Cayman R - owners/buyers/mods

[J-P]

How much are front spacers and is the turn-in noticeably improved afterwards? I find the car likes to push on in hairpins, so better, sharper turn-in might help with this?

[Axel987]

PorscheGT4 said:

Roadrunner996 said:

Hi All,

I picked up my CR last Friday. One question regarding tyres. The car has the original (?) Eagle F1's , are the MPSS the way to go for road use and the odd track day ? I want to be able to drive in the wet......

I run PSS they are the best road tyre imo, non N spec though, if that's an issue for you.

Cup 2`s are a generation newer in tech, 180 TW now too, will happily last 8-10.000 miles.

[edc]

J-P said:

How much are front spacers and is the turn-in noticeably improved afterwards? I find the car likes to push on in hairpins, so better, sharper turn-in might help with this?

If you are washing out on hairpins then more front camber and/or adjustment to driving style.

[Dan911]

Axel987 said:

Might hit me up with an offer

Email sent.. (You can have my tips back standard tips in chrome if you want to keep the exhaust complete)

[J-P]

edc said:

J-P said:

How much are front spacers and is the turn-in noticeably improved afterwards? I find the car likes to push on in hairpins, so better, sharper turn-in might help with this?

If you are washing out on hairpins then more front camber and/or adjustment to driving style.

Agree - I'll do the RSS mods when I have the £3k or so I need, but I do find it a little slow on initial turn-in.

[Dan911]

PorscheGT4 said:

http://www.evoms.com/Porsche_Cayman_987_Performanc...

Thanks. Can I ask if its hard to fit (so I can remove come service time for warranty) and also does the kit add induction noise?

[Dan911]

I have a set of 5mm spacers I might put on the front... With 5mm will I need longer bolts?

[Beanoir]

anonymous said:

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The Cayman S was more neutral than the R out of the box with both at factory geo settings. Spacers and camber bring back an element of the neutral/slight rear bias.

[edc]

J-P said:

Agree - I'll do the RSS mods when I have the £3k or so I need, but I do find it a little slow on initial turn-in.

I know you probably have an aversion to this but consider the top mount slot drill mod. Of course I don't have as much invested in an R but I have done this to both my Boxsters to good effect and it has cost nothing. It sounds drastic but it's as good as invisible, after all you are talking a mere 5mm or so.

[J-P]

edc said:

J-P said:

Agree - I'll do the RSS mods when I have the £3k or so I need, but I do find it a little slow on initial turn-in.

I know you probably have an aversion to this but consider the top mount slot drill mod. Of course I don't have as much invested in an R but I have done this to both my Boxsters to good effect and it has cost nothing. It sounds drastic but it's as good as invisible, after all you are talking a mere 5mm or so.

No I don't want to do this. I'd rather spend the cash and have something that's going to improve feel as well as response (and look pretty cool to boot).

[PorscheGT4]

anonymous said:

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Buy a 911 please, why try and make a Cayman drive like a 911 ?

I hate understeer, I do every thing to rid the car of it. If you have to brake you are going slower, as for managing oversteer in a Cayman on throttle, did. not know you had 500bhp.

Also not sure how 17 wheels would make the car more rear bias unless you put 245's on the rear.

[edc]

J-P said:

edc said:

J-P said:

Agree - I'll do the RSS mods when I have the £3k or so I need, but I do find it a little slow on initial turn-in.

I know you probably have an aversion to this but consider the top mount slot drill mod. Of course I don't have as much invested in an R but I have done this to both my Boxsters to good effect and it has cost nothing. It sounds drastic but it's as good as invisible, after all you are talking a mere 5mm or so.

No I don't want to do this. I'd rather spend the cash and have something that's going to improve feel as well as response (and look pretty cool to boot).

Earlier on you wrote about understeer in hairpins. This will give you a quick, cheap and easy way to deliver more negative camber and try a different set up out before chucking a load of money at the car. I know the looking cool remark is tongue in cheek but you are never going to see these parts in the main and they will get dirty just like anything else. I have some adjustable rear toe links on my car and in the main I forget they are there until I come to clean underneath or do some work and then I think 'forgot I had those, they look cool!'

