Cayman R - owners/buyers/mods

[PorscheGT4]

I will also buy R's at trade price, has to be manual though, none of this dull PDK stuff.

[fridaypassion]

Stop spamming the thread with wanted ads please

[pete a]

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

This was at RSJ for ages and ending up still sitting there at 40k then disappeared and boom here it is at £45 2 weeks later.

[PorscheGT4]

that PDK did not sell at £40k why they think it will sell at £46k is any ones guess.

[pete a]

PorscheGT4 said:

that PDK did not sell at £40k why they think it will sell at £46k is any ones guess.

That's what i thought.

So if RSJ were offering it retail at £40k what do we think an OPC paid for it trade to someone who has watched it sit unsold for months, £35k???

[fridaypassion]

PorscheGT4 said:

that PDK did not sell at £40k why they think it will sell at £46k is any ones guess.

Shiny showroom. Simple as. Easy to get carried away in there!

Are RSJ well regarded? Seems odd they didn't sell it but maybe it was on SOR and the OPC just rang the owner if they knew him and offered to buy in. Its not easy to have all owned stock so I would imagine a big chunk of any Indies stock will be SOR.

I'm liking the one at southern sky I think I missed out there that's pretty much ideal for me. I think we established earlier in the thread that was bought outright?

[Sarnie]

fridaypassion said:

I'm liking the one at southern sky I think I missed out there that's pretty much ideal for me. I think we established earlier in the thread that was bought outright?

Yep, the guy is on here, he had three R's!!

Fizzbomb!

He said he sold it to them for £36k I think he said...

[pete a]

Funny, you claim to know and understand the Porsche market and then ask if RSJ are a respected outfit, fk me I'm clearly in the wrong job.

In fact as someone looking to buy a new car and speaking to dealers selling pork, a lot of them seem to know fk all about them at all, like my conversation with a dealer today who told me his 2002 Carrea had a full history with 8 stamps in the book but no supporting invoices, when I pointed out that two year servicing was introduced for model year 2004 cars he was all , oh yeah I'm getting confused with 997 cars.

In fact if any dealers or OPC's want to employ someone who would actually know about the product give me a call, I'd love a job selling the things I love.

[Sarnie]

Peridot car with PCCB's

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

[fridaypassion]

pete a said:

Funny, you claim to know and understand the Porsche market and then ask if RSJ are a respected outfit, fk me I'm clearly in the wrong job.

In fact as someone looking to buy a new car and speaking to dealers selling pork, a lot of them seem to know fk all about them at all, like my conversation with a dealer today who told me his 2002 Carrea had a full history with 8 stamps in the book but no supporting invoices, when I pointed out that two year servicing was introduced for model year 2004 cars he was all , oh yeah I'm getting confused with 997 cars.

In fact if any dealers or OPC's want to employ someone who would actually know about the product give me a call, I'd love a job selling the things I love.

Well I've been told numerous times on this thread that I dont "get" or "understand" the market yet I pulled the optimistic pricing on about the same week the market realised it. Many cars are sticking now manual and PDK. I've put a wanted ad on PH classifieds and had a couple of dealers offering pretty big discounts from asking prices. So yes I do get it and I do understand it more so than most by the looks of things. Even OPC prices are softening with good spec low mileage cars now about 44 down from high 40s only a couple of months back. I dont need to know the reputation of dealers in the market to make a simple (correct) assessment of the market for one car. It was quite simple and I was right.

If you think you could make it as a car sales pro crack on. Just because a salesman doesnt know every single detail of one particular model you just researched yesterday doesnt make them a bad salesman. Was it a Porsche specialist? or do they have details on 10 makes to keep in their head? My main Lotus business I'm pretty well informed I like to think but I'm often told facts I didnt know by well informed customers. Every days a schoolday and all that. If they tried to BS their way out of it thats a mistake. I personally am always happy to be told something I didnt know about any car. But be sure of one thing car sales is tough. Probably tougher than whatever you do especially at the higher end. Many have tried and failed and very few get a long established business to show for their efforts.

[PorscheGT4]

you think PDK is a good market for the R, it's a dead market, I would not touch a PDK R as a dealer at all.

But that's just me ;-)

but if you look at OPC all the MANAUL cars with buckets sell in a week at top price, one at £45k one at £48k in the last week

NOT sure what cars you are quoting on, as all I see is manual R shifting quite fast bar the one at £50k

The OPC network does NOT even have a manual R with buckets for sale atm.

In fact I can only see 2 Manual R's for sale with bucket seats under 30k miles

one is 911 V car at £44k and the other is the £50k car.

