sub 40k !!!
OPC cars are always shifting fast the only 2 manual cars with buckets at an OPC are £45k and £48k
The only other one I can see is 911 Virgin's car also at £45k with correct spec.
no other R's have a good selling spec for todays buyers of that car. which to me means market value is £45k
I would say all 3 of these will sell quite fast.
Big ripples in a small market ! what planet are you on ? it seems you still don't get the R market do you ? or the specs !
I think I get it more than you do old bean its my fecking job! Posting a load of old crap on every topic on here doesnt make you an expert I have not seen a car sub 20k miles with the main R bits sell for sub 40k !!!
OPC cars are always shifting fast the only 2 manual cars with buckets at an OPC are £45k and £48k
The only other one I can see is 911 Virgin's car also at £45k with correct spec.
no other R's have a good selling spec for todays buyers of that car. which to me means market value is £45k
I would say all 3 of these will sell quite fast.
Big ripples in a small market ! what planet are you on ? it seems you still don't get the R market do you ? or the specs !
Edited by PorscheGT4 on Monday 14th September 09:14
The OPC cars arent "the market" the OPC is its own bubble. I'm waiting to see whats happened to that green one. Correct spec, gone of PH 37k I reckon. decent cars at 38k asking price probably attainable at nearer 36k. The private ones that have sold quickly have had the stars line up and been low 40's. these are the cars I've chased and missed so I do know
911V might be able to command a decent premium as a well respected indie but if they have a car at 45k they might have a policy of knocking 2k off the asking price who knows? IMO if you have spent 45k on a Cayman R in the last few months you've paid over the odds. GT4 is none limited and more production announced so we may see more cars coming onto the market as well.
You'll only know when you come to sell. Mine did pretty well
fridaypassion said:
I think I get it more than you do old bean its my fecking job! Posting a load of old crap on every topic on here doesnt make you an expert
The OPC cars arent "the market" the OPC is its own bubble. I'm waiting to see whats happened to that green one. Correct spec, gone of PH 37k I reckon. decent cars at 38k asking price probably attainable at nearer 36k. The private ones that have sold quickly have had the stars line up and been low 40's. these are the cars I've chased and missed so I do know
911V might be able to command a decent premium as a well respected indie but if they have a car at 45k they might have a policy of knocking 2k off the asking price who knows? IMO if you have spent 45k on a Cayman R in the last few months you've paid over the odds. GT4 is none limited and more production announced so we may see more cars coming onto the market as well.
You'll only know when you come to sell. Mine did pretty well
Didn't know you'd bought an R?The OPC cars arent "the market" the OPC is its own bubble. I'm waiting to see whats happened to that green one. Correct spec, gone of PH 37k I reckon. decent cars at 38k asking price probably attainable at nearer 36k. The private ones that have sold quickly have had the stars line up and been low 40's. these are the cars I've chased and missed so I do know
911V might be able to command a decent premium as a well respected indie but if they have a car at 45k they might have a policy of knocking 2k off the asking price who knows? IMO if you have spent 45k on a Cayman R in the last few months you've paid over the odds. GT4 is none limited and more production announced so we may see more cars coming onto the market as well.
You'll only know when you come to sell. Mine did pretty well
He did not buy an R just talks the market down so he can get into one it seems.
As you keep saying it,s your job, it's amusing, but I guess Lotus sales are drying up 2nd hand so you need to talk the Cayman market down to make some money and buy some cheap cars to sell.
911v know the market hence the price of the car, and they sell a few cars week on week you it seems Don,t at all !
OPC is not a bubble market the GT3 in opc hands are in the main the cheapest.
What you do get though is 2 years warranty of which you cannot sell being a 3rd party trader playing at it.
Selling Porsche is no more your job than it is mine, in fact I have prob sold more porkers than you ! And not being a trader can also sell and put a OPC warranty on my car :-p
Fully speced R for £36k lol give over ffs.
Wonder what happened to the 2 nice spec £50k cars which came up and seem to have sold.
As you keep saying it,s your job, it's amusing, but I guess Lotus sales are drying up 2nd hand so you need to talk the Cayman market down to make some money and buy some cheap cars to sell.
911v know the market hence the price of the car, and they sell a few cars week on week you it seems Don,t at all !
OPC is not a bubble market the GT3 in opc hands are in the main the cheapest.
What you do get though is 2 years warranty of which you cannot sell being a 3rd party trader playing at it.
Selling Porsche is no more your job than it is mine, in fact I have prob sold more porkers than you ! And not being a trader can also sell and put a OPC warranty on my car :-p
Fully speced R for £36k lol give over ffs.
Wonder what happened to the 2 nice spec £50k cars which came up and seem to have sold.
