Cayman R - owners/buyers/mods

Cayman R - owners/buyers/mods

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Fokker

3,460 posts

222 months

Tuesday 15th September 2015
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If you by a CR for between 40 - 45k its a good deal. I think its more important to get the car you want rather than at the price you want. They were about on 60k ish when new so considering the residuals, that fact that someone else has paid the depreciation so far, then you're investing in a great car that'll lose you very little and possibly gain you some over the coming years if you keep it long enough.

Personally i would rather buy from an OPC, I get great service from mine and have built a good relationship generally, been in for various bits on the warranty such as window mechanism that was rattling on both sides due to the hard suspension no doubt. I get a free bottle of water and some mints each time (worth the premium on their own) and I have peace of mind. I'd happily pay an extra 3-4k to buy a R form an OPC.

I terms of values, I doubt that they will climb much, in my opinion they'll stay steady. they are great cars, possibly better drivers cars than most 911's but they just aren't loved as much as 911's which is why I think they'll stay steady as against rise a lot on value. This whole 30k miles thing is because most CR's on sale are mostly sub 30k miles (mines done 13k, bought it at 7k), so a car with over that number will look like a high miler. As they get older then the 30k will become 40k then 50k and so on. Low mile cars in good condition will always command a premium. There is a point that buying a low mile car for a lot more money is doesn't make sense because as soon as you put miles on it, you'll lose a load of money. Theres 996 GT3 in my OPC with 5000 miles for £99k. Others are on the market for £70 - 75l with 20,000 miles. Therefor you buy it, you do 20k mile and you lose £25 - 30,000. False economy unless its for a collection.

Cayman R's are superb cars and the fact that they're rare seals the deal for me but i do know that my next car will be a 911 of the GT brigade, i will be sad to see her go though...

Edited by Fokker on Tuesday 15th September 17:57


Edited by Fokker on Tuesday 15th September 18:31

Beanoir

1,327 posts

195 months

Tuesday 15th September 2015
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Fokker said:
If you by a CR for between 40 - 45k its a good deal. I think its more important to get the car you want rather than at the price you want. They were about on 60k ish when new so considering the residuals, that fact that someone else has paid the depreciation so far, then you're investing in a great car that'll lose you very little and possibly gain you some over the coming years if you keep it long enough.

Personally i would rather buy from an OPC, I get great service from mine and have built a good relationship generally, been in for various bits on the warranty such as window mechanism that was rattling on both sides due to the hard suspension no doubt. I get a free bottle of water and some mints each time (worth the premium on their own) and I have peace of mind. I'd happily pay an extra 3-4k to buy a R form an OPC.

I terms of values, I doubt that they will climb much, in my opinion they'll stay steady. they are great cars, possibly better drivers cars than most 911's but they just aren't loved as much as 911's which is why I think they'll stay steady as against rise a lot on value. This whole 30k miles thing is because most CR's on sale are mostly sub 30k miles (mines done 13k, bought it at 7k), so a car with over that number will look like a high miler. As they get older then the 30k will become 40k then 50k and so on. Low mile cars in good condition will always command a premium. There is a point that buying a low mile car for a lot more money is doesn't make sense because as soon as you put miles on it, you'll lose a load of money. Theres 996 GT3 in my OPC with 5000 miles for £99k. Others are on the market for £70 - 75l with 20,000 miles. Therefor you buy it, you do 20k mile and you lose £25 - 30,000. False economy unless its for a collection.

Cayman R's are superb cars and the fact that they're rare seals the deal for me but i do know that my next car will be a 911 of the GT brigade, i will be sad to see her go though...
Agreed, most sensible thing i've seen posted on here for a while now.



worldwidewebs

2,341 posts

250 months

Tuesday 15th September 2015
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fridaypassion said:
Wait for worldwidewebs to post. Full spec 30 odd k on the clock.
Edited by fridaypassion on Tuesday 15th September 09:07
What have I done now? whistle

philnotts

689 posts

200 months

Tuesday 15th September 2015
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Dan911 said:
philnotts said:
I do quite like the Silver OPC R for sale but very un-sure about spec vs price. Oh and the rear wiper :/ .. As its a daily i dont mind the fact it has the sport seats.
Speak to Gav '996GT2' GR R with sports seats..
Silver or Grey for me, sadly not Red. I am quite keen on the OPC Glasgow R but just cant make my mind up about the price/spec and if the sight of the rear wiper will bug me! :/

Sarnie

8,042 posts

209 months

Tuesday 15th September 2015
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philnotts said:
Dan911 said:
philnotts said:
I do quite like the Silver OPC R for sale but very un-sure about spec vs price. Oh and the rear wiper :/ .. As its a daily i dont mind the fact it has the sport seats.
Speak to Gav '996GT2' GR R with sports seats..
Silver or Grey for me, sadly not Red. I am quite keen on the OPC Glasgow R but just cant make my mind up about the price/spec and if the sight of the rear wiper will bug me! :/
How can the rear wiper bother you that much???