Edit - I suggest this because I have seen your posts and you take a quite deliberate approach to your mods. Bit by bit and slowly rather than throwing the kitchen sink at it. This mod doesn't have to be the end goal but it helps you get a feel for a different set up before spending any big money.

Edited by edc on Friday 26th June 10:16

[PorscheGT4]

agree great way to give you a more focus road set up.

I went for full RSS arms though as you get 28mm wider front track, the cars rake is better and you can set up the caster perfect.

Top mounts give caster issues and bump steer issues, so a bit of a crap way of doing it.

But as I said ok to get -1.5 on a road car cheap and will make it much better. just NOT the right way to do it.

My car with 28mm extra front track (with out spacers), -2 camber with CUP's 2 feels great esp with the stiffer rear ARB and a tad of rake front to rear so a bit more weight up front.
Added to which mono ball rear toe links and better engine mounts. mega drive by all accounts.

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Friday 26th June 10:22

[edc]

How are you achieving different or adjustable rake?

Different car but I fitted a tiptronic M030 kit to my old manual Boxster which has stiffer rear springs. This had the additional benefit of increasing the rake too. It felt great. It was difficult to quantify at the time but now I have another Boxster with the manual M030 kit and it feels different, not as good as my old car. Ok this suspension has more miles under it's belt but the fundamental set up of the cars is basically the same bar the rake and I can see now that it made a much bigger contribution than I might have realised.

[PorscheGT4]

net result of putting RSS arms on and fitting shims to get the camber I wanted, it lowers the front of the car when you pull the bottom of the wheel out.

did not think about this but net result is great. then the RSS arms have the caster adjustment.

RSS arms are like a 5 way win, but people just see them as camber adjustment. esp as caster is always out oem, and no adjustment very easy.

1: camber
2: rake
3: solid bushings
4: wider track.
5: Caster adjustment.

[edc]

[Roadrunner996]

Sarnie said:

Pics please!!!

Parked up after the test drive. The twisty section on the test route sold it to me

[Sarnie]

Lovely!!

[Axel987]

The rear angle on that picture is the only angle on the Cayman I dont like. Looks unfinished and incomplete compared to the fat arse of a 911. Much better car though

[J-P]

edc said:

J-P said:

edc said:

J-P said:

Agree - I'll do the RSS mods when I have the £3k or so I need, but I do find it a little slow on initial turn-in.

I know you probably have an aversion to this but consider the top mount slot drill mod. Of course I don't have as much invested in an R but I have done this to both my Boxsters to good effect and it has cost nothing. It sounds drastic but it's as good as invisible, after all you are talking a mere 5mm or so.

No I don't want to do this. I'd rather spend the cash and have something that's going to improve feel as well as response (and look pretty cool to boot).

Earlier on you wrote about understeer in hairpins. This will give you a quick, cheap and easy way to deliver more negative camber and try a different set up out before chucking a load of money at the car. I know the looking cool remark is tongue in cheek but you are never going to see these parts in the main and they will get dirty just like anything else. I have some adjustable rear toe links on my car and in the main I forget they are there until I come to clean underneath or do some work and then I think 'forgot I had those, they look cool!'

Edit - I suggest this because I have seen your posts and you take a quite deliberate approach to your mods. Bit by bit and slowly rather than throwing the kitchen sink at it. This mod doesn't have to be the end goal but it helps you get a feel for a different set up before spending any big money.

Edited by edc on Friday 26th June 10:16

I really appreciate this post - you're right. I like to do a mod, see how I go, then add a bit more. So far it has meant developing a far greater appreciation of the car, both as a stock item and post mods. Basically, I don't want to ruin my car, so whilst I'm happy to hone it and gradually make it better, I want to be able to revert back to standard, if the mod ruins the overall package. I think next up for me will be better engine and transmission mounts (although I'm worried about excessive NVH), still I've been assured that these new mounts will not totally screw the NVH.