Edited by PorscheGT4 on Tuesday 15th September 00:16
Wait for worldwidewebs to post. Full spec 30 odd k on the clock.
As for lotus sales drying up well yes only sold 4 in the last week so it's a struggle
the R's are easy sales it you get them in and out at the right price hence my interest. I have no effect on the market by posting on here it's just my personal opinion. I'm careful where I put my money which worked well for me on the car I chose.I don't really do sale or return so I'm not a speculator. If the time comes when the R is right I'll let you know. Some of these sales where cars appear and disappear could just be speculative. Funny that nobody has posted on here saying they laid out 50k on one. Sometimes people stick adverts up with no intentions of selling just for an ego trip. Who would of thought the Porsche world contained egos?
As for lotus sales drying up well yes only sold 4 in the last week so it's a struggle
the R's are easy sales it you get them in and out at the right price hence my interest. I have no effect on the market by posting on here it's just my personal opinion. I'm careful where I put my money which worked well for me on the car I chose.I don't really do sale or return so I'm not a speculator. If the time comes when the R is right I'll let you know. Some of these sales where cars appear and disappear could just be speculative. Funny that nobody has posted on here saying they laid out 50k on one. Sometimes people stick adverts up with no intentions of selling just for an ego trip. Who would of thought the Porsche world contained egos? Edited by fridaypassion on Tuesday 15th September 09:07
I've been in touch with a few dealers recently about selling my R. It's a good spec car only 'downsides' are 32k miles and comfort seats, it has 1.5 years OPC warranty and is in great condition. Dealers seem to give my car a forecourt value of less than the cheapest private R currently for sale - I've always sold to dealers in the past but I'm going to sell this car privately as some are looking at an 8k markup on what they're offering me for a car that was prepped for sale by Porsche 6 months ago.
PorscheGT4 said:
OPC it seems cannot sell you the larger R exhaust !!! they only sell the S 48MM exhaust not the 55MM R one.
Carnewal can though, very odd.
Carnewal can though, very odd.
C'mon ladies above, stop b
hing and make up… With regards to the PSE, I looked into it for my CR when I bought it from the OPC in Jan of this year. It is fact that Porsche will not sell you a 55mm pipe PSE so only the 48mm is the option as a mod.
I have a friend who works in the parts dept so he looked into it in detail and reckons that the R PSE isn't a 55mm pipe as its a standard PSE at 48mm. The non PSE R exhaust is certainly a 55mm pipe.
He might be wrong here but all the diagrams he showed me at Porsche showed a PSE on the CR with a 48mm pipe. It would be interesting to know if anyone actually knows that their PSE on the their CR is 55m as in, can prove it via a diagram or blurb from Porsche as to the actual size. He took the chassis number of a CR with a PSE and as a scenario the car had a rear end and needed a replacement exhaust, the only PSE he could get for that chassis number was a 48mm pipe PSE. No mention anywhere is a 55mm unit.
Can anyone actually show proof? Would be interesting to see...
Edited by Fokker on Tuesday 15th September 10:00
PorscheGT4 said:
So you are selling 200 cars a year then,I think I'll have to start buying up manual R's as a side line ;-) I'll help you talk them down to £36k
I dont sell 200 a year we have a long winter. About 50 this year on Lotus. We've just had a bit of a run recently. 996GT2 drop me a line. Obviously dealers have to make a margin we are all grown ups and know how the world works. I would like to see a decent margin in a 35-40k car but it would be less than half the numbers you have quoted there. Not many of my Lotus sellers go away without a deal unless they are being totally unrealistic about values. Sometimes people want full retail price from me as a trader which obviously cant work. I'm not spamming the thread but you can pm through my profile.
Depends if you factor in the peace of mind that it will have been inspected and prepared properly and with a good warranty. Its a premium you pay rather than it representing value for money. Its money you will never see back but thats the same with any car from any dealer not unique to Porsche.
philnotts said:
So currently are all the R's for sale at OPC's bad value for money?
I don't think they are that bad value for a well prepped car.The white one posted before was due a major service, wheel refurb required, comfort seats, no Porsche warranty and all in all, sounded a bit scruffy. There was also no mention of what tyres are fitted, could well be cheap / none approved Porsche ones. There is at least a few grand there to sort to bring in up to OPC standard.
Edited by n17ves on Tuesday 15th September 15:34
996GT2 said:
I've been in touch with a few dealers recently about selling my R. It's a good spec car only 'downsides' are 32k miles and comfort seats, it has 1.5 years OPC warranty and is in great condition. Dealers seem to give my car a forecourt value of less than the cheapest private R currently for sale - I've always sold to dealers in the past but I'm going to sell this car privately as some are looking at an 8k markup on what they're offering me for a car that was prepped for sale by Porsche 6 months ago.
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