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 23 September 20:06

[fridaypassion]

Hmm the thing you have to bear in mind with the PDK is that the R is a track focused car yes? Is the PDK or manual then more appropriate? Which gives a quicker lap time? The manual is just a fashion at the moment because they are getting phased out blah blah it will pass in time. The split when ordered new was 50/50 so that tells you a lot. Its interesting that the GT4 is manual only I reckon they will introduce PDK when they make their minds up over how many more they are ultimately going to make.

I have to agree that from a business perspective if I was buying a manual would be a safer bet but for me personally I just have no interest in a manual. The PDK is fantastic and I think really well suited to the car. The shift in Sport + is nice and aggressive and then you just float round in auto to drive home. Perfect.

The manual v PDK is one of those things where if you have a manual its best but if you are a PDK owner thats the best. Each to their own and all that.

[pete a]

PorscheGT4 said:

I'm about to sell my Cayman R soon to make room for the GT4 so am going to be singing the praises of all the spec options mine has to convince everyone that's it's the best available car in an effort to get top money for it.

Get used to it for a while across many threads, unless I decide to flip the GT4 in which case all bets are off.

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 23 September 20:06

[Sarnie]

PorscheGT4 said:

But that's just me ;-)[/footnote]

Correct.

There are dozens of people on this very thread announcing their recent PDK purchase. Only a few posts up is someone posting about the Peridot PDK car that their friend bought from an OPC at circa £47k, who wanted a manual but wanted Peridot more......evidencing that in general, PDK/manual doesn't really make much difference, a good high spec and correctly priced car will sell.

You can point to the PDK car that are for sale for ages, but that will more likely to be down to their poor spec, colour or price. I don't think if any of those cars were manual they would have sold.

I think you are confusing your own opinion with everyone elses

[bcr5784]

Sarnie said:

I think you are confusing your own opinion with everyone elses

+1. If perusal of some threads on this site - such as the one on GT4 colours - will convince you of anything, it is that there is a huge diversity of view. I personally find a fair proportion of suggestions as unacceptable and some truly horrendous - but I would be a foolish car manufacturer or car salesman to assume that my view was universally (or even widely) held.

[PorscheGT4]

Look at sales and what been for sale time and time again over the last 2 years, to say other wise make you look a chump ;-)

Manuals sell fast, OPC's have no manual cars for sale with buckets, it's the same story week on week !

It's not fashion, it's what people want and what is selling !!

[PorscheGT4]

fridaypassion said:

Hmm the thing you have to bear in mind with the PDK is that the R is a track focused car yes? Is the PDK or manual then more appropriate? Which gives a quicker lap time? The manual is just a fashion at the moment because they are getting phased out blah blah it will pass in time. The split when ordered new was 50/50 so that tells you a lot. Its interesting that the GT4 is manual only I reckon they will introduce PDK when they make their minds up over how many more they are ultimately going to make.

I have to agree that from a business perspective if I was buying a manual would be a safer bet but for me personally I just have no interest in a manual. The PDK is fantastic and I think really well suited to the car. The shift in Sport + is nice and aggressive and then you just float round in auto to drive home. Perfect.

The manual v PDK is one of those things where if you have a manual its best but if you are a PDK owner thats the best. Each to their own and all that.

It's NOT a track focused car at all, it does not have any adjustment and will kill tyres on track in 4 laps.

buyers are not chasing lap times.

As I have said you don't know the model ;-p

new sales mean squat and are a totally different market, as a dealer you should know that !

[fridaypassion]

Sales when new mean a lot when thats when you are laying down the really big money.

If the R is not track focused why have all the GT3 owners been buying them and creating the bubble in the first place?! I'm sure on one of the many occasions in this thread you have tried to slap me down it was for suggesting that any self respecting Cayman R owner would prefer a Lotus for doing trackdays in.

If you want one as a pure road car it totally reinforces the case for PDK. Lots of completely unnecessary leg wiggling for a road car.

[PorscheGT4]

There is no R bubble, they are for sale £20k less than list, they have just held price the last few years.

People are selling 997gt3 because they are £30k above what people paid for them.

new sales mean squat as people who buy new cars buy he next new thing.

As I have said 20 times you don't get the market if you think PDK is he one to go for on a 4 year old car.

OPC show this as do all the PDK cars coming for sale.

Yes you will see a few manual R come up for sale as a lot of owners are getting manual GT4 to replace it.

One is £40k one is £80k

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 23 September 21:41

[996GT2]

Mine's up for sale now, just put the advert on here:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...


Will let you know how it goes....