Cayman R - owners/buyers/mods
Discussion
I have the sport auto Cayman GT4 numbers here and I have to say that the Cayman R is still very, very competitive compared to the GT4. Much more so than I expected.
Comparing the CR (PDK) and GT4 (manual) supertests, the CR is 0.1 slower to 100 km/h and the GT4 is clearly faster beyond that. But in terms of stopping power and handling it doesn't seem like there's that much of a difference.
For example the heavier PDK Cayman R on standard steel brakes and Bridgestone Potenza RE050A tyres has almost identical braking performance as the GT4 with the positively huge 410mm PCCBs and wider MPSC2s.
CR / GT4
from 100 km/h (cold): 34,3 m / 35,2 m
from 100 km/h (warm): 34,6 m / 32,9 m
from 200 km/h (warm): 134,2 m / 129,8 m
and the (heavier) PDK CR did the 36m slalom with 137 km/h while the GT4 did it with 142 km/h. I suspect once you put the CR on up to date tyres the difference will be <2 km/h.
For those who are able to look beyond the the pub-bragging factor (GT3 parts, C2S engine), IMO the CR with mods, geo and MPSC2 is infinitely better value than the GT4. Which is remarkable because the GT4 is pretty good value by itself.
Comparing the CR (PDK) and GT4 (manual) supertests, the CR is 0.1 slower to 100 km/h and the GT4 is clearly faster beyond that. But in terms of stopping power and handling it doesn't seem like there's that much of a difference.
For example the heavier PDK Cayman R on standard steel brakes and Bridgestone Potenza RE050A tyres has almost identical braking performance as the GT4 with the positively huge 410mm PCCBs and wider MPSC2s.
CR / GT4
from 100 km/h (cold): 34,3 m / 35,2 m
from 100 km/h (warm): 34,6 m / 32,9 m
from 200 km/h (warm): 134,2 m / 129,8 m
and the (heavier) PDK CR did the 36m slalom with 137 km/h while the GT4 did it with 142 km/h. I suspect once you put the CR on up to date tyres the difference will be <2 km/h.
For those who are able to look beyond the the pub-bragging factor (GT3 parts, C2S engine), IMO the CR with mods, geo and MPSC2 is infinitely better value than the GT4. Which is remarkable because the GT4 is pretty good value by itself.
I have to say in real world performance the Cayman R is well ahead of my old Cayman S, far more than I expected it be.
The actual differences between the 2 cars on paper seems fairly small so i'm not entirely sure what it is that makes the R stand out so much, I wish I could pinpoint it.
As for the GT4 though, I suspect that numbers on paper again won't paint the full story, even the ability to customize the suspension and ARB settings brings an interesting angle on the ability to make the car perform on different surfaces and on track I expect it will be a weapon and quite a way ahead of a standard R even on PSS or Cup2.
The actual differences between the 2 cars on paper seems fairly small so i'm not entirely sure what it is that makes the R stand out so much, I wish I could pinpoint it.
As for the GT4 though, I suspect that numbers on paper again won't paint the full story, even the ability to customize the suspension and ARB settings brings an interesting angle on the ability to make the car perform on different surfaces and on track I expect it will be a weapon and quite a way ahead of a standard R even on PSS or Cup2.
EricE said:
I have the sport auto Cayman GT4 numbers here and I have to say that the Cayman R is still very, very competitive compared to the GT4. Much more so than I expected.
Comparing the CR (PDK) and GT4 (manual) supertests, the CR is 0.1 slower to 100 km/h and the GT4 is clearly faster beyond that. But in terms of stopping power and handling it doesn't seem like there's that much of a difference.
For example the heavier PDK Cayman R on standard steel brakes and Bridgestone Potenza RE050A tyres has almost identical braking performance as the GT4 with the positively huge 410mm PCCBs and wider MPSC2s.
CR / GT4
from 100 km/h (cold): 34,3 m / 35,2 m
from 100 km/h (warm): 34,6 m / 32,9 m
from 200 km/h (warm): 134,2 m / 129,8 m
and the (heavier) PDK CR did the 36m slalom with 137 km/h while the GT4 did it with 142 km/h. I suspect once you put the CR on up to date tyres the difference will be <2 km/h.