I actually do not even know if mine has one!! laugh

Edited by Sarnie on Tuesday 15th September 23:44

Beanoir

1,327 posts

195 months

Tuesday 15th September 2015
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Its minor and probably not a deal breaker for me if the car was perfect otherwise. having said that, my S had a rear wiper, my R doesn't...I prefer it without but then I only drive it occasionally.

fridaypassion

8,553 posts

228 months

Tuesday 15th September 2015
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worldwidewebs said:
What have I done now? whistle
Go on what did it go for?

itsybitsy

5,201 posts

185 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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But could the gt4 change this perception ?

PorscheGT4

21,146 posts

265 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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Depends, all these people buying cars at big money don't care how they drive, they want oem though and though.

The Cayman is the real sports car, the 911 a 2+2 gt car, I have never got them or like them.

But a fool and his money are easily parted when it comes to brand image.

fridaypassion

8,553 posts

228 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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I've had a lot of comments from none car people "why didnt you buy a 911" of course all the petrolheads know why wink

BubblesNW

1,710 posts

183 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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fridaypassion said:
I've had a lot of comments from none car people "why didnt you buy a 911" of course all the petrolheads know why wink
Maybe you couldn't afford the superior 911 and had to resort to the lowly Coxster biglaugh

PaulD86

1,659 posts

126 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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Just back form holiday and wondered if anyone had seen or bought the Porsche Aberdeen Cayman R that was on sale while I was away. It may not have even made it onto the website as my colleague who told me about it happened to be in when they'd just taken it. He actually test drove it. It was a PDK peridot car with just about every option you could possibly spec, correct seats and wheels, PCM, SS, PSE, red belts etc etc. Apparently it was going to be advertised at £46K with around 11k miles. My work mate text me about it on the day he saw it and then next afternoon when I looked online there was no sign of it so it maybe never reached the site.

MJ911

134 posts

111 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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do you guys think the OPC warranty is really worth having? I took mine in for its free VHC (Vehicle health check) at my local OPC last week and they said it was mint, so quite pleased with that for peace of mind. Even the pads had less than 10% wear and its just had its 4yr service with new plugs, brake fluid etc. So not really sure its worth stumping up a couple of K for the P-warranty. :-/

PorscheGT4

21,146 posts

265 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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I don't rewnew it but have more than 1 car, so it starts to add up over the years.

1 car I would maybe do it, having 2 porkers it does not seem worth the cost PA to keep adding it to both.

philnotts

689 posts

200 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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PaulD86 said:
Just back form holiday and wondered if anyone had seen or bought the Porsche Aberdeen Cayman R that was on sale while I was away. It may not have even made it onto the website as my colleague who told me about it happened to be in when they'd just taken it. He actually test drove it. It was a PDK peridot car with just about every option you could possibly spec, correct seats and wheels, PCM, SS, PSE, red belts etc etc. Apparently it was going to be advertised at £46K with around 11k miles. My work mate text me about it on the day he saw it and then next afternoon when I looked online there was no sign of it so it maybe never reached the site.
This one?

http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/detail...

Beanoir

1,327 posts

195 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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anonymous said:
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So how does that explain the climbing prices of say a 944 Turbo for instance?

Beanoir

1,327 posts

195 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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anonymous said:
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But surely it suggests that other models from Porsche are just as capable of commanding premiums and rising prices in the future for being either appealing driver's cars or more limited models. I don't think it applies only to the 911 personally, more so maybe but not exclusively.

I don't personally expect Cayman R prices to rise really I agreed with the sentiment above, but it's a limited edition model and the market will like it, in fact the current values demonstrate that it already does, the depreciation of an R compared to a similar year S is proof enough.

Beanoir

1,327 posts

195 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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anonymous said:
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A Cayman R isn't mediocre in value though, they're generally retaining around 80% of their value, which compared to other Cayman/Boxsters and most 911 of the same vintage is far better. I think the point Fokker was making (and one that I agreed with him on above) is that they are not likely to climb much but are staying quite steady.

I never said a 944 Turbo was worth the same as a 911 in monetary terms, I merely pointed out that the increase in values of Porsches is not just just a 911 thing. To use your example that 944 Turbo for £26k is far more than it was worth 3 years ago, more than double in fact, so yes not the same price as a 911 of similar vintage, but similar in the fact they are both accreting in value at fair multiples and in percentage terms probably quite similar, it just so happens that a 911 is worth more from day dot than a 944. I've been watching values of 993 C2 over the last few years and needless to say I can't afford one now really, but they haven't more than doubled in the last 3 years just yet.







Beanoir

1,327 posts

195 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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anonymous said:
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Its easy:

1. Current 944 Turbo values proves it's not just 911 that can double in value in a short space of time.

2. the Cayman R is not mediocre in value compared to similar vintage 911.

Conclusion: Therefore, whilst the 911 is all great and king of the roost, it's not to say that other models of Porsche are not also performing very well in terms of value.

No point keep coming and talking the R down in this forum Jock, and we all know you've had a rough ride with your S but the values and interest in the R speak for itself.

Beanoir

1,327 posts

195 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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anonymous said:
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Excellent, i'm not sure you needed to add points 3 and 4 but glad we finally got there on 1 and 2.

GLWS by the way.