For those who are able to look beyond the the pub-bragging factor (GT3 parts, C2S engine), IMO the CR with mods, geo and MPSC2 is infinitely better value than the GT4. Which is remarkable because the GT4 is pretty good value by itself.
Interesting.Comparing the CR (PDK) and GT4 (manual) supertests, the CR is 0.1 slower to 100 km/h and the GT4 is clearly faster beyond that. But in terms of stopping power and handling it doesn't seem like there's that much of a difference.
For example the heavier PDK Cayman R on standard steel brakes and Bridgestone Potenza RE050A tyres has almost identical braking performance as the GT4 with the positively huge 410mm PCCBs and wider MPSC2s.
CR / GT4
from 100 km/h (cold): 34,3 m / 35,2 m
from 100 km/h (warm): 34,6 m / 32,9 m
from 200 km/h (warm): 134,2 m / 129,8 m
and the (heavier) PDK CR did the 36m slalom with 137 km/h while the GT4 did it with 142 km/h. I suspect once you put the CR on up to date tyres the difference will be <2 km/h.
For those who are able to look beyond the the pub-bragging factor (GT3 parts, C2S engine), IMO the CR with mods, geo and MPSC2 is infinitely better value than the GT4. Which is remarkable because the GT4 is pretty good value by itself.
Why would they test the PDK CR against the GT4 though!? Why not test the manual against manual. Makes much more sense surely.
Beanoir said:
Time for some light hearted posting on this thread.
These were my driving buddies on Saturday for the breakfast meet at DKE.
and Sunday was the Boxa.net meet, so some more Pork for company...
Where are all these Porsche meets organised?These were my driving buddies on Saturday for the breakfast meet at DKE.
and Sunday was the Boxa.net meet, so some more Pork for company...
I would like to start attending a few.
On another note. I'd like some opinions on my recent experience with an OPC.
Basically my newly purchased CR had a tiny issue with the fuel gauge. When the tank is full the gauge reads one mark below full. I knew this before I bought it, and confirmed with Porsche it would be covered under warranty.
Once the car was in my hands it took it to my local OPC to have it sorted out. Originally thinking it would only be a couple of days at the most (going off what another OPC told me). The car has now been with them for 4 weeks (on Saturday).
They've had lots of components apart and tested and were still stumped as to why the issue was still occurring. They had to send some log files and data back to the factory in Germany for advice.
Now whilst I'm happy my car is being fixed free of charge to me under the warranty I'm still a little bit upset that I've been without my car for 4 out of the 5 weeks I've owned it.
So this morning I asked the Service Advisor to speak to the manager or to Porsche GB, to get me some kind of good will token. Like my next service free.
I don't think this is unreasonable do you? Considering it's been an entire month of insurance and road tax I've wasted. I also wasn't given the option of a hire car as it was booked in for a week originally (more than their three day policy)
Let me know what you all think.
Basically my newly purchased CR had a tiny issue with the fuel gauge. When the tank is full the gauge reads one mark below full. I knew this before I bought it, and confirmed with Porsche it would be covered under warranty.
Once the car was in my hands it took it to my local OPC to have it sorted out. Originally thinking it would only be a couple of days at the most (going off what another OPC told me). The car has now been with them for 4 weeks (on Saturday).
They've had lots of components apart and tested and were still stumped as to why the issue was still occurring. They had to send some log files and data back to the factory in Germany for advice.
Now whilst I'm happy my car is being fixed free of charge to me under the warranty I'm still a little bit upset that I've been without my car for 4 out of the 5 weeks I've owned it.
So this morning I asked the Service Advisor to speak to the manager or to Porsche GB, to get me some kind of good will token. Like my next service free.
I don't think this is unreasonable do you? Considering it's been an entire month of insurance and road tax I've wasted. I also wasn't given the option of a hire car as it was booked in for a week originally (more than their three day policy)
Let me know what you all think.
PorscheGT4 said:
edc said:
In fairness the gearshift feel/quality is a bit wooly and vague with a knackered front engine mount. When I replaced the tired mount with a standard new one the improved accuracy and better feel from the stick was quite noticeable.
ignore cmoose he seems have no clue what so ever on anything I am finding, not even sure why is he on a R thread, he got told to p
s off the last one.Every thread is now a barrage of bulls
t, and Cmoose has to have the last word, it's ruining the forum, he prob does not have a single mod on his car either.Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 15th April 22:59
Your post could have read like this.
I don't know what mods CMoose has done but I have experience of the semi solid transmission mounts (or whatever mods you are talking about) and I've noticed a marked improvement in gearshift feel following the change.
In my example, you've made your point and not offended anybody in the process. Saying "I'm not afraid of expressing my opinions" but then either insulting people or being overly aggressive in your posts is a very distasteful bullying tactic and it's for this reason that you irritate people not because of your actual view or experience.
I only seem to get on your and cmoose nerves on here. the rest of us are driving and modding too much to care.
I could say why fuel the fire with that pointless post ?
in 2014 I took a lot of st and sat back, in 2015 people need to put up or shut up;-)
why would I want to say what I feel to cmoose when I have all the gear and no idea, he is a bit of a cock I find now ?
I do await to see his current list of Cayman mods though, as he is neither a R owner or buyer, he must be posting because he has a lot to give us all with his mods !
I was ok with him till he decided to call me out saying all the gear, bling mods etc etc, imo he should f4ck off and other have also said this. atm he brings NOTHING to the party.
I could say why fuel the fire with that pointless post ?
in 2014 I took a lot of s
t and sat back, in 2015 people need to put up or shut up;-)why would I want to say what I feel to cmoose when I have all the gear and no idea, he is a bit of a cock I find now ?
I do await to see his current list of Cayman mods though, as he is neither a R owner or buyer, he must be posting because he has a lot to give us all with his mods !
I was ok with him till he decided to call me out saying all the gear, bling mods etc etc, imo he should f4ck off and other have also said this. atm he brings NOTHING to the party.
Edited by PorscheGT4 on Thursday 16th April 20:02
anonymous said:
[redacted]
list your current Cayman mods then we are all waiting ? all us muppets !If you won't do a Sprint day vs me, lets at least see what current mods you have on your gen 1.
as for the
why post that, it's not a joke, you mean every thing you post.f4cking keyboard warriors don't even own one.
Edited by PorscheGT4 on Thursday 16th April 20:59
PorscheGT4 said:
I only seem to get on your and cmoose nerves on here. the rest of us are driving and modding too much to care.
I could say why fuel the fire with that pointless post ?
in 2014 I took a lot of st and sat back, in 2015 people need to put up or shut up;-)
why would I want to say what I feel to cmoose when I have all the gear and no idea, he is a bit of a cock I find now ?
I do await to see his current list of Cayman mods though, as he is neither a R owner or buyer, he must be posting because he has a lot to give us all with his mods !
I was ok with him till he decided to call me out saying all the gear, bling mods etc etc, imo he should f4ck off and other have also said this. atm he brings NOTHING to the party.
No - I think you managed to irritate Jackwood on the GT4 thread just today, so it's not just me and moose that you annoy. I'm only irritated by your general rudeness, the rest of your contributions I take at face value, some are useful, some are not and some are frankly bizarre. Personally, I don't understand why you decided to attack me on the other thread - that was more than just a bit weird and Christ knows why you involved me in "Pistons at dawn" post (misspelling intended).I could say why fuel the fire with that pointless post ?
in 2014 I took a lot of s
t and sat back, in 2015 people need to put up or shut up;-)why would I want to say what I feel to cmoose when I have all the gear and no idea, he is a bit of a cock I find now ?
I do await to see his current list of Cayman mods though, as he is neither a R owner or buyer, he must be posting because he has a lot to give us all with his mods !
I was ok with him till he decided to call me out saying all the gear, bling mods etc etc, imo he should f4ck off and other have also said this. atm he brings NOTHING to the party.
Edited by PorscheGT4 on Thursday 16th April 20:02
The oddest thing though is that you criticised me for wanting to upgrade my shocks. I know your preferred route is LCA monoball and toe links, and I know you paid for a high end geo. I know who did that geo and he's a well-respected suspension guru who did that work. Guess who I asked about modding my R's suspension? And guess what his recommendation was? Yes that's right it's the same chap that did your geo. I asked him an open question about what to do to get the feel I wanted and listened to his recommendation. Now I ask you. If a recognised suspension engineer made a recommendation that went against what somebody you've never met before or even knew on the Internet said, whose advice would you follow?
You keep banging on about a remap without doing the manifolds and you're absolutely correct, the most gains are to had by doing a full exhaust change and a remap and if you want to go the whole hog, do what axel 987 is doing. However, you completely miss the fact that a basic tune is a remap and filter and again, this is what a recognised Porsche tuner recommended. It's called a stage one tune for a reason, you can add to it at a later stage. I don't understand why you find it so difficult to grasp this concept. Finally, there's no need to swear to express yourself, why do you find it so hard to be polite? You can get all of your points across without offending anybody. Look at Fiorano's post on filters, he could have said "your're a feckless twit who knows nothing" as his opening gambit and then gone on to say paper filters are best but he eloquently described his view and posted actual evidence to back up his statements - you could do that too but you choose to insult instead. However, if you took the time to back up your statements with fact rather than anecdotal information (or disinformation) and refrained from insulting those with a different view, then your posts could be genuinely helpful.
What's the general consensus on manifolds for these cars. I have PSE and whilst it sounds fabulous, those bangs on the overrun would be awesome if they were less restricted. I know most cars rev a lot more cleanly when you have 200cell cats opposed to the 400 oem items. My JCW R53 mini certainly did!
Even though I have about 20 months warranty left, I might just take the plunge this autumn. These PS2 are almost done as well and I need some super sport goodness in my life. All this N spec for warranty does my head in.
Even though I have about 20 months warranty left, I might just take the plunge this autumn. These PS2 are almost done as well and I need some super sport goodness in my life. All this N spec for warranty does my head in.
jayxx83 said:
What's the general consensus on manifolds for these cars. I have PSE and whilst it sounds fabulous, those bangs on the overrun would be awesome if they were less restricted. I know most cars rev a lot more cleanly when you have 200cell cats opposed to the 400 oem items. My JCW R53 mini certainly did!
Even though I have about 20 months warranty left, I might just take the plunge this autumn. These PS2 are almost done as well and I need some super sport goodness in my life. All this N spec for warranty does my head in.
Good mod when combined with a remap, probably, the most BHP gains per £ spent.Even though I have about 20 months warranty left, I might just take the plunge this autumn. These PS2 are almost done as well and I need some super sport goodness in my life. All this N spec for warranty does my head in.
J-P said:
No - I think you managed to irritate Jackwood on the GT4 thread just today, so it's not just me and moose that you annoy. I'm only irritated by your general rudeness, the rest of your contributions I take at face value, some are useful, some are not and some are frankly bizarre. Personally, I don't understand why you decided to attack me on the other thread - that was more than just a bit weird and Christ knows why you involved me in "Pistons at dawn" post (misspelling intended).
The oddest thing though is that you criticised me for wanting to upgrade my shocks. I know your preferred route is LCA monoball and toe links, and I know you paid for a high end geo. I know who did that geo and he's a well-respected suspension guru who did that work. Guess who I asked about modding my R's suspension? And guess what his recommendation was? Yes that's right it's the same chap that did your geo. I asked him an open question about what to do to get the feel I wanted and listened to his recommendation. Now I ask you. If a recognised suspension engineer made a recommendation that went against what somebody you've never met before or even knew on the Internet said, whose advice would you follow?
You keep banging on about a remap without doing the manifolds and you're absolutely correct, the most gains are to had by doing a full exhaust change and a remap and if you want to go the whole hog, do what axel 987 is doing. However, you completely miss the fact that a basic tune is a remap and filter and again, this is what a recognised Porsche tuner recommended. It's called a stage one tune for a reason, you can add to it at a later stage. I don't understand why you find it so difficult to grasp this concept. Finally, there's no need to swear to express yourself, why do you find it so hard to be polite? You can get all of your points across without offending anybody. Look at Fiorano's post on filters, he could have said "your're a feckless twit who knows nothing" as his opening gambit and then gone on to say paper filters are best but he eloquently described his view and posted actual evidence to back up his statements - you could do that too but you choose to insult instead. However, if you took the time to back up your statements with fact rather than anecdotal information (or disinformation) and refrained from insulting those with a different view, then your posts could be genuinely helpful.
I did not criticised you for wanting to upgrade your shocks, I said I think 10k on shocks is a bit crazy if you cannot even adjust your camber !The oddest thing though is that you criticised me for wanting to upgrade my shocks. I know your preferred route is LCA monoball and toe links, and I know you paid for a high end geo. I know who did that geo and he's a well-respected suspension guru who did that work. Guess who I asked about modding my R's suspension? And guess what his recommendation was? Yes that's right it's the same chap that did your geo. I asked him an open question about what to do to get the feel I wanted and listened to his recommendation. Now I ask you. If a recognised suspension engineer made a recommendation that went against what somebody you've never met before or even knew on the Internet said, whose advice would you follow?
You keep banging on about a remap without doing the manifolds and you're absolutely correct, the most gains are to had by doing a full exhaust change and a remap and if you want to go the whole hog, do what axel 987 is doing. However, you completely miss the fact that a basic tune is a remap and filter and again, this is what a recognised Porsche tuner recommended. It's called a stage one tune for a reason, you can add to it at a later stage. I don't understand why you find it so difficult to grasp this concept. Finally, there's no need to swear to express yourself, why do you find it so hard to be polite? You can get all of your points across without offending anybody. Look at Fiorano's post on filters, he could have said "your're a feckless twit who knows nothing" as his opening gambit and then gone on to say paper filters are best but he eloquently described his view and posted actual evidence to back up his statements - you could do that too but you choose to insult instead. However, if you took the time to back up your statements with fact rather than anecdotal information (or disinformation) and refrained from insulting those with a different view, then your posts could be genuinely helpful.
I also said why not look at a 5K set of JRZ shocks and spend the rest on adjustable LCA and the like.
I asked Chris to do my geo for me, it's not that hard to grasp or high end, it's just a geo set up I asked Chris to do for me as he is local to where I live ! I don't follow any one, I do what I think right for my needs.
who is a UK recognised Porsche Cayman gen 2 tuner anyhow ? no one in the UK is doing real Cayman tuning imo, it's all bought in tried and tested stuff from years ago.
you do your mods, I'll do mind, good luck with it. you are happy, I am happy, you want a remap, EBC pads and a MC, I want 360bhp and >300 lb/ft with some 6 pots in a 1250kg package.
So if you want to quote me, quote the full story !
don't even get me started why you stated you wanted a remap.
Oh for gods sake chaps,
I'm quite sure if we all went on a euro tour such as a Petrolhead nirvana trip you would all be mates at the end.
Porsche GT4 your a nuisance on GT 3 threads and CMoose your a pain on Cayman R threads.
I'm sure I'm a pain on lots of threads, but hey , I don't care.
I'm on the Alpine Assault if you want to hit me on the chin though......
I'm quite sure if we all went on a euro tour such as a Petrolhead nirvana trip you would all be mates at the end.
Porsche GT4 your a nuisance on GT 3 threads and CMoose your a pain on Cayman R threads.
I'm sure I'm a pain on lots of threads, but hey , I don't care.
I'm on the Alpine Assault if you want to hit me on the chin though......
PorscheGT4 said:
J-P said:
No - I think you managed to irritate Jackwood on the GT4 thread just today, so it's not just me and moose that you annoy. I'm only irritated by your general rudeness, the rest of your contributions I take at face value, some are useful, some are not and some are frankly bizarre. Personally, I don't understand why you decided to attack me on the other thread - that was more than just a bit weird and Christ knows why you involved me in "Pistons at dawn" post (misspelling intended).
The oddest thing though is that you criticised me for wanting to upgrade my shocks. I know your preferred route is LCA monoball and toe links, and I know you paid for a high end geo. I know who did that geo and he's a well-respected suspension guru who did that work. Guess who I asked about modding my R's suspension? And guess what his recommendation was? Yes that's right it's the same chap that did your geo. I asked him an open question about what to do to get the feel I wanted and listened to his recommendation. Now I ask you. If a recognised suspension engineer made a recommendation that went against what somebody you've never met before or even knew on the Internet said, whose advice would you follow?
You keep banging on about a remap without doing the manifolds and you're absolutely correct, the most gains are to had by doing a full exhaust change and a remap and if you want to go the whole hog, do what axel 987 is doing. However, you completely miss the fact that a basic tune is a remap and filter and again, this is what a recognised Porsche tuner recommended. It's called a stage one tune for a reason, you can add to it at a later stage. I don't understand why you find it so difficult to grasp this concept. Finally, there's no need to swear to express yourself, why do you find it so hard to be polite? You can get all of your points across without offending anybody. Look at Fiorano's post on filters, he could have said "your're a feckless twit who knows nothing" as his opening gambit and then gone on to say paper filters are best but he eloquently described his view and posted actual evidence to back up his statements - you could do that too but you choose to insult instead. However, if you took the time to back up your statements with fact rather than anecdotal information (or disinformation) and refrained from insulting those with a different view, then your posts could be genuinely helpful.
I did not criticised you for wanting to upgrade your shocks, I said I think 10k on shocks is a bit crazy if you cannot even adjust your camber !The oddest thing though is that you criticised me for wanting to upgrade my shocks. I know your preferred route is LCA monoball and toe links, and I know you paid for a high end geo. I know who did that geo and he's a well-respected suspension guru who did that work. Guess who I asked about modding my R's suspension? And guess what his recommendation was? Yes that's right it's the same chap that did your geo. I asked him an open question about what to do to get the feel I wanted and listened to his recommendation. Now I ask you. If a recognised suspension engineer made a recommendation that went against what somebody you've never met before or even knew on the Internet said, whose advice would you follow?
You keep banging on about a remap without doing the manifolds and you're absolutely correct, the most gains are to had by doing a full exhaust change and a remap and if you want to go the whole hog, do what axel 987 is doing. However, you completely miss the fact that a basic tune is a remap and filter and again, this is what a recognised Porsche tuner recommended. It's called a stage one tune for a reason, you can add to it at a later stage. I don't understand why you find it so difficult to grasp this concept. Finally, there's no need to swear to express yourself, why do you find it so hard to be polite? You can get all of your points across without offending anybody. Look at Fiorano's post on filters, he could have said "your're a feckless twit who knows nothing" as his opening gambit and then gone on to say paper filters are best but he eloquently described his view and posted actual evidence to back up his statements - you could do that too but you choose to insult instead. However, if you took the time to back up your statements with fact rather than anecdotal information (or disinformation) and refrained from insulting those with a different view, then your posts could be genuinely helpful.
I also said why not look at a 5K set of JRZ shocks and spend the rest on adjustable LCA and the like.
I asked Chris to do my geo for me, it's not that hard to grasp or high end, it's just a geo set up I asked Chris to do for me as he is local to where I live ! I don't follow any one, I do what I think right for my needs.
who is a UK recognised Porsche Cayman gen 2 tuner anyhow ? no one in the UK is doing real Cayman tuning imo, it's all bought in tried and tested stuff from years ago.
you do your mods, I'll do mind, good luck with it. you are happy, I am happy, you want a remap, EBC pads and a MC, I want 360bhp and >300 lb/ft with some 6 pots in a 1250kg package.
So if you want to quote me, quote the full story !
don't even get me started why you stated you wanted a remap.
And I don't want to quote you at all, I'm just pointing out what you said. You took a lot of grief in 2014 for a reason, learn from it and post appropriately. I'm all for opposing views, there's just no need to be so condescending, rude or aggressive. We're all Porsche enthusiasts at the end of the day, let's celebrate that